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whaler22 posted 08-20-2001 08:30 PM ET (US)   Profile for whaler22   Send Email to whaler22  
I recently purchased a 1980 Revenge V-22. Project after project it's getting a little too involved. Since I moved from Louisiana to Oregon, I have to get the hull titled(LA does not title hulls). The Sherrif cannot find an Id tag anywhere on the hull. There is a little tag with the #'s 308 M80A on the transom but he's looking for a 12 digit ID #. The previous registration from La has a complete number BWC5A308M80A but we can not find it on the Hull anywhere. Where can I find it?! If he's not able to id the hull, he says he'll have to SEIZE my boat until things can be sorted out. I've taken down the bulk head in the cabin and looked in the anchor locker. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Dave
B Bear posted 08-20-2001 09:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
I know that the hull number is normally placed twice on the hull, one on the transom and the other hidden somewhere, in a well, behind a cushion, well you get the idea. If all else fails call BW.
Bear
SuburbanBoy posted 08-21-2001 12:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for SuburbanBoy  Send Email to SuburbanBoy     
You have most of the number already. I believe BWC=Boston Whaler Company, and 5A is the Plant ID. He has already seen the rest of the ID. Any revenge owners to comment?

good luck,

sub

bigz posted 08-21-2001 05:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
The "12" digit numbers if I recall weren't required until the mid to late 80's.

Your match for the last 7 digits is all that is necessary, the 5 digits which id the manufacture are shown on the LA registration which was upgraded by the previous owner when the state notified him or when he renewed the registration when the 12 digits became the norm. The boat was not required to have a new serial # plate installed.

Check with the government agency which titles and they can tell you when this 12 digit registration was actually started in Oregon (had a similar problem with Maine/NJ/Delaware) and that the 7 digits is fine on the hull since you have the correct 5 digit manufactures code on the current LA registration (which I assume is in your name)

Explain nicely to the Sheriff that the last 7 digit match with the LA registration is all that is necessary. He can check with the titling bureau if he questions it.

Hope this helps solve and explains the problem -- Tom

Samars posted 08-21-2001 08:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Samars  Send Email to Samars     
Whaler22....

I have had simular problems with my BW I aquired from Maryland. No title/registration on either the trailer or boat. I risked and drove the boat to PA...registered the trailer and called Maryland courts to get a duplicate of the original title to the boat. In PA, I had both boat and trailer inspected and a messenger service took care of getting both legally registered here. It was quite an ordeal though... the original registration number should be enough to get your boat registered properly...

Samars posted 08-21-2001 08:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Samars  Send Email to Samars     
Whaler22....

I have had simular problems with my BW I aquired from Maryland. No title/registration on either the trailer or boat. I risked and drove the boat to PA...registered the trailer and called Maryland courts to get a duplicate of the original title to the boat. In PA, I had both boat and trailer inspected and a messenger service took care of getting both legally registered here. It was quite an ordeal though... the original registration number should be enough to get your boat registered properly...

whaler22 posted 08-21-2001 10:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for whaler22  Send Email to whaler22     
Thanks guys. I agree. A little common sense should play in here. The aluminum placard is still in tack with the last 7 matching numbers......however, this young guy insists on seeing all twelve. I've managed to contact the last 3 owners and have them mail me paperwork to show the trail. I hope this helps. Any clues where else I can locate another ID Tag on the hull? This might help also.
Thanks
David
triblet posted 08-21-2001 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
It should have a 12-digit HIN. HINs started
Nov 1 '72 and have been 12-digits all along.
See http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm

Call Boston Whaler.


Chuck

triblet posted 08-21-2001 11:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
And isn't the HIN molded into the transom
on yours? It is on my Montauk.

Chuck

bigz posted 08-21-2001 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Got me thinking Chuck!

Whaler 22 looking at the plaque, does it appear there is space before the engraved 308M80A? What could have happened is the BWC which actually was/is silk screened on these little plaques wore off and a distinct possibly that your engraved first 2 digits of the HIN number did "5A".

Chuck your right on the federal requirement thanks for bringing this up. On the registration a lot of states only used the last 7 or 9 digits for registration purposes and not the first 3 to 5 digits. In the 80's states pretty much switched to accommodating all HIN 12 digits for registration. It does seem strange that the std. aluminum plaque is present and not the first 5 digits, could be the reason I asked about above.

These were not molded into the early boats that I can recall. The secondary numbers were usually stenciled somewhere inside the hull. Not sure on the Revenge but the same vintage Outrage had it stenciled in the anchor locker.

LarrySherman posted 08-21-2001 01:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
I have the same problem on my 81' 25. The transom was rebuilt, and the new gelcaot covered the HIN. I'v looked all over the boat, in every locker, inside the transom, etc. No HIN.

All I have is the Hull #, A40001. fortunaltly, CT is much nicer about this, and the DEP issues a new HIN if th old can not be found. Do you think Chuck at BW would be able to look up the HIN by the Hull #?

bigz posted 08-21-2001 02:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Why don't you ask him -- !! ??

He still has his job.... as of this morning anyway ----- chuckle

whaler22 posted 08-21-2001 02:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for whaler22  Send Email to whaler22     
I called Chuck atBW this morning. He said that Boston Whaler only Stamped the last 7 digits. The "BWC 5A" was probably only painted or screened on the placard. It looks as if some work has been done on the transom and overspray got onto the tag. The tag has been sanded to remove the paint...thus the first five #'s also.(this is just my theory). Chuck said to look inside the bow-lockers on the Revenge and you should find another placard rivetted in place.....SHOULD. Not on mine. Anyone else..There are some numbers stensled in paint, but no placard. These numbers don't match the placard. I'm not sure what they represent.
Dave
bigz posted 08-21-2001 02:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Dave, your theory is undoubtedly correct, we have four Whalers right now the newest a '92 you can barely read the placard, the '89 also is almost gone, the '87 legible but just, and the '69 little Squall is fine and she is in the roughest condition! Go figure!!

Those other numbers, did Chuck B have any clues? Do you think something to do with the topside liner?

Good luck with the registration. If you still have problems ask the last owner to send you a notarized bill of sale that coupled with the LA registration would be pretty hard for them to balk at issuing you one I would think. Tom

whaler22 posted 08-21-2001 04:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for whaler22  Send Email to whaler22     
Here's my letter to Chuck at BW about Hull Ser#'s and HIN#'s. Now if I can just get the sherrif to buy off on it all will be o.k.
David


Subject: Re: Hull #'s and Hin#
To: DAVID JUNKER <bcslmld@yahoo.com>
From: cbennett@whaler.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:26:41 -0400
David,
The stenciled number, located on the inside of your locker, is Boston
Whaler's factory serial number.
This was originally the only serial numbers given boats until about
1972
when the 12 digit Hull Identification Numbers were added on aluminum
plates.
The serial numbers allow Whaler to look up the original Hull
Identification
Numbers, should the plates be removed (or worse...the boat stolen).
Looking up Whaler's records: They indicate the same numbers that you
had
given me previously...BWC5A308M80A.
This boat was built in our Norwell, Mass facility and was originally
shipped out on 8/24/79 to Pelegrin Marine in Houma, LA ...
They are still in business at504-872-4841.
As I stated before, most people just have their local trophy shops make
new
plates.


Original letter sent to Whaler:

I found a number stensled in the bow locker of my
Revenge. Is this a hull # or my HIN#? Is there
anyway to cross these two numbers. The stensled # is A20307. Thanks David

LarrySherman posted 08-21-2001 05:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
I just sent a simillar email to Chuck. It's good to know that it will work.

Chuck must get hammered by forum Member request when a new topic comes up that involves contacting him! Poor guy, and he seems really nice too.

Larry

LarrySherman posted 08-23-2001 11:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
Here is Chuck's reply:

Larry,
From what I understand, there was no Hull Identification Number given to this boat at the factory...sorry. Where there are no records for this boat, we are assuming that the boat was used for testing in engineering and later sold to or by an employee. I'm curious as to the registration of the boat over the past 20 years and what numbers were used.


Bummer...

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