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Bertramp posted 07-27-2001 01:50 PM ET (US)   Profile for Bertramp   Send Email to Bertramp  
anyone know anything about them ?
when made .....
good, bad or indifferent to sail .....
Bigshot posted 07-27-2001 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Had one, my 1st boat. Made from early 60's until 1979,80 I believe. Has the same rig (Latine?)as a sunfish. retractable keel and by far one of the WORST sailing boats I ever sailed. I think it is just too short. Most sailing prams are not good sailers. But I learned a lot from that boat and if you can sail that, you can kick butt on a sunfish. If for your kids, great way to start them out. At 6 or 7 my parents gave me one w/oars. Next year or 2 sails, then a used 4hp Merc and I drove that thing everywhere(at 8mph) and had a blast until I was 12. Good Luck!
Bertramp posted 07-27-2001 02:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bertramp  Send Email to Bertramp     
it is for my son 11 to play around on.
he also runs an 10' achilles with an 8hp.
a 13 is in his near future.
thanks for the reply
bigz posted 07-30-2001 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Would make a great sailing boat for an 11 year old.

A little more information on them if your interested --- the 9'2" Squall was built from 1965-79 and again from 1983-85 they were originally designed by Howard Chapelle, these do make for fun little boats, they sail pretty well and dry, though a bit on a heavy side, also tow at speed very well, the sail rigs were a modified Lateen in the later models and a "Sunfish" style Lateen using the "shower rod" rings for attachment in the early models, the sail area on the early Squall was 67 sq. ft (Sunfish carry a 75 sq. ft sail) had a big S on the sail--- The later 80's models had a telescoping sprit, the upper slid down on the lower and the sail was fastened to the upper with "sock" slides and the lower part was attached with a luff rope through grommets. The mast boom,and the sprit could be stowed inboard with the sail wrapped around them when trailering or towing -- also the top of the mast was foam filled making it more difficult to turn turtle (early ones had a capped mast so water couldn't enter) this group had an inverted "V" on the sail which had been reduced to 57 sq. ft. The hardware and fittings rudder, cb, etc. were all top grade.

Recommended was a 3 hp but a 5 to even a 10 could be used at reduced throttle --- she could handle the weight but not the power --- chuckle

Bigshot posted 07-30-2001 02:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
My squall was maxed at 5hp. To be honest if he has a 10' with an 8hp he will not want that squall. They do not plane unless overpowered and then are very unstable(like a bathtub). I would wait a year and go with the 13 or an 11.
bigz posted 07-30-2001 02:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Who cares BigS, that wasn't part of the question now was it. -- Anyway read! He is interested in the sailing aspect since the his son already has the Achilles!

Wow some big mouth you're got --- sorry to rant folks because BigS seems like an "ok" guy ---- However, after looking at his profile with over 600 post most of which are "just to post a comment saying or adding little " in a month's time --- he is becoming a real honest to god "I/me" centered Bore -- Am I getting lightened up enough yet BigS? ---

I apologize Bertramp for getting off subject in your post. If you want more information email Chuck Bennett at BW, he is restoring a Squall actually the original one they used to do the 80's molds remake from, he's a wealth of information --- our Squall needs restoration --- still have been using her with a Sunfish Sail have an original sail on order --- "Puff" is her name --- nice to teach the fundamentals on, plus safe --- Z

Bigshot posted 07-30-2001 04:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Hey BigZ this is BigS, put a lid on it! We are all impressed with you half baked informational novel but he/she just wanted to know if it would be good for their 11 year old to play around with it. Maybe you still play with your squall(with Mr. Ducky) as well, floating in your 9'blue tub Somewhere in NJ, but most of us here have grown up and a 9' boat with a sail is not exactly what most 11-12 year olds would choose when there is an inflatable with a 8hp on it.
It was real generous that you told this nice person to double the max Hp but I don't think that was what they meant by "play around". As you will also note Mr.Mindreader and forum host is that they said a 13' is in his NEAR future. Now get back to whatever you were doing before you decided to make an ass out of the both of us. And by the way, who did they "thank"? Hmmm.... I did read, better than you obviously!

No you are not "lightened up" enough by any means. Matter of fact.....Nah! You figure it out. This what I meant by the trying to be better than then next person and tell them they are wrong, who are you to criticize me or antone else on this forum. Are you the BW Guru? Did you win the 1971 Squall nationals to know how well they sail. Were you in the OLympics the year they used squalls for their boat of choice? They asked a question, I gave an HONEST opinion from a kid who grew up on one for 5 years. You still have not grown up!

Tsuriki BW posted 07-31-2001 01:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
BigZ

Your knowledge and long time contribution is greatly appreciated by all of us.

BS, on the other hand, has posted some decent information sometimes but has a tendency to be a sarcastic egotistical butt.

Per HIS suggestion, Cetacea Comments, "time for a new poll", I went to the "boatdoctor.com" site, checked the forum and looked around. I noticed a consistantly arrogant poster, Nick Manutas, and lo and behold his e.mail address was: Bigshot457@cs.com. My oh my!

Vulger at times, arrogant, admits to signing on to other boards using an alias, problems posting on other boards....

He also claims to have lived in Texas and has posted some choice words about that...

All of this information comes from BS's SUGGESTION posted on this board to visit the other site!

In the month and a half BS has been here he has, IMO, tried to change the mature professional style of the Whaler Forum. I hope Jim doesn't let that happen..

Tsuriki

Bigshot posted 07-31-2001 10:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Tsuriki, you are a damn liar! Never used an alias anywhere! Is mine an alias here? I never go to other boards except here and Boatdr. Went to one once just to see where the host badmouthed our forum(notice I said OUR). Did live in Texas, so what. Was born and raised in NJ and lived there all my life until 3 years ago. Went to School at North Texas Univ. and then Central Ct state, who cares where I lived, but now you know for your miniseries. There is no "mature professional style" here! Are you mature and professional by trying to railroad and badmouth me? This is BS and frankly so are you, pal. Mom, I'm telling on Nick! He was on BoatDr busting people’s chops. Well that is true everyone and I can do it VERY well but only to my FRIENDS who I am conversing with on that forum. Anyone who wants to see can go there, it is a free country. Be aware of the disclaimer on the front page if you are as thin skinned as this wimp. You are NOT my friend and so far as Jim and everyone can see, I have not busted anyone's chops or been disruptive in any manner until this thread, you have. People have e-mailed me and thanked me many times in the last month for my help. You rarely help(248 posts in 1 year), you just snivel like a little boy trying to get his way and make brownie points. What do you think you are going to get into the Whaler forum hall of fame for the least amount of posts in the last year? I have posted 700 posts. 698 were in responses to people’s questions. 2 were in defense to my credibility, which I should not even be doing. But why not! MY only beef with this forum is people like you! Telling people they are WRONG, judging their factual content, trying to get people to pick favorites or sides. This is an open forum. You have NO right whatsoever to judge anyone along with BigZ. If you do not like my content, skip it and move on. If I ever insult someone or use profanity, that is Jim's job to e-mail me and say so. So far, no Jim, just thank you's from other members or questions from them as well.

Happy posting to all and see ya around!

Tsuriki BW posted 07-31-2001 11:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Your posts tell the truth, I stand by my words.

There is/was a mature professional style to this board. Too bad you don't get it.

The rest of your post is BS.

'nuf said. End of topic from me.

Sorry Bertramp for getting off topic.

Tsuriki.

Chris J posted 07-31-2001 11:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chris J  Send Email to Chris J     
To return to the original topic...

I still have an early Squall that my father bought. We had a 13 footer (which i still have) and liked the idea of an unsinkable sailboat. It has the shower-rod marconi sail. I wasn't that happy with it as a sailboat; I believe it is a bit heavy for decent performance. But it is fairly easy to handle and rows and tows well. I still take it out for a row fairly often.

I put a 5 HP motor on it every once in awhile and it worked OK just putting around.

No major problems, except the centerboard handle has loosened up somehow and has a lot of play in it. Not sure how to fix that. I usually stick a wood wedge in the centerboard well if I plan on rowing it, rather than have the CB flop partway down and catch on stuff.

Dick posted 07-31-2001 01:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
As a self taught sailer with limited experience, I might as well add my comments.
I was a Bayliner dealer at the time and was talked into stocking some of their US sailboats. I learned to sail on a US18, a roomy, fun, very forgiving boat but not a fast boat. It provided many hours of enjoyable sailing.
To me this was what I wanted, I wasn't interested in racing.
This doesn't realy relate to the Squall except for the fact that different boats satisfy the needs of different people.
I was in my 40s when I experienced sailing, I wish I had had the oppertunity when I was a kid. On any kind of sailboat.
Dick
Bigshot posted 07-31-2001 01:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Forgot about that Chris. The stickshift handle for the centerboard snaped on me. Tough little bugger to lift. I actually looked at the Squall on E-Bay last week but it was in NJ. That would be a nice boat for my kids to start out in like it was for me when I was young.
Bertramp posted 07-31-2001 01:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bertramp  Send Email to Bertramp     
wow .... I just asked for a little info about a little boat.
thanks everyone .... and isn't this supposed to be fun ??
lighten up guys !
Bigshot posted 07-31-2001 02:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Bertramp, were you thinking about the one on E-Bay that sold for like $400?
bigz posted 07-31-2001 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Chris, you can disassemble the CB and check that the lifting engagement nuts haven't worn -- probably not, I suspect that the bolt loosened then corroded so that now a snug fit can't be achieved with the hex nut insert in the CB. You might try removing the bolt, spraying in a generous amount of liquid wrench. If it snaps then you'll have to drill it out, and if you screw up the threads you'll have to retap. Anyway it can be fixed -- replace bolt with a stainless one regardless of how you get it out. If you want can send you an engineering diagram of this fitting might help to understand how it all goes together.

Yep Dick, best thing in the world for kids learning sailing fundamentals. We have both the Squall and a Sunfish -- Squall is better for teaching, dry and not "squirrelly" like the SF, kids can concentrate. Lucky got my chance back in the late 50's in Sea Shells (little 7+ft plywood prams), through the early 60's on Interlakes and Thistles, then crewed on a friends Dragon Class through the end of the 60's. Have been sailing on and off ever since. Tom

Chris J posted 08-01-2001 01:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chris J  Send Email to Chris J     
bigz -
Thanks for the info; I'll check that out next time I'm where the boat is (I don't keep it at home... long story).

I haven't looked at the matter too seriously yet. I remember removing the bolt that holds on the CB handle once, and not finding anything obvious to do beyond that. I assumed there was a D-hole on the CB fin that had worn out or something of the sort.

If you have anything else you can tell me about this matter or have relevant drawings I'd love to see them. You can email me at cjohnson@slonet.org. I'll send you my street address via email if you need it. Also, be sure and tell me if you need postage or copy costs covered.

TNX

Bertramp posted 08-10-2001 09:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bertramp  Send Email to Bertramp     
Yes ... the one that I bought was on ebay.
How wrong can you go with any whaler at $400?
As said, my son (me too) use an achilles with an 8hp and we have a bigger boat (despite the name not a Bertram, though I've owned 3 at different times). The squall is for him to play around on for a few years and if I sell it for $300 in 3 years ... big deal.
Guys (and Gals) thanks for all of the info !!
Texboater posted 08-12-2001 11:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Texboater  Send Email to Texboater     
We bought a Squall last year for our boys (ages 9 & 12). It is a good play/learning boat for them. I have a new problem...the rudder is now at the bottom of a very deep lake. Anybody know where I can get a replacement? I have the specs from BW for the dimensions of the rudder and tiller, and could replicate them both in wood (orginal rudder is metal). But, we can't figure out how to manufacture the metal assembly for connecting the tiller and rudder to the boat. Any ideas? Thanks.
bigz posted 08-13-2001 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Texboater, I would suggest get a 3hp motor for you 9 and 12 year old scrap the sailing stuff --- :) just a chuckle don't mean it ---

An idea is to switch it over to a modified Sunfish rudder assembly (in my mind that's all it was anyway). You can find the parts which might work here http://www.teamvanguard.com/sunfish/

Good luck, Tom

Bigshot posted 08-13-2001 11:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Keep your eyes on E-Bay, somebody was selling a used one there a while ago.
Texboater posted 08-15-2001 10:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for Texboater  Send Email to Texboater     
Thanks. I'll keep my eye on E-bay and other such sites and in the meantime, look into using Sunfish parts.
Bertramp posted 08-15-2001 11:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bertramp  Send Email to Bertramp     
Total change in plans ..... the squall is for sale ..... I didn't even pick it up yet, but will in next day or so. I bought for $406.55 on ebay ... looking for $400.
Boat will be on Long Island in NY by 8/19.
Bigshot posted 08-15-2001 11:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
bertramp has a whole squall for $400.

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