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bigz posted 08-21-2001 12:24 PM ET (US)   Profile for bigz  
Oh LHG, you can read about how the 1st of next year has gotten moved to Oct. of this year right here --- (had to do it buddy ;})

http://www.boating-industry.com/news.asp?mode=4&N_ID=25007

lhg posted 08-21-2001 02:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom - It sounds as if they may get the big Fichts back on the market before Mercury figures out what's wrong with the big Optimax design, and gets them corrected & repaired.
bigz posted 08-21-2001 02:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Larry, from my sources on the front line, so to speak, appears the 2001 models are pretty much trouble free. Some glitches related to the EMM programming and poor rigging by sloppy dealers cutting corners are where some problems arise. I think Bombardier only had to do some tweaking in the areas mentioned in the article to get the 2002 models on schedule.

We had the starboard engine EMM go,a new one (not just reprogrammed) was back to us in less than 5 days from Bombardier. Happy they are still under warranty!

We are still playing with engine height and props not happy with performance. These were a real butcher job of rigging mistakes by the original NC dealer. Oh well -- we'll get things straightened out soon..

blackdog posted 08-22-2001 08:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
BigZ,
Did you get a chance to try the Ficht software. I haven't but I heard it will not wrok on the 2001's as they need a newer version.
bigz posted 08-22-2001 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
No I didn't Gene, actually there are a number of versions available seemed like everytime a glitch was discovered they issued new software.

My dealer will let me have whatever maybe current if I want it.

Thanks for sending a copy it was appreciated.

Tom

PS off subject --- hope the little bundle od joy is doing well --- :)

bigz posted 08-22-2001 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Gene the diagnostic program remains pretty much the same but the programming continues to change, sorry should have explained my statement better ---
blackdog posted 08-23-2001 05:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
I am getting a better feeling about owning a Ficht engine. Seems like Bomb is getting behind the technology.

Max is Good. Thanks for asking! :)

Gene

bigz posted 08-24-2001 07:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Just saw a letter to "OMC" dealers (actually a fax)on the re-intro of Bombardier J&E motors.

They will not be offering anything in either line below 25 HORSE POWER! No FOUR STROKES will be offered! Appears the Ficht will be their only entry in the "clean up" the emissions field.

The rumor is that eventually the entire line will fall under the Evinrude name, and will made from 25hp up with the Ficht designed injection systems.

Now this under 25 hp situation doesn't impact Whaler motor choices to any great degree, I know.

Just think of all the dealers which depend on motors under 25 hp for their lively hood. There are a slew of them. What this decision has done is leave these dealers and for that matter even the big guys (they to sell small motors) open to take on Nissan, Tohatsu, Suzuki, Yamaha, or Honda!

It appears Bombardier will be eliminating a lot of smaller dealers allowing them still be service operations but not selling ones. Another potential mistake, since a lot of these dealers are the ones thousands depend on at their vacation spots, local lakes and rivers, etc., for service and sales. Now if these dealers are forced to carry under 25hp engines from other manufactures do you really believe they are going to be thrilled just servicing J&E motors under warranty or out -- my guess hardly. Do you think their vacation or local customers are going to drive xxxx miles to buy a J&E outboard or have it serviced -- again hardly --- Do think these dealers will try and eventually switch current customers to their new brand they are forced to take on, whether high or low hp, yes I think they will.

Yamaha has dropped prices in the past year (better statement might be -- become very competitive), they also have opened hundreds of ex-OMC now Bombardier dealers large and small. I would guess Mercury has tried similar, however don't think anywhere near the success Yamaha has had, for the simple reason of the old conflict Merc vs OMC (LHG has pointed out this dialog numerous times)

Here's another kicker Genmar will only offering packaged deals on a lot of their boat lines this coming year. Unlike Mercury which is the one and only choice on their boat lines --- these Genmar boats can be packaged with a Yamaha, Honda, Mercury, or Bombardier product -- now guess which motor package offers the best bang for the buck --- if you answered Yamaha --- bing bang bong --- you are a winner ---

Thought I'd throw out the information for anyone which might be interested in the current goings on in the outboard industry.

(PS: Mercury is set to raise their prices again, is the current scuttle butt for the coming season)

bigz posted 08-24-2001 07:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Like LHG -- HH -- sorry early morning and the eyes don't focus well to proof read -- Z
whalertim posted 08-24-2001 07:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalertim  Send Email to whalertim     
Z you are right! There are allot of people that depend on hp lower that 25 for alot of different reasons. I know there are several local agenices such as fire and rescue that need 8 to 15 for smaller boats for rescue. These same agencies have purchased OMC for years and depend on it. I just purchased a 1996 8hp that came off a rescue doat. It was replaced by a 10 I think. I may be wrong. I am not into marketing, but I feel this is a mistake.
whalertim NC
dgp posted 08-24-2001 07:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
Tom, I thought it was "Bada bing"!
bdb posted 08-24-2001 07:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Cripes you guys! The bow shots are coming from everywhere. Ouch, ouch, ouch.

Harpoon Harry, back into the Groucho disguise.

bigz posted 08-24-2001 08:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
S-aye the magic word and the birdie will----------- (a little cigar smoke please)

HH

Wild Turkey posted 08-24-2001 09:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Wild Turkey  Send Email to Wild Turkey     
bigz...
Am I understanding correctly that Bombardier will be producing only Ficht motors (25 hp and up)?
No standard carbed 2-cycle, like the old Johnson line?
Chris
bigz posted 08-24-2001 09:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
WT -- no, the Johnson line at least for 2002 will still be 25hp to 175 hp (could be wrong here but if I recall 175hp is correct for upper limit) 2 stroke carb models!

The Evinrude line will go from 25hp (this maybe a 3 cylinder Ficht since they had one on the drawing board last year) to 250 hp Ficht injected motors. Tom

lhg posted 08-24-2001 01:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I heard that Bombardier wanted to re-open the OMC arrangement with Suzuki on 4 strokes.

But Suzuki is now being so successful on their own, they would not continue the deal, leaving Bombardier without engines in that important category. My guess is they will have to start from the ground up for a line of 4 stroke outboards.

Kelly posted 08-24-2001 05:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
Regarding the motors less than 25 hp. In my opinion, with internet sales, and country wide or should I say global shipping, motors 25 hp and less are turning into a commodity, and I would guess the margins in most cases are fairly low for the manufacturer and the dealer. As it is, it seems like every time I go into a dealer, they have a few new 10 hp models that are about 2 years old. Yes, there are dealers that sell lots of small motors, but my guess is that if a dealer's primary business is in the 90 to 225 range, they don't sell many 15's. As far as a marketing perspective, I think it is probably a good idea. I think (I hope) Bombadier is trying to say, "We are going focus our resources on making very good technologically advanced and sound outboards, and we feel that 25 hp is the smallest engine size that can economically benefit from this technology." Just my thoughts. Kelly
acseatsri posted 08-24-2001 06:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for acseatsri  Send Email to acseatsri     
At this point, why would anyone even consider buying a new J or E product? Seems to me the damage is irreversible. They'll probably have to almost give the engines away to be competitive.
Kelly posted 08-25-2001 08:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
If they got the bugs worked out, offered a little longer warranty, maybe 5 years, for a while, and made the price competitive, I think that would be a option for my 17'. Good power, good weight, and meets 2006. Right now the 90s for that boat are either too heavy or do not meet 2006. Kelly
Kelly posted 08-25-2001 12:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
There are also other manufacturers that need a lighter power plant in the 90 to 150 hp range to make their boats self bail at rest. Scout for one. Kelly

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