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blackdog posted 08-05-2001 10:03 AM ET (US)   Profile for blackdog   Send Email to blackdog  
Who makes a good electric winch for my 16'?

Blackdog

LarrySherman posted 08-05-2001 12:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
BlackDog,

What is the application? Anchor retrevial?

dauntlass 18 posted 08-05-2001 12:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for dauntlass 18  Send Email to dauntlass 18     
Dutton-Lainson Company StrongArm electric winches work very well to load my 21' Conquest back on the trailer. The winch originally had wire cable. They provided me...no charge...a changeover to nylon strap. I feel the winch is very heavy duty. It can be obtained special order from Boat U.S. Or, some industrial supply houses.
blackdog posted 08-05-2001 02:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
Larry,
Boat retrevial
Whalerdan posted 08-06-2001 12:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdan  Send Email to Whalerdan     
I'll bite. Why would you want to go with the complexity of an electric winch to haul a puny 16' boat in with?
reelescape1 posted 08-06-2001 02:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for reelescape1  Send Email to reelescape1     
My 22' came with one...on the (wrong) roller trailer. I like it but don't know that I would have it if I had the correct trailer. (Unless a health issue forced it) I built a SS battery box, welded it to the trailer with a lock...keeps the wiring VERY short. I would strongly reccomend this to anyone. I covered the top in non-skid which provides a step up to the bow...I have no problems launching and/or retrieving my boat alone. I might could e-mail a pic if I can get someones digital.
ValkariaKid posted 08-06-2001 03:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for ValkariaKid  Send Email to ValkariaKid     
Hey Blackdog-

The trailer for the Montauk I bought came with an old Powerwinch (electric winch).
It's got to be atleast 15 years old, and still works great. With a boat that size you don't really need one. In fact I usually find it easier to just use the handle and crank the boat the last 3 feet than to dig through the back of my Bronco to find the harness for the winch.

If you do decide to go the way of the electron, pick up a male & female plug made for a trolling motor. The plug Powerwinch uses is a cheesy design that leaves the wires exposed under the bumper that seems to need a replacing every year. The trolling motor plugs are sealed, and are alot cheaper.

BTW.. after a full day's worth of whalering it's kinda nice to just hoist your boat out with a flick of a switch while the others are taking turns at the crank!

-Paul

blackdog posted 08-06-2001 03:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
Whaler Dan,
I watched B Bear retrieve his with a power winch and then I lugged mine with my crappy one speed manual winch. I was out of breath, no doubt out of shape also. The 16 Dauntless is not a light boat. I found myself trying to hurry up and clear the ramp and when by myself itís a bit much and adds stress to the whole operation. I want to enjoy.
I wanted to keep the whole thing simple to, with manual winch but it just
Isnít working for me.
Before anyone calls me sissy, I am no stranger to manual labor. Grew up on a farm, Bailed hey, live stock the hole nine yards. My hands are soft now but they used to be like leather.
You Go Bigshot!!!!!!!
Bigshot posted 08-06-2001 04:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Believe it or not Blackdog, a GOOD manual winch is a dream. My Bajas weighs 5000lbs loaded and I can winch it up the last 3-5 no problem. Gear ratio is the key. Most small trailers have crappy winches due to lack of weight. Try a 4000 or 6000lb winch and see.
B Bear posted 08-07-2001 11:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
Blackdog, you know I offered you my 2 speed manual winch.
I saw Dauntless 18's winch, it is a nice unit. What ever you decide to buy the best advice I can give is to get one where the dead weight lift is greater than the loaded boat weight. That way you can haul it on even if it the trailer is vertical or almost horizonal, that should cover all ramp angles and tides!
Bear
blackdog posted 08-08-2001 04:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
Bear,
I may take you up on your offer for the winch. My handle is striping out. Just a matter of when I will see you next with the new baby and all.
Black dog is also her nick name
lhg posted 08-08-2001 04:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Get Stoltz keel rollers and your winching problems are over. Sorry to bring up a sore subject!
blackdog posted 08-09-2001 12:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
lhg,
Actually I have been meaning to give everyone an update on that. I'll post in more detail with pictures before and after. I did manage to get the dealer to upgrade on the bunk roller trailer. Replaced the single roller on the back with a double Stoltz and also changed out the midships with clear Stoltz also. Island Marine Ctr in NJ did it for free! They really won me over. It's a small thing but I was having an issue.
Big difference but too late to save the winch. not biggie small $$

Blackdog

lhg posted 08-09-2001 02:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I personally think an electric winch is not necessary on a properly set up trailer. Consider trying a good 2 speed winch first, such as a D/L or Fulton.

Even on my 25, I never even have to use the low gear ratio, but on a bunk trailer it would help.

Incidentally, I recently saw my first 25' hull with serious hull compression problems (badly dimpled hull sides) from having spent it's life on a 4 bunk trailer, with no keel rollers. Too much weight carried in the wrong places.

Mullet posted 08-09-2001 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mullet  Send Email to Mullet     
Was raised to just run the boat up on the trailer. Never thought about an electric winch. Usually let out just enough strap to unhook boat and only takes about two turns to secure. I guess I can see the need on certain ramps. Off the subect, what I would like to find is the electric trailer jack. That is my main peeve about trailering. Anyone know if these are still sold?
Bigshot posted 08-09-2001 03:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
That would be SWEEET! Hydraulic even like a floor jack.
Mullet posted 08-09-2001 03:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mullet  Send Email to Mullet     
Big, they did exist. The neat thing is that when you wanted to put it up, you used the electricity to get the weight onto the hitch and then could push a release and slide it on up. The same for putting it down, let it drop to the ground and then push the button to get it off the hitch. I'll let you know if I find one. Used to be on the larger boats around here.
Chesapeake posted 08-09-2001 04:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chesapeake  Send Email to Chesapeake     
Would / are keel rollers recommended for an old 16 on a new EZLoader bunk trailer? If so, how many and where?

Bob

lhg posted 08-09-2001 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Bob - In my opinion, definitely. See picture of my 71 Nauset in Reference Section, on an EZ Loader. There was one 12" keel roller on each of three cross members, which can be seen if you look carefully at the picture.
Side bunks only keep boat from wobbling side to side.

But, I should say that many here think a bunk (only) trailer works just fine for their Montauks. Decision is yours, but owners manual from the time said "keel rollers". Because of cost and difficulty in obtaining these, BW has modified their postion on this under the new Ownership, for recent models.

jimh posted 08-09-2001 07:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The Dutton-Lainson winch is a really nice manual winch. I don't know about their electrics, but I would assume they are similarly over built.

I have a DL2500 on my trailer now. I am sure it could pull the bow eye out of the boat before it would even start to groan.

Dutton-Lainson has a very nice website. It has a great deal of information. Here is a link:

Jump to Dutton-Lainson website

Incidently, at the end of our recent cruise all the Whalers came to the ramp to haul out. All the trailers had Dutton-Lainson winches on them. I would say that is a pretty good endorsement.

--jimh

jimh posted 08-09-2001 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I should also mention that the Dutton-Lainson winches are very attractively priced through Cabelas' catelogue sales. Much better than the pricing you'll find at West Marine and similar outlets.

--jimh

blackdog posted 08-09-2001 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
Thanks Jim. Thats what I was looking for.

Blackdog

Dr T posted 08-10-2001 12:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dr T  Send Email to Dr T     
Ultra Fab makes an electric trailer tongue jack. The web site is:

http://www.ultra-fab.com/tjack.html

grogden posted 08-14-2001 10:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for grogden  Send Email to grogden     
question, my trailer has 2 bunks and keel rollers , if I winch it up too quickly the hull often dooesn't sit properly on the bunks and I have to refloat it and try again.What adjustments if any should I make to the trailer.
blackdog posted 08-15-2001 09:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
Same thing happens to me. Not Sure about correcting it. I found that if I sink the trailer to deep it does not sit properly.

Try getting the bunks wet by sinking the trailer then pull forward until the rear roller sits just below the water and the front roller of course will be higher. This usaully give me the best results.

Blackdog

Bigshot posted 08-15-2001 09:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
If you pull up your boat and it is crooked, just back it in and let it float. Then go forward and see if it corrected itself. No need to untie and rewinch unless you can't reverse anymore. Trailer guides are key whether winching or float/drive-on.

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