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Montauk vs Newport
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posted 07-30-2001 05:57 PM ET (US)
I have a salt-water boathouse and they're not making those anymore. It is roughly 20'6" by 8' with a marine railway built on 6x6’s on 10ft center. I figure 1500lbs max. Sort of sounds right for a Whaler.
I've been hunting around, and decided that 15' is not enough, so I've been looking at 17's I have a bunch of questions, but the first one is about the Montauk vs. the Newport.
The Montauk looks real salty, and is more common used, but the Newport looks a lot more comfortable. But I've just seen one for the first time, and they look…well, weird. It may be that I'm not used to the looks of the Newport.
I have two kids, 5 and 8, and a BW from Oklahoma, and my intended uses are exploring, skiing and perhaps carrying kayaks (more on that later). Mostly summer daytrips, inland protected waters (East side of Whidbey Island, San Juans) so what do the experts think... take the best Montauk that I can afford with canvas, or get a Newport, if I can find one?
I ought to point out; I want to stay well under $10K. I know this has been discussed before, but I'd still appreciate the input.
posted 07-30-2001 06:06 PM ET (US)
I personally love Newports but have not been blessed with one. The Montauk is more "oceany" but the Newport has a sweet sprayshield. A railing that is more friendly for getting on/off. You can drive standing up and the low buckets keep you vision clear. Either is a great hull. For a family bay cruiser, Newport. Going out for Yellowfin, Montauk. All around great family skiff, either.
posted 07-30-2001 06:35 PM ET (US)
Go to the Rendezvous section of this forum. You'll see the Puget Sound Rendezvous. Read about our gettogether and contact Dick. He has a Montauk.
We would love for you to join the rendezvous. You will be able to see, touch, feel lots of boats. We also have a website to visit. Dick can give you details.
Sure you'll find the info you need.
posted 07-30-2001 08:59 PM ET (US)
As Tsuriki BW said I have a Montauk and love it. I like the looks of the Newport but working at the dealership I could buy new at the right price, hence the Montauk.
I have a line on a 1988 Newport up in Blaine on a trailer and full canvas, no motor.
If you would like more info please email me.
Also check out our Puget Sound Rendezvous.
posted 07-30-2001 10:19 PM ET (US)
I have not owned a Montauk, but I have ridden in htem on several occassions. I have owned a Newport. When you mentioned that they 'look' more comfortable, you are correct - they LOOK that way. My big complaint with the Newport was that it was really a 'sit-down' boat. I always drove it standing up, but the console was somewhat low for this. I found the ride in my Newport to be more compareable with the 13's I've owned (obviously fairly harsh in a chop). Because you can stand up and drive a Montauk, your legs absorb so much more of the pounding. If your looking for comfort, I would go with a Montauk, and see if you can get the full stern seat.
|Tom W Clark||
posted 07-31-2001 12:41 AM ET (US)
I gotta' agree with Dan. Newport looks more comfortable, but the key to comfort in a seventeen is to stand.
I have always liked the "deck" on the Newports and the storage it affords, but quite frankly, the center console and the greater flexability it affords outweights that feature. Now having said that, you could buy a Newport and covert it to a pseudo-Monatuk by replacing the console. I've seen several boats like this but it is not exactly the economical way to go.
As to staying well under $10k I suggest you check this out: "17' Boston Whaler - 90HP Johnson & trailer, 7.5 Honda, canvas. Good cond!! $7000 (206) 793-3532" Hyperlink
posted 07-31-2001 07:26 AM ET (US)
Having had a montauk in inland waters, I got rid of it, It's made for big water and to keep the occupants in. My use for an inland boat requires me to get out of the boat often, ie. sking, diving, exploring. The console, rail arangement prevents this. I now use a 15 sport, modified for more room and I'm happy with the results. I can't help to think if I had a newport instead of a montauk I'd still have it. Good Luck Joe.
posted 07-31-2001 09:29 AM ET (US)
This is good info hee Taulor. Lots of pros and cons.
posted 07-31-2001 10:15 AM ET (US)
Lonestarpa, why not just take the bow rail
posted 08-01-2001 06:47 PM ET (US)
Lonestarpa...How do you compare the ride of the 15 to 17 hull?
posted 08-02-2001 03:01 PM ET (US)
Having owned a 1977 Sport 15 (now my son's)and a 2000 Montauk, I think I can safely say that the difference is night and day.
The extra weight of the Montauk goes far to smooth out the bumps in the water. Standing up at the center console is a heck of a lot easier on the spinal column. But then again I am a lot older than when I bought the Sport 15 in 1977.
posted 08-02-2001 04:28 PM ET (US)
Taylor, if you have to stick with an absolute maximum of 1500#, you may be hard-pressed to do that with a 17.
The literature lists the hull at 950#. By the time you add and engine, fuel, accessories, batteries, electronics, canvas, paddle, anchor, asst. safety equipment, personal items, etc., I think you can see that you will be well in excess of 1500.
posted 08-02-2001 06:11 PM ET (US)
compounder: There was not exactly formal engineering on this marine railway. Phone discussion with a engineer friend, and some guess work at the lumberyard. I also have a class I hitch on the car, (2000#) and my gut says both the car and the boathouse will take a Whaler, but not a Bayliner.
Tom Clark, I've seen that boat in the Seattle Times, it *is* a Newport. I'm thinking about it, but I have that 88 Newport to look at in Blaine that Dick mentioned, and a '91 Anniv. Ed. Montauk to see in Bellingham. (more money, but newer plus it has the full stern seat hardensheetmetal recommends.)
Anwya, all these posts seem well reasoned and experienced, but there is such a wide difference of opinion. I really appreciate the advice though. YMMV.
posted 08-08-2001 06:15 PM ET (US)
Thought I'd let folks know, I'm going to Montauk route, but full canvas. I've found a couple of nice ones of those. Newports seem rarer, I'm thinking the Montauk may have better resale. The full canvas gives me a chance to keep my family warmer if we get into that kind of longer trip. In the mean time, I really liked the extra floorspace and openess of the Montauk.
posted 08-08-2001 10:58 PM ET (US)
posted 08-09-2001 12:01 PM ET (US)
The only time I drive my Montauk sitting down is the rare occaision when I take it to a lake. Otherwise, I stand, usually with the seat reversed and used like a leaning post. Also, the full Mills canvas is great. Just raising the dodger can make the difference between comfort and heading for home.
posted 08-09-2001 09:07 PM ET (US)
I looked at a montauk prior to buying our montauk. It was 5 years older than the montauk and quite a bit cheaper plus had full canvas. I am glad I waited for the montauk to come along, even though it ran 6k more. The newport had less usable floor space, but more stowage. The front passengers got wet more often and the low rails seemed, to me, to pose a problem off-shore.
posted 08-10-2001 12:19 AM ET (US)
Above s/b I looked at a newport prior ...
p.s. Can you re-activate the edit option?
posted 08-11-2001 09:21 PM ET (US)
I have a Newport and with the kids at their age the front bucket seats make an ideal place for the kids.... As well I use mine for fishing and running in the Atlantic and skiing.... and I can think of no better boat to do it in. The Newport allows the driver to stand and stear as well as the Montauk....in my humble opinion. I have certainly stood for long peroids in rough water and have found it to be fine.....The only major difference is the height and angle of the wheel, but still very steerable.
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