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Bertramp posted 08-25-2001 07:27 AM ET (US)   Profile for Bertramp   Send Email to Bertramp  
have any of you owned both, that could give a comparison in ride and perormance ?
Clark Roberts posted 08-25-2001 07:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
They are both great boats but as different as night and day! The 13 is rated for 6 passengers and is very stable both at rest and at speed and will perform with a wide range of power from 10 to 40 (max rating). The handling on the 13's is outstanding, like it's on rails.. The ride is choppy and harsh and it will take more than you can. The 15, on the other hand, is rated for 5 passengers and is not as stable at rest or at speed as the 13 (due to the deeper V hull)and it is trim sensitive to load distribution both fore and aft and laterally. The 15 will also perform with a wide range of power from 20 to 70hp max rating... with a 70hp it is a brilliant performer with speeds approaching 50mph! Best, and most surprising to some, characteristic of the 15 is it's smooth ride!
It will take you with ease through some nasty chop that would bring some larger boats to a crawl! See my comments about the 15 under "Reference" section. Both are great boats and I have had many of each.. Currently I have a 1960 13 with 20hp Merc with tiller (named Flipper), a 1984 13 with 40 Mariner (named Little Red Riding Hood aka "The Bitch"), and a 15' custom center console with 40 Merc named Killer... Picture of Killer on Cetacea page 28. Hope the above helps... Happy Whalin'... Clark... Spruce Creek Navy
jameso posted 08-26-2001 09:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for jameso  Send Email to jameso     
I too have owned both boats, take the 15, I hear so much on this forum concerning the "unstable" 15 as compared to the 13,,,horseapples! I sold the 13 several years ago or I would do a side by side comparison of the two. Yes the 15 hull is different especially in the stern (see reference pic of jimh's 15)this makes the boat a little sensitive to lateral trim but also gives you that great dry ride. You could probably get into a long technical discussion concerning hull weight vs. gross weigh and a lot of other things, remember that the "V" in a hull is only good if the boat has the weight to push the "V" into the water and the HP to push the hull forward at a speed that achieves lift. IMHO the 15 could probably use a few extra pounds in the keel area, it is a really light weight hull.I can sit on the gunnel of my 15, stand on the bow and fish. what more is needed? Not taking any thing from the 13 a great little craft and if I find another in good condition at a good price my 15 will have a little brother. My two cents worth,,Jim Armstrong
skookum point posted 08-26-2001 09:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for skookum point  Send Email to skookum point     
I agree that the so-called "instability" of the 15 is highly over-rated (or should I say under-rated?). I weigh over 200 lbs and can stand on the gunnel without any worries. Try that with a 15 foot aluminum skiff!
Whenever it gets choppy, I'm glad I have the 15.
Bigshot posted 08-27-2001 10:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I have had 3 13's and 3 15's. The 15 is the wooo! The 13 will rattle fillings and compress spines. The 15 is almost as smooth as a 17 and a blast to drive. My bud had a 13 and traded it in after a week for a 15. He kept the 35hp and he was actually faster than my 13 with a 35 due to the hull design. Get the 15.
Free Willy posted 08-27-2001 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Free Willy  Send Email to Free Willy     
In defense of the 13'. Personally, I couldn't justify a couple of thousand more for a 15' vs a 13' in similar condition.
jameso posted 08-27-2001 02:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for jameso  Send Email to jameso     
Yesterday I put the 15 in the water and spent several hours in a rough chop,,,what some radio stations call a 2 to 3 foot sea. I made one observation about the hull. After I had returned to the marina (protected)I was looking at the boat and realized that both outboard sponsons were about 1/2 inch above the water, this is probably the reason that a lot of people consider the 15 "unstable" at rest, with minimum loading you are dealing with a single v hull, this causes the boat to rock from one sponson to the other and may be the reason for chime walking, esp with a light load and high speeds. A higher speed will raise the center hull above the level of the sponsons. It would be interesting to modify a hull with deeper sponsons. Just thinking,,maybe.
Thanks Jim Armstrong
srd posted 08-27-2001 03:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for srd  Send Email to srd     
See this thread which I have brought back up comparing the realtive merits of the 13 vs the 15 vs the 17.

russellbailey posted 08-27-2001 03:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for russellbailey  Send Email to russellbailey     
I agree with all said about the 15. We have one and like it - much smoother than the 13 we used to have.

Also, our 1980 15' Striper is rated for 7 people, not 5.

Chris posted 08-28-2001 02:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chris  Send Email to Chris     
I am confused here.........are we saying that a 15 with a 35 is faster than a 13 with the same hp. Didn't I also read in one of Clark's comments that a 17 with a 50 is as fast as a 15 with a 50???? While I buy Clark's explanation in reference to the increased flotation and greater hull mass on the surface accounting for the similarity in speed with the 50s, I don't understand how the 15 with the deep V would out perform a lighter 13 that was similar in design to the 17.
Bigshot posted 08-28-2001 09:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Don't ask me. We both had brand new 1982 35hp Johnsons(13-14 years old) and he had me by 1-2mph. As far as a 17 & 15 with 50's....I had a 15 and I believe it did close to 40 if not 40 with a 48SPL. My 60hp did about 43+ and my 70 did abot 47-48.
Flipper posted 08-29-2001 08:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Flipper  Send Email to Flipper     
The 15 is in a different league.
In my opinion, from what I've done
with my 15,(see 'Boat Speed' under 'Performance') it offers more flexibility
for different setups.It planes out with
a 30hp. and moves along (not with 5 people)
but if you want performance with more power,
it "flies" like a bass boat. Get the 15!
Bertramp posted 09-04-2001 01:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bertramp  Send Email to Bertramp     
I got the 15 ...... it doesn't "beat you up" as much as the 13, but the low seating is still an issue. I'm figuring that folding, cushioned seats will probably help a lot.
I lucked on this one .... clean as a whistle and totally original, needing only wood sanding and varnish.
gunnelgrabber posted 09-05-2001 08:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
before this goes cold i'd like to know if the early 13 handles noticeably(perceptibly?) different from a smiley face later model it similar to the difference in early and late 16-17' hulls ?... realize this is pretty esoteric but i'd like to have your opinion. i love the "on rails, solid, can't bury it" feel of an old 13...never ridden in a new improved smirker 13..thoughts, anyone? thanks...lm
dchapp posted 09-05-2001 08:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for dchapp  Send Email to dchapp     
Bigshot posted 09-05-2001 09:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Had a 64 a 79 and an 82. They all drove the same pretty much. The smirks were a tad drier.
gunnelgrabber posted 09-06-2001 11:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
thanks for that.....lm

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