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tobycarlson posted 08-21-2001 12:32 AM ET (US)
Can anyone recommend a good swim ladder for a Montauk? I'm all over bruises from clambering in over the transom!
triblet posted 08-21-2001 11:44 AM ET (US)
This has been covered at great length here
in the past. STFA (Search The Fine Archives)
Chuck
Whalerdan posted 08-22-2001 07:56 AM ET (US)
I did a search for "ladder" over the past two years and couldn't find anything that recommends any ladder. I too am interested in this topic and have been keeping a eye out for any information on a good folding ladder that could be easily stored, possibily in the console. I don't recall any recommendations on this site and, as I said, couldn't find anything by searching.
Triblet - If you know the link, why don't give it to us?
Sam Collins posted 08-22-2001 08:14 AM ET (US)
Search 2 years within Repairs/Mods
bigz posted 08-22-2001 08:32 AM ET (US)
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000869.html
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000783.html
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000132.html
Dan you didn't search very hard --- subjects of this nature usually will be found in Repairs etc., as Sam mentioned. Anyway you might find your own post interesting ---- the situation is and Chuck knows it that some post where the subject doesn't specifically state the nature of the search could very well hold a wealth of information since our threads have a tendency to move off the topic frequently --- topic/thread search engine is needed --- additionally now in certain forums it is taking longer to load the past two years than a search engine would take to search the entire forum ---
Whalerdan posted 08-22-2001 10:41 AM ET (US)
I read all three of these links and I still don't think the question has been answered. I remember my post about not wanting a swim platform (I still don't) and, I'm sorry Bigz I don't find it interesting in the least. No one has ever came back with a post that I would call a solution to the problem, which is a sturdy boarding ladder that will fit in the console. Thus, I think tobycarlson still has valid question and should not be persecuted for asking it.
bigz posted 08-22-2001 11:22 AM ET (US)
Hey Dan, these were only suggestions, no one was persecuting anyone!
Toby was just asking for a sturdy one I think and the one post on the Armstrong might fit his situation. Which he certainly could do a "search" for, as I did for the post above.
He might try Repairs etc. now that Bear has posted a "swim platform" post which encompasses ladders for the Montauk.
Try a "rope" ladder if you want one to fit in your console, would be a suggestion! There was also one I saw which was made of a high impact plastic with hinges, offered in 3 - 4 - 6 step versions and folded compactly together. It mounted on the gunwale with small attaching clips. Sorry don't have a clue who makes it but if I have a chance will do a web search for the source.
triblet posted 08-22-2001 02:17 PM ET (US)
I didn't know the link, but I knew it had been
discussed and wouldn't be too hard to find.
I am not a search engine.

Chuck
whalerron posted 08-22-2001 04:43 PM ET (US)
Boy, you guys are a tough crowd.
Toby, try this:
http://www.mengo-ind.com/dl.html
I have tried a few swim ladders but for a whaler with its slanted hull sides and narrow gunnels, the standard ladders just don't work right. The curvature of the hooks is just too wide. I am wondering if one of DotLine's deck mount ladders shown here would work. Look at model PDM3A. It mighgt require shortening of the hooks and probably adding a rubber or plastic cap to the hook ends. It would also require raising the "stand off" step so that the standoffs would meet the side of the boat. But, this is the closest I have see to a ladder that would be good for a montauk.
- ron
daverdla posted 08-22-2001 05:42 PM ET (US)
I called the local whaler dealer about a swim ladder for my 89 montauk. The added wood for the lower bolts was not installed until 199?. They recommended not attaching one. (I have however seen several montauks older than mine with the ladders installed).
Dave
whalerron posted 08-22-2001 11:30 PM ET (US)
Sorry, I wasn't as explicit as I should have been. What I meant was that maybe the answer is to buy the deckmount ladder but modify it so that it just hooks over the gunwale and is used like a regular ladder. I am going to try and find one of these ladders and see if this is a viable solution.
Whalerdan posted 08-23-2001 07:44 AM ET (US)
Sounds like we need to start a company and design and build one!
Tribet - Nobody asked you to answer in the first place.
Mullet posted 08-23-2001 10:29 AM ET (US)
I would agree with bigz and get a rope ladder or even make one. If you have both sets of rails (bow and gunwale) you have natural handles and would only need a step
or two as the gunwale isn't that tall. Plus, if it is portable it makes posting in this section "legitimate" as it isn't a repair or a modification.
lpaton posted 08-23-2001 03:01 PM ET (US)
I built an aluminium ladder with a central srtinger to permit easy use with fins. Injected it with foam so it floats. Works great.Very solid but probably pricy unless you or a buddy welds aluminium. Have the CAD file and mentioned this on a post quite a while ago but nobody ever asked to have it sent.Still available.
Laird
Mullet posted 08-23-2001 03:41 PM ET (US)
Try the link below. This is a transom mount which you can mount the bracket above the waterline and the ladder is removable.

http://www.boatus-store.com/mc_online/Browse.asp?showitem=38904
lpaton posted 08-23-2001 04:14 PM ET (US)
My ladder is pretty much the same as the one Mullet has linked to. It is removeable and solid. Due to length I strap it to bow rail when not in use. These ladders can normally be raised and kept in place when underway if going is not too rough. Love it.
DCPeters posted 08-24-2001 01:29 AM ET (US)
I saw an interesting ski ladder on the side of a Whaler runabout (had front deck!)today.
It mounted to the top of the Gunwale, amidship on port side, hung inside the boat when not in use.
Perhaps this is still available from someone.

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Author	Topic: Montauk swim ladder
tobycarlson	posted 08-21-2001 12:32 AM ET (US) Can anyone recommend a good swim ladder for a Montauk? I'm all over bruises from clambering in over the transom!
triblet	posted 08-21-2001 11:44 AM ET (US) This has been covered at great length here in the past. STFA (Search The Fine Archives) Chuck
Whalerdan	posted 08-22-2001 07:56 AM ET (US) I did a search for "ladder" over the past two years and couldn't find anything that recommends any ladder. I too am interested in this topic and have been keeping a eye out for any information on a good folding ladder that could be easily stored, possibily in the console. I don't recall any recommendations on this site and, as I said, couldn't find anything by searching. Triblet - If you know the link, why don't give it to us?
Sam Collins	posted 08-22-2001 08:14 AM ET (US) Search 2 years within Repairs/Mods
bigz	posted 08-22-2001 08:32 AM ET (US) http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000869.html http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000783.html http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000132.html Dan you didn't search very hard --- subjects of this nature usually will be found in Repairs etc., as Sam mentioned. Anyway you might find your own post interesting ---- the situation is and Chuck knows it that some post where the subject doesn't specifically state the nature of the search could very well hold a wealth of information since our threads have a tendency to move off the topic frequently --- topic/thread search engine is needed --- additionally now in certain forums it is taking longer to load the past two years than a search engine would take to search the entire forum ---
Whalerdan	posted 08-22-2001 10:41 AM ET (US) I read all three of these links and I still don't think the question has been answered. I remember my post about not wanting a swim platform (I still don't) and, I'm sorry Bigz I don't find it interesting in the least. No one has ever came back with a post that I would call a solution to the problem, which is a sturdy boarding ladder that will fit in the console. Thus, I think tobycarlson still has valid question and should not be persecuted for asking it.
bigz	posted 08-22-2001 11:22 AM ET (US) Hey Dan, these were only suggestions, no one was persecuting anyone! Toby was just asking for a sturdy one I think and the one post on the Armstrong might fit his situation. Which he certainly could do a "search" for, as I did for the post above. He might try Repairs etc. now that Bear has posted a "swim platform" post which encompasses ladders for the Montauk. Try a "rope" ladder if you want one to fit in your console, would be a suggestion! There was also one I saw which was made of a high impact plastic with hinges, offered in 3 - 4 - 6 step versions and folded compactly together. It mounted on the gunwale with small attaching clips. Sorry don't have a clue who makes it but if I have a chance will do a web search for the source.
triblet	posted 08-22-2001 02:17 PM ET (US) I didn't know the link, but I knew it had been discussed and wouldn't be too hard to find. I am not a search engine. Chuck
whalerron	posted 08-22-2001 04:43 PM ET (US) Boy, you guys are a tough crowd. Toby, try this: http://www.mengo-ind.com/dl.html I have tried a few swim ladders but for a whaler with its slanted hull sides and narrow gunnels, the standard ladders just don't work right. The curvature of the hooks is just too wide. I am wondering if one of DotLine's deck mount ladders shown here would work. Look at model PDM3A. It mighgt require shortening of the hooks and probably adding a rubber or plastic cap to the hook ends. It would also require raising the "stand off" step so that the standoffs would meet the side of the boat. But, this is the closest I have see to a ladder that would be good for a montauk. - ron
daverdla	posted 08-22-2001 05:42 PM ET (US) I called the local whaler dealer about a swim ladder for my 89 montauk. The added wood for the lower bolts was not installed until 199?. They recommended not attaching one. (I have however seen several montauks older than mine with the ladders installed). Dave
whalerron	posted 08-22-2001 11:30 PM ET (US) Sorry, I wasn't as explicit as I should have been. What I meant was that maybe the answer is to buy the deckmount ladder but modify it so that it just hooks over the gunwale and is used like a regular ladder. I am going to try and find one of these ladders and see if this is a viable solution.
Whalerdan	posted 08-23-2001 07:44 AM ET (US) Sounds like we need to start a company and design and build one! Tribet - Nobody asked you to answer in the first place.
Mullet	posted 08-23-2001 10:29 AM ET (US) I would agree with bigz and get a rope ladder or even make one. If you have both sets of rails (bow and gunwale) you have natural handles and would only need a step or two as the gunwale isn't that tall. Plus, if it is portable it makes posting in this section "legitimate" as it isn't a repair or a modification.
lpaton	posted 08-23-2001 03:01 PM ET (US) I built an aluminium ladder with a central srtinger to permit easy use with fins. Injected it with foam so it floats. Works great.Very solid but probably pricy unless you or a buddy welds aluminium. Have the CAD file and mentioned this on a post quite a while ago but nobody ever asked to have it sent.Still available. Laird
Mullet	posted 08-23-2001 03:41 PM ET (US) Try the link below. This is a transom mount which you can mount the bracket above the waterline and the ladder is removable. http://www.boatus-store.com/mc_online/Browse.asp?showitem=38904
lpaton	posted 08-23-2001 04:14 PM ET (US) My ladder is pretty much the same as the one Mullet has linked to. It is removeable and solid. Due to length I strap it to bow rail when not in use. These ladders can normally be raised and kept in place when underway if going is not too rough. Love it.
DCPeters	posted 08-24-2001 01:29 AM ET (US) I saw an interesting ski ladder on the side of a Whaler runabout (had front deck!)today. It mounted to the top of the Gunwale, amidship on port side, hung inside the boat when not in use. Perhaps this is still available from someone.