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hardensheetmetal posted 09-02-2001 04:23 AM ET (US)   Profile for hardensheetmetal   Send Email to hardensheetmetal  
I'm not sure if these boats have been brought up before, but, if not, they should have.
http://www.maritimeskiff.com/who/index.html

I am going to be in CT near a dealer next week and plan on checking out their 20D/P. I doubt that they are as 'finished' as BW, but they're philosophy sure does remind me of the way another company we all know used to think.

If nothing more, this might be a great place to purchase Whaler quality replacement consoles and seating. The pilot house console is cooler looking than anything whaler has come up with in the last 10 years. If you can find a close up, look at the hand rails, they seem to be all 1" SS with hidden mounting fasteners, very nicely done.

Dan

DCPeters posted 09-02-2001 10:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for DCPeters  Send Email to DCPeters     
It's been mentioned a few times recently.

I am interested in them too, but they have poor distribution. Would love to hear what you find, especially the pilot house version.

MikeC posted 09-02-2001 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for MikeC  Send Email to MikeC     
I would love to have the model 20-P.I really like the idea of having a little shelter when it gets nasty out.
Macman posted 09-02-2001 10:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Macman  Send Email to Macman     
I checked out a 20' model at the boat builders show here in Maine this past spring. They are basic type boats. I did like the console set up...very nice. Room for plenty of storage, and a portable head as well. I believe that they are built somewhere on Cape Cod. Looked like a nice boat for fishing.
hardensheetmetal posted 09-02-2001 11:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
I would imagine their lack of distrubutors is somewhat akin to Whalers early sales. I think that once a company can prove its worthiness, it then speaks for itself.

Dan

Anchor7 posted 09-03-2001 01:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for Anchor7  Send Email to Anchor7     
I owned the 18' center console, and fortunately the 20' model you looked at addresses a few design issues I had with my boat, although I still liked my 18. The only downside I see is that unlike Whalers, all of the foam floatation is under the floor, so if the Maritime is swamped, in theory it would be more likely to roll or flip over.
bigz posted 09-03-2001 07:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
As a matter of fact the subject of Maritine was first brought up under Neo Classic, and has been mentioned a number of times particularly when folks ask for alternatives based on tight budgets.

Been around since '92, almost 10 years, the hulls are made for them in Maine, and the boats are finished in Mass.

Apparently at least they have some distribution east of the Mississippi. Nothing much out west though they have a dealer in Guam.

Well built utility skiffs and depending the competition your comparing them to, low to mid pricing.

Fisher and company never had the idea per se of a basic utility boat. These folks and even the old BW differ considerable in their thinking and design execution.

They are very well made and a real value for their purpose. Looked at them at two dealers here in NJ (there are 3) pretty thoroughly. Very spartan, low maintenance, not thrilled with the plywood cockpit decking (it works though) low horse power for adequate speed and planing (guess the idea is you'll probably be drifting, trolling, and anchored most times fishing) all in all pretty darn nice. The reason I was looking is that my marina/dealership (good friends) need a boat line in this size and price range. However, Bev at Maritine at present has said she can't open them since one dealer is "only" 30 miles away. Sort of weird since this dealer isn't in the same marketing geographical area doesn't encroach on my marina or visa versa.

If you want a good inland river, bay, near shore utility fishing and gunk hole boat I would say you certainly couldn't do better when price is the question and frankly could name a few which would be a poorer choice.

Like up on the Hudson "hardened", I would think would fit very nicely. Handle the LI Sound well depending on the area.

Anyway it again all depends on your needs and budget. Tom

hardensheetmetal posted 09-03-2001 01:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Tom-
You picked up on the one dislike I had also, the FG over plywood flooring. I am in the process of purchasing a house near Westbrook CT, and am looking for a boat that can 'comfortably' make the run to Block Island. I sold my 22 Revenge and now havew a 17 Montauk. I'm sure the boat will make it, I just know how good the bigger 'V' went through the rough stuff. I was looking for an 18 Outrage when I came accross the Maritimes. The other problem I can forsee is that the dock we will be building at the house does not have much water at MLT, therefore the 11" draft is a plus.(this is also a reason why I was considering the 18 Dauntless with its lesser 'V', but I have since nixed that idea.)

Anchor7 -

Any specific dislikes? what was the flooring like? Non skid? I read where the moved the scuppers down to the floor level on more recent models. How about a warranty?

Dan

Dan

bigz posted 09-03-2001 03:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Dan,

The Pioneer model has a full deck cap and isn't as spartan as some of the models. I saw the Pilot model and thought it was kinda neat. The model which I have only seen in the brochure at one dealer was the new Pioneer Express ( a topless Pilot!) now that with a custom set of Mills canvas -- wow you'd have a pretty nice boat! --- chuckle a full set of Mills with dodger, windshield, flying top, etc would cost as much as the darn boat though -- just kidding. Anyway would like to take a close look and ride in one of those I think ---

Never did Block from CT, I have done it about a half dozen times from Port Jeff LI and once from Greenport LI sailing, it can get occasionally a little "snotty" on that crossing.

Good luck with the new house, always an adventure.

Tom

PS Anchor7, would also be interested in your specific thoughts. On the "roll over" think unlikely since they are relatively wide beam. Appears to be a pretty stable boat then again haven't ridden or driven one yet.

hardensheetmetal posted 09-03-2001 04:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Just to add to the roll over theory, I beleive that the new 34/35 (whatever it is this week) Difiance has a similar stringer/foam sandwich system with no foam in the sides.

Dan

Dan posted 09-03-2001 08:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
I had a recent Maritime catalog. I think the warranty was for 5 years vs Whaler's 10. The Maritime boats offer a variety of consoles, cushions, and accessories -- a sort of mix and match. However, once you set up a boat with a nice selection it gets pretty expensive. I view the Maritimes as the Ikea of boats. I'd rather get a classic Whaler, a newer Whaler or a Grady White -- personally.
Anchor7 posted 09-04-2001 02:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Anchor7  Send Email to Anchor7     
My dislikes from personal experience: 1) My 18' Maritime (same as the current 18) had a rigging tunnel made from 3" PVC pipe, which came out of the floor near the transom quite close to the engine. This meant that the steering cable took some very sharp bends, making the steering unnecessarily stiff. 2) The console mounting surface for the engine remote control was too vertical, making operation more difficult. 3) The above deck gas tank in the console took up too much space, and was hard to fill and see the fuel level. 4) The darkly tinted windshield was hard to see through if seated. 5) The factory Bimini top (made by Fortune Canvas in Maine) mounting method/hardware was not well designed, although the canvas portion was well made.

On the new 20 footers (not the old style 20, which is still made), I would say that Item 1 and 2 would be issues only on the center console version. With hydraulic steering, Item 1 no longer applies. With the cuddy version, Item 1 and 2 do not apply. Item 3 is not applicable because the 20 models have a below deck fuel tank, on the small side, but probably OK with a 4-stroke. The tank is permanently glassed in, not a great idea, although it is plastic and the hoses are accessible. Item 4 is not applicable because the 20s have clear glass windshields. Having said that, the CC version has a very thick window frame, and the top perfectly blocks my field of view while standing (Im 5-10). This is not an issue with the much taller windshield in the CC pilot house version. Item 5 is not applicable with the pilot house version, and the cuddy version has a better, though not perfect canvas design.

What the 18 Maritime did well was plane at low speed (11-12 mph), with low fuel consumption (7 mpg with a Suzuki 70 hp 4-stroke), and a decent, very dry ride. I found the boat also had good sea-keeping manners. I took it out 30 miles on a nice days. I would expect the 20 to be somewhat better in all these areas except fuel economy.

For what it's worth, Maritime switched to pressure treated plywood under the floor (the only structural wood in the boat), sometime in year 2000 production, which may be a consideration if you buy a used one.

wpr posted 09-04-2001 07:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for wpr    
I am pretty sure the following is correct. My understanding is that the person, who started the Maritime Skiffs, originally ran the commercial products division of BW. When BW left Mass, he chose not to. Someone out there may know more about this.
bigz posted 09-04-2001 08:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Anchor 7, thank you for the run down.

A question! It appears that on the Pioneer Express they are using the same console as the Pilot House less top. Is this the case? Would this increase the height of the windshield?

Tom

Anchor7 posted 09-04-2001 10:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for Anchor7  Send Email to Anchor7     
I'm pretty sure that the 20 express has the shorter windshield, so I would have the same issue with visibility, at least for me.

The other thing I forgot to mention is that no reversible pilot seat (RPS) is available from Maritime, a significant oversight in my opinion. Without it, there is no place to sit facing the stern, for fishing, etc. On my 18, I adapted the locking RPS seat back setup from a Whaler Dauntless 14 (purchased the parts from my dealer, which took a lot of work to make it look like it came from the factory, but everyone liked it. This also made it possible to use the RPS as a leaning post by locking the seatback forward when underway, much more comfortable to drive.

hardensheetmetal posted 09-04-2001 06:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Anchor7 - Thanks, I am going to take a look on Sunday, so I appreciate the inside info. Do you remember what the floor looked like (non skid or maybe that resin splatter pattern?)

WPR - check out the link in the original post, it talks about the owner and how he worked at Whaler (as you stated), pretty interesting.

BigZ - It looks like the windsheild for the non cuddy has sloped sides while the cuddy sided are horizontal and go up to the top, I am wondering if this top can support a Raytheon (Raymarine) radome (not just the wieght, but the wind load)?

Dan

DCPeters posted 09-04-2001 07:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for DCPeters  Send Email to DCPeters     
I asked Maritime today about the use of wood in the floor. Got a very quick reply. (They seem to run a very good, responsive company). I got a thorough reply and thought I would post it.

In it he discusses the issue of wood flooring and also floatation in response to my questions.

from Maritime's Paul ____:

"Dear David:

We have NEVER had wood rot problems in any of our Maritimes since we started
producing them in 1992. We think the reasons we've had such a good success
rate with the floors in our boats is the fact that we take the pains to bed
all screw holes for consoles, seats, and so forth with a good sealant
adhesive. Other manufacturers simply screw their consoles down without
bedding and this could lead to problems.
With model year 2000 we switched over to pressure-treated plywood (not
because we were having problems) but because of the marketing appeal of
offering a floor with a lifetime limited warranty. In that same period we
increased our warranty from two years to five.

We think our floor systems are in some ways superior to smooth fiberglass
liners, because after the floor is glassed to the hull and screwed and
glassed to the grid, we then pump foam into all the spaces below. This foam
expands under considerable pressure (that's why we foam while the hull is
still in the mold) pressing against not only the floor but the outside skin
as well. That's why our hulls feel so stiff and run so quiet.
Also the plywood covered with three layers of glass provides excellent
screw-holding power.

The 20D, 20P, and 20C models all are foam filled below the cockpit floor,
just like the smaller series. The only differences are the fuel tank cavity
and the step-down in the floor in the P and C models. Interestingly enough,
both these cavities would enhance stability in a swamped condition because
these flooded spaces would act as ballast.

The 20D, 20P, and 20C do not have cockpit liners and are finished just the
same as our 16's and 18's. They do have a deck cap and a stern splashwell,
which makes them look more finished.

Retail price of the 20P with max. 4-stroke would run between
$28,000-$30,000, depending on options.

We'll be in the Newport, Boston, and Annapolis In-Water Boat Shows, if you
are planning to attend any of these shows.

Let us know if you have any further questions.

Paul"

I think I'll take a look at this some more.

hardensheetmetal posted 09-04-2001 09:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
David-

Great info! I plan on checking the boats out this weekend and I will let you know what i find, let me know if there is anything in particular you might want to know. I have seen several of the 20s used on yachtworld and boattrader, and they seem to run between$10,000 for a 94 to $25,000 for a new 20P model w/ a suzuki 4 stroke.

Just out of curiosity, what is the core of a a Whaler's floor board made of? I know there is some plywood in all the classics floors, what else? foam? doesnt seem like that would have any strength?

Dan

DCPeters posted 09-04-2001 10:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for DCPeters  Send Email to DCPeters     
BTW...I was looking at the brochure...I'd guess that "Paul" is Paul Hureau, the owner.

I think there is wood in the transom of a whaler, but the floor is a molded fiberglass panel with no wood inside. I've seen complaints that this "skin" is quite thin on earlier whalers, and this led to some of the observed problems (chipping, delamination, etc) I am sure there are more knowledgeable folks that will comment.

Eric posted 09-05-2001 12:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eric  Send Email to Eric     
There is wood in the floor of the whalers. Look at the wood locating diagrams in the reference section.
hardensheetmetal posted 09-05-2001 04:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
The wood in a whalers floor is only there to provide a backing plate for screws (ex. at pilot seat bases). Is the reat of the floor solid glass or is there a core?

I would imagine that the Maritimes, as with most boats, have a wood cored transom to provide strength and keep the transom from being crushed by the motor mounting hardware.

Could starboard (whaler-wood) be used for this purpose? I have worked with it on a limited basis, but I am not completely familiar with its structural strength.

Dan

Dan

Bigshot posted 09-05-2001 04:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Most new boats are usind this stuff called Divinicell(sp?) instead of wood. Expensive but will not rot. Cheaper than starboard and waaaay lighter.
Dan posted 09-05-2001 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
You guys have convinced me! Tomorrow I'm calling the classified section of my local newspaper and putting my Whaler up for sale. The second it sells I intend to go to the nearest Maritime dealer and buy their superior product. Pressure treated wood, 10mph or so planing speed, great prices, 5-year warranty -- sweet. Goodbye Whaler, hello Maritime Skiff.
lhg posted 09-05-2001 10:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Yea, I'm with Dan. Just got to get rid of all this Brunswick junk I own.
Dick posted 09-05-2001 10:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
I sold Brunswick bowling balls and pool tables back in the mid 60s. Never had a complaint on quality. I don't have any complaints with my Brunswick Montauk and Mercury either. Think I've got a keeper.
Tsuriki BW posted 09-06-2001 12:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Just don't forget to put on your survival suit before you jump ship!!

Tsuriki

DCPeters posted 09-06-2001 08:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for DCPeters  Send Email to DCPeters     
I wondered how long it'd take to get the sarcasm rolling.

I'm one who believes that it takes competition to drive quality improvements. Complacency is bad. I've seen it in my own company, especially post-acquisition. We have been through four mergers and spinoffs in 10 years too. You lose key employees, relocate production, change the previous focus...Seems to me the factors that I have seen personally, could exist in Whaler land.

Comments thru the various fora (forums?sp?) show that this variable quality and design focus has been observed at Whaler, depending on what conglomerate currently was in charge.

It seems to me, that what Whaler has- most of all - are very committed folks (myself included)who bought in to the mystique of the Whaler. I have studied the brochures, owned boats, espoused the virtues of these boats to more people than I should have, throughout 4 decades (since '73 when I lusted after my first 13'). I just am more confident on the water in a Whaler. It has less to do with high resale value than safety--I don't tend to sell stuff quickly.

It seems to me that Brunswick is a good parent. But it also seems to me that ex-Whaler folks at Edgewater and Maritime are building decent (also safe) products with some unique features that could help drive quality and design improvements for this marketplace. It might also temper some of the annual price increases imposed by marketers.

The 20P is a unique boat with less than universal appeal--a target niche only, but a neat implementation, not seen, or expected, from Whaler.

I'll end by saying that I recognize that this is a Whaler forum, and that our focus should be on Whalers. I think it is...There are times when the best has to be driven to stay there.

bigz posted 09-06-2001 10:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
DCPeters, like you waiting for the "axe" to drop-- !! Ah ha I see it did last night.

Excellent dissertation DC, thoughtful and logical.

A touch more sarcasm if you don't mind ----

LHG just trash your outboard motors, the boats are ok!

There is plywood used as backing on the cockpit deck insert sections of the Outrage, Revenge and the 27's. I wish in some cases Whaler would have used pressure treated plywood instead of marine/exterior plywood! In fact there is a new post under repairs on an 18 might want to read "Dan" of Huntington ;).

Afraid of a little competition -- don't think Whaler has to worry about Maritime. DCPeters makes a very good point on this subject.

It is interesting the owner Paul, who was with Whaler for many many years, developed these skiffs with, I think, a sense of Yankee frugality. These boats do have the benefits of low maintenance, ease of use, and can be powered by lower hp engines still offering decent performance, all of which translates into lower initial cost and operating cost .

BW's on the other hand never were/are a " frugal" purchase. They do offer value for the money primarily because of their perceived safety, potentially high resale value, good performance, and for the most part ease of maintenance. Then in some folks case the "snob" appeal can't be ruled out either---as value added! BW has certainly taken advantage of this "angle" over the years.

Hardened has what appears to be a situation he was/is trying to address which a Whaler may not be the solution. In many cases Whalers aren't the do all boat or the affordable solution, think we all realize it.

A member who happens to be a Whaler owner ask a question particularly on what they should consider, given changes due to new circumstances, other than a Whaler, it should be taken seriously right Greg!

PS Agree with Dick in part --- the Brunswick pool tables were top line, however on the bowling side I question the quality, then again we owned an AMF alley ---- :) ------

Dan posted 09-06-2001 01:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Okay guys, sorry for the sarcasm. I was just trying to have a little fun. I agree with DCPeters. I just checked my e-mail, and there was a letter from a Maritime Skiff dealer who took me seriously. The Maritime Skiffs look like decent boats. However, right now I've got my 17' Whaler set up just the way I like it. For now, I'm very satisfied. Thanks to the people on this forum I've avoided quite a few potentially costly mistakes and gotten much more enjoyment from my Whaler and boating in general. Ford is bringing back a Thunderbird, Chrysler has their PT Cruiser, and I think Whaler could make a "boatload" of money bringing back a few more improved classics -- 18 Outrage to name just one.
lhg posted 09-06-2001 02:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
BigZ - Yes I've thought about getting rid of my Merc 200 EFI's. But as mentioned before, and confirmed by "Juris", there's not much out there in the 200Hp size these days.

200 Fichts? - too much money to serve as Bombardier's testing service. I first want to see if they can perform in the OB market. Too many dealers have been lost and big DFI's have yet to be a proven commodity. And I still can't buy one yet. Maybe next summer? I'll let others take the risk of major financial loss, and loss of boating time, first.

200 Optimaxs - Juris convinced me that would be a mistake. Same comments as above.

200 Yamaha HPDIs - Just saw two at Dealership awaiting repairs for 3 weeks. No way.
Same comments as above.

200 4 stroke - none available, and too heavy for my Whaler.

200 Yamaha EFI's. Only other engine out there. Fine machines, I'm sure. But heavier than my Mercs, and not as powerful from what I can tell. So why bother?

I guess I'll have to stay with my nice and quiet trouble free Mercury EFI's, evil as they are.

Now, what should I do with my Brunswick/Igloo coolers?

OMC collapsed in a sea of bad debts, $800,000,000 worth, causing other bankruptcies, ruining lives, businesses and people's savings, yet Brunswick is the company everybody here loves to hate. I just don't get it.

bigz posted 09-06-2001 02:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Gee whiz Larry no need to get carried away!

Your post above stated getting rid of your "Brunswick stuff" -- well the Merc's are but your boats aren't ;) --- didn't know you had igloo coolers heh heh --- thought maybe Rubbermaid!

Frankly to each is own opinion on what they like or dislike about the current outboard market situation. No sense in rehashing the hash.

Anyway this discussion was on Maritime skiffs until a few started to joke around! No big deal since I think all had been said regarding the subject for present.

However, no sense I think in starting on a "mute" topic with in this topic lots of other posts that have covered the points you refer to.

Keep smiling Larry --- oh there is an interview with Brunswick's CEO over at International Boating News on their Global Plans --- you might find of interest --- Tom

hardensheetmetal posted 09-06-2001 06:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Ya know, I have been brand loyal for over 30 years, not just to Whaler, but to many other companies that I perceived as being what I wanted in a company, starting as a kid with Tonka trucks and moving up into Whalers, Ford trucks, Volvo cars, etc, etc,.. I am a marketers dream. I latch on to a good product and buy, and buy again. i think most of us here are that way, we didn't just go out one day and say to the wife, " I think we will buy a boat today, these boston Whalers look nice, lets get one"

This is the first time inabout 28 years of owning Whalers that I have considered another product (OH LORD FORGIVE ME, I HAVE STRAYED!!!)I think that the Maritimes represent something that I origianlly latched on to in Whalers...' Form follows function'. I don't really see this in some of the new Whalers as much as the Classics (NOTE: I am not trying to start the old/new discussion over again, please do not chastize me for the previous comment) I'm not going to try to rationalize my way into one, but I see almost everything that I love about my Whalers in them, so why not check them out.


Dan

cjd posted 09-07-2001 09:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for cjd  Send Email to cjd     
I am new to this forum and would hate to be despised so early, but here goes.
I will be buying a boat in the next couple months, and had intended to find a great deal on a Montauk or outrage. I grew up with used ski/fishing boats that usually came to the family used, but running. I surf and sail and admire simplicity and functional elegance in a thing. While a whaler is the logical place to fall as look to buy my first "all mine" boat, I have to admit that the skiff ranks right up there. I will be looking at them when the boat show come to Annapolis this October.
I don't say this to disrespect the forum, or because its important that anyone knows what I am thinking. It might be interesting to examine what makes a newcomer looking for safety, functionality, and elegance in design (subjective I know) stray from the world of whalers.
The high cost of used whalers indicates demand which indicates a pretty healthy community, but does whaler need to continue to attract new blood? Does anybody care? Should I quit drinking coffee?
Anchor7 posted 09-07-2001 03:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Anchor7  Send Email to Anchor7     
FYI, Maritimes do not use any wood in the transom, yet the transom on my 18 seemed plenty solid to me.
grandmufti posted 09-09-2001 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for grandmufti  Send Email to grandmufti     
If you are really seeking a low maintenance indestructable boat check out www.logicboats.com
Good prices,unsinkable,no wood,and you can run it into the dock with no damage.
I beat on their hull at the Cleveland boat show with a sledge hammer and all I did was get tired.
fred3 posted 09-14-2001 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for fred3  Send Email to fred3     
This thread caused me to email Maritime with questions I had. The answer was prompt and honest,but more than that, this was the first time in years that any company has shown this sort of concern and care for a potential customer.

On top of that, the company President took the time to post the reply.

I am impressed.

Here are first my questions and the Paul's reply.

From: Fred w Goette <Alarmace@compuserve.com>
To: maritime@mskiff.com <maritime@mskiff.com>
Date: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:29 PM
Subject: Questions


Thanks for sending your catalog. I also visited your website. Very nice and
informative. I am about to begin restoration of my1970 BW Sakonnet / 80
Merc with which you are very familiar. I am also considering j;ust selling
it and getting a Skiff. I have a lot of questions that I hope you will
answer to help me with my decision.

1. I have always mounted a 15 HP 20 inch shaft kicker next to the Merc 80
to get me back just in case something happened to the primary engine.
Getting back is far more important to me than getting out. But from
looking at the photos it would seem there is no easy way to mount an
auxiliary engine. Is there a solution?

2. I could find no mention of any tunnel in which to route the steering,
throttle, fuel, etc lines to the stern. But I have read on other sites that
the design may cause overly acute angles for the steering (if mechanical)
cable thus cramping it. Is this true?

3. Some people have questioned the strength of the MS transom since the
catalog says it is foam. The BW, to the best of my knowledge is marine
plywood inside fiberglass. What is the MS transom made of and what makes it
strong enough to handle 100 HP+ engines and aux engines?

4. The extreme tides on the Georgia coast often require launching by
lifting the boat from the trailer with a crane rather than backing down a
ramp and floating the boat off. Sometimes the crane may be 20 to 30 feet
above the water. Is there hardware on the hull sufficient to allow this
maneuver without damage to anything?

5. Your consoles are unique and very functional. They really make your boat
in my opinion. I wonder what sort of "glass" you use. Is it laminated
safety, tempered, plate or perhaps some type of plastic?

6. I have habitually taken my BW through the inlet at Panama City, FL when
commercial 35 footers were turning back. And I have fished when in the
trough I could not see other boats including 45 foot Bertrams. Do you feel
the MS could equal this?

7. What sort of lighing is included on the boats or is that some sort of
extra. Partiularly interested in the bow and stern lights.

Thank you for your reply.

Fred Goette
P O Box 4447
Macon, GA 31208

478-746-1372


Dear Fred:

Thanks for your inquiry. Even before I went to work for Whaler, I owned a
Nauset model with a 55 Fisher-Pierce four-stroke outboard. It had the old
blue interior and I loved the look of the varnish. We'll answer your
questions in the order asked.

1. Over the last five years I've seen a dramatic decline in the use of pony
motors. I think that's because the new breed of four strokes have become so
dependable that the need for added security is slowly disappearing. The
only way to mount a pony motor on our boats is to use a small motor bracket
or have a good glass shop cut away the upper port side of the transom.
Sounds dramatic, but it's easy. My inclination, however, is to try doing
without the pony motor if you can.

2. The tunnel in our boats is three inches deep and five inches wide. It's
molded as a trough in the starboard grid structure, which is about 12 inches
wide. The trough is capped with fiberglass and the pressure treated
fiberglass floor is then bonded to the top of the grid. The tunnel is about
20 inches to the right of centerline. Control cables and steering both take
an easy curve to the motor. The site you were referring to was for some of
our older Maritimes which had a small 2-1/2" PVC pipe molded down the
centerline. We only used this design for less than a year before we changed
over to our current system, which incidentally has its own tunnel drain plug
in the transom.

3. Our transoms have always used a proprietary core system made from
various fiberglass components. We've been very fortunate that we've never
had a transom failure, either by rotting or structural failure, and we use
the same laminate schedule for the 16, 18, and 20 footers. When I was with
Whaler they were using plywood inside the transom as a core. I decided not
to use this in Maritimes because of the rot potential and because the
plywood could compress over years of service. Also our transoms are curved,
which enhances its strength versus a flat panel.

4. Our bow and stern eyes are 1/2" stainless U-bolts. On the transom you
might want to screw on eye nuts, like the Whaler, so that stern lifting
slings could lift straight up. The bow is a little more difficult because
the eye nuts are inside the bow platform. You would have to utilize some
after-market lifting hardware to be able to attach a lifting hook forward.

5. We use three types of "glass" in our console windshields. The 32"
console has a 1/4" thick Plexiglas windshield. It's a little unique because
of its soft mounting system which has proven to substantially reduce
breakage. Our 50" console and our Pioneer models utilize 1/4" laminated
safety glass. We use this because it's easy to source and install, but more
importantly very easy to replace in the field should it be broken by a rock
while trailering. Our 20 Classic model utilizes 1/4" tempered safety glass.

6. While at Whaler all my personal consignment boats were 17 Montauks or
Guardians. Based on my experiences with those boats and comparing their
performance against a Maritime 16, 18, or 20, I think you'd find our boats
to be equally seaworthy. Freeboard is higher forward, our bows are rounded
like Whalers to provide increased reserve buoyancy, we have more flare in
the bow sections for both buoyancy and dryness, and our wide 6" chines
produce a very dry running boat. Also the wide waterline beam (77 inches)
and relatively shallow draft actually provides more stability than you're
experiencing in your Sakonnet. Should you swamp in the inlet, and this is
always possible, we have sufficient flotation in the hull to keep the
outboard powerhead above water, the same as you have in your Whaler.

7. Navigation lights have been standard on all Maritimes for the past three
years. We use an Attwood stainless steel bow light, and an Attwood 60" tall
stern light with "reduced glare lenses". What's unique about our lighting
system is the fact that we use Airpax military style breakers and nothing
but the highest quality tin copper wiring.

Hope all this helps. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to
give us a call at 781-934-0010.

Paul Hureau


The_Ox posted 09-14-2001 03:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for The_Ox  Send Email to The_Ox     
A nice reply from the Company, very nice indeed. I have looked at MS's in my area (RI) and they are nice boats. Would I get one, if the price is right I would consider it. They do have the Whaler look and feel and I do agree there consols are real nice.
george nagy posted 09-14-2001 05:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
Do you think they would sell just the console?
hardensheetmetal posted 09-14-2001 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
I did get a chance to check out a 20D last Sunday at Atlantic O/B in Westbrook, CT. The boat was as I expected, somewhat utilitarian compared to a Whaler, but seemed very strong. The boat had some nice water tight storage in the bow and stern.

I to received a very quick and curtious response from Paul regarding the construction of these boats as well as some of the options offered. I am travelling to the Newport, RI boat show this weekend and will further talk to him there.

Dan

GAwhale posted 09-14-2001 08:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for GAwhale  Send Email to GAwhale     
I got a chance to check out three of these boats up close on the dock at Rockport, MA on my extended vacation. One 18 footer and two 20 footers. This boat ain't no Whaler. The sides seemed quite thin. The interior fiberglass is quite rough and coated with gray paint. It had lots of room and a neat looking leaning post.

One of the boats belonged to a lobsterman. It's probably very affordable. From my experience lobstermen can't afford a pricey Whaler.

The_Ox posted 09-14-2001 08:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for The_Ox  Send Email to The_Ox     
I don't think they are that cheap as far as price is concerned. Does anyone here know any prices for these boats. I do agree with GAwhale that they are not up to Whaler quality but very nice compared to the rest.
hardensheetmetal posted 09-14-2001 10:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
I agree completely, to compare this boat to a Whaler is not apples to apples, but the thought behind them and their hisoritical link to whalers is interesting. I know of no other boat, including Edgewater that reminds me of the way Whaler once was.

Dan

Anchor7 posted 09-15-2001 01:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Anchor7  Send Email to Anchor7     
For those interested, you can buy just the console or leaning post from a Maritime dealer without buying the boat. In fact, there are many different seats, consoles, etc. available, all listed on a standard price sheet, which a dealer can fax to you. You can also price the whole boat this way, as the list includes hull prices. The Maritime costs a lot less than a Whaler, but more than some other "skiff" type boats.
FISHNFF posted 09-16-2001 01:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for FISHNFF  Send Email to FISHNFF     
FYI, putting a Whaler together piece by piece is still very affordable, especially if you are willing to do some work yourself. I purchased my 17' bare hull (Alert) in 1998 for $4895. I priced a Guardian console out for a little over a grand delivered with windshield and SS handrail (will order Monday). Custom welded SS railings were about $600. The 90 Merc 4S was $6595 in Dec.2000. Fuel tank, battery, guages, steering, prop and controls for about $1.5k. A fully loaded (jack, guides, fender guards, spare, extnded tongue,monoleaf springs)Pacific galvanized trailer was $1700 in 1999. Total around $17k, with you doing all the labor. And they want how much for a Montauk!
barrell posted 09-20-2008 03:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for barrell  Send Email to barrell     
test...................
barrell posted 09-20-2008 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for barrell  Send Email to barrell     
I have owned a 20p for two years now. I owned a 82 whaler montauk that I bought new prior to this boat. The maritime 20p is the best and driest ride Ive ever experienced. I have the 115 hp Suzuki on it and can maintain 31 knots at 5900rpm's getting 5.5 mpg. The boat is so dry even offshore that a drop of water inside the cockpit or on the windshield is a rare event. I run it over 30 miles off the NJ coast dozens of times a season yet can cut through narrow creeks in the back. All my tackle atays locked down below in the cabin. Acess to wiring is as easy as sitting on the cushions in the cabin. Hardware is all top of the line. I did not like that the noin slip started to wear after a year but a gallon of DRY-BECK solved all that.
PR_Flak posted 10-02-2008 03:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for PR_Flak    
Just saw the new Maritimes at the Boston in-water boat show courtesy of a nice guy from Enos Marine who took some time to chat with my father and I.

Color me impressed. I had no idea what to expect, as I had never heard of or seen the boats before today, but upon boarding and poking around, I immediately thought -- "Wow, this makes me feel the way I USED to feel about new Whalers!!" (this after perusing some $100k+ outrages at the show, of course).

I suppose this all makes sense since they are designed by a former Whaler designer.

Seems like a real solid boat -- great use of space, clever design and it's flat-out more affordable... They have a great "MAine" look to them and from what I hear, they are very efficient.

Now, I'll never give up my classic late 60s 13' whaler, but for the upgrade to a family boat, Maritime is a real front-runner now, and I am shocked! I want one bad...

Treypescatorie posted 10-02-2008 05:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Treypescatorie  Send Email to Treypescatorie     
I was looking at the 1480 skiff. The boat looks rock solid. I would love to have this as a second boat. It has a nice wide beam for a 14 footer.
Paul
hardensheetmetal posted 10-02-2008 11:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Wow, what a blast from the past...seven years ago.

Anyway, in the years following my intial post, I owned a 20 (not the D or the P, the lower model), and then later a 16.

They were fun boats, especially the 20. The 16 was a slightly older boat, maybe 1995 and had some water intrusion problems. It was powered by a 50 Honda, which was pretty normal for the boat although I think it could legally handle a 70. Anyway, It could barely plane until afetr I put it in my garage for the winter, tilted the bow up to the rafters and drilled numerous holes in the transom. I sold that boat a few years after buying it.

I had the pleasure of meeting the owners if the company and would make it a yearly rituual of stopping by to say hi at the Newport boat show. Very nice people. I read that they have since sold the company.

Dan

Newtauk1 posted 10-03-2008 12:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1  Send Email to Newtauk1     
could you expand more on the water intrusion?
hardensheetmetal posted 10-03-2008 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Newtauk-

I think it was from a poorly bedded transducer that the previous owner had installed. there were also some small open screw holes in the deck where water could have gotten into the plywood cored flooring.

I never weighed the boat but I did try to move it by hand in the garage and it was really heavy, way so more than a 17' Whaler.

Dan

PR_Flak posted 10-03-2008 11:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for PR_Flak    
did they switch from a wood core to a fg core? they say on their site its all fiberglass. just wondering if you know anything about this.
hardensheetmetal posted 10-04-2008 01:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
While I have not been to up on them lately, i was under the imptression that they all had fiberglass over plywood decks.

Maybe the newer models are made in a different manner. I don't theink the older boats are bad, one just needs to be diligent about checking for water intrusion. I would think that the best way to do this would be to weigh the boat and compare the findings to the specifications for thst years boat.

Dan

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