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Revenge Envy posted 09-05-2001 06:17 PM ET (US)   Profile for Revenge Envy   Send Email to Revenge Envy  
I grew up with 13's and 17's and piloted a 25' for years while working for a local Harbormaster. I now have a 30 Catalina sloop, but am thinking about trading over to an 80's vintage 25 revenge. I checked out a 22' and thought that the cabin was too small to use as an effective weekender (compared to what I'm used too with the sloop). So, I'm left with some questions that maybe someone could help with:

I sometimes see the 25's listed as Walk throughs, walkarounds, and full cabins. Did whaler make three versions over the years? What are the differences in the cabin room?

I'm a little scared of twins for maintenance/costs issues. The 25' Frontier that I piloted did OK with a single 225, should I be concerned about under powering a 25 revenge with only a single ob? I'd be happy with a 25 knot cruise and a 35 knot top. What about a single 200?

Are there any years or models of the revenge I should avoid? Are there any "musts" if I'm planning on using this as a weekender? Did any of the 25's come with a holding tank vs the porta potties?
thanks
-john
-Falmouth MA


Peter posted 09-05-2001 08:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
John,

I think that the 22' Revenge Walk Thru (WT) and the 25' Revenge WT share the same cabin cap. So you might find also the 25 Revenge cabin too small although both offer a 7' V-berth. I personally like the WT over the previous version of the Revenge both in terms of its looks and its function. The WT is a bit sleeker and allows quick access to the bow via a set of sliding stairs that bridge the companionway. I believe that the WT was introduced in 1985.

Whaler also made a 25' Walkaround which I believe is constructed on a different hull than the Revenge. I think the 25 Walkaround has a wider beam.

I've not heard of a 25' Full Cabin. Perhaps someone else can confirm whether such an animal ever existed.

Barry posted 09-05-2001 10:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
I believe that they made at least 3 versions of the Revenge 25.

1981(?)-1984 Revenge 25 - (although I think the cap/cabin design changed somewhat after the first couple of years). Access to the bow was through the hatch in the cabin.

1985-1990 Revenge 25 Walk-Though. Access to the bow was up the stairs and through the folding windshield.

1987 (only 1 year?) Revenge 25 Walkaround (not to be confused with the 1990-1991 25 Walkaround with 9'6" beam or the 1992-1993 23 Walkaround). Access to the bow was via walk ways on either side. This version had a taller cap/cabin (standup headroom?).

And of course there were OB, IO, and WD versions of most of those.

Revenge Envy posted 09-06-2001 02:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Revenge Envy  Send Email to Revenge Envy     
Wow, that's a bummer if the cabin on the 22 is the same as the 25. I found an 1986 25 with no engines (based on what you guys have said, it must be a WT), I thought it was a fair asking price at $9,500, so I was going to check it out, but I'm dissappointed if it has the same cabin layout as the 22. I know that the 27 would be different, but I don't want (nor can I afford) that much boat. One of the reasons I want to get away from the sloop is that I'm tired of paying marina bills for hauling and storing and I'd still need that with a '27.
Bigshot posted 09-06-2001 03:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Not sure but go look. It might be different. $9500 seems fair if clean and has trailer.
lhg posted 09-06-2001 04:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
The cabin on the 25 WT Revenge will be bigger than the 22, simply because the boat is bigger. It seems as though the basic cabin shell mold was the same, as mentioned above, but the on the 25 the shell was widened for the wider hull width. The hull part of the boat is just plain larger & deeper. Check one out before you decide you don't want one.

But for the biggest cabin, find a 25' Walkaround 8' beam hull. These were made from about 1983-1990. They have a distinctive raised bow gunwale detail that is part of the cabin shell. T Birdsey on this site is looking for one of these, and is quite familiar with the model.

jimh posted 09-06-2001 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The Revenge series shares the exact same cabin layout in the 20 and 22, as the hulls are the same beam. I think the 25 Revenge might have a wider cabin since it is based on the wider 25-foot hull. I don't think it has a longer cabin, or if it does it is not much longer. Most of the extra room was put into the cockpit area of the 25 Revenge.

The Walk-Through model is very slick. The Mills canvas is designed to allow you to clear the flying top when walking up the stairs to the bow. We find it to be a big advantage these days to have the added height of the bow deck for getting up to the deck-height of these docks on the Great Lakes (which are now all sitting about six feet above the water).

Peter posted 09-06-2001 06:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
When I was looking for a Revenge WT, I looked at both the 22 and 25. My impression was that the cabin was about the same size for both boats but that the cockpit was quite a bit larger in the 25 -- clearly about two feet longer and just a little bit wider (7"). Comparing pictures of the exterior of the two in a 1980s catalog, I would say that the cabin shell structure appears to be exactly the same for both except that on the 25 the lip where it mates with the hull is wider. On the 25 it is wide enough to have a mid-ship cleat (shown in catalog picture) adjacent the shear whereas on the 22 it clearly is not wide enough. That leads me to believe that the shell is substantially the same volume from shell up for both, but the lip was widened to fit the 25. If the interior volume is greater on the 25, it wasn't noticable. After comparing the two and deciding that the cabins were essentially the same, I decided to go with the 22, primarily because it is easier to trailer and the 22's cockpit is big enough for my purposes.
jimh posted 09-07-2001 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
You description of the 25-Revenge sounds correct. Perhaps the same tooling was used to make the cabintop molds for all three sizes (20-22-25).

It is quite interesting to compare a REVENGE to an OUTRAGE and see how the various components of the turtle mold are converted from one purpose to another between the two boats.

You wonder if the OUTRAGE's bow, which was produced first, was intentionally designed to accommodate some elements that would later be used in the REVENGE's cabin.

--jimh

Barry posted 09-07-2001 06:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
Check out this listing for a 25 Revenge Walkaround

http://yachtworld.com/listing/yw_listing_detail.jsp?checked_boats=832274¤cy=USD&units=Feet

tbirdsey posted 09-08-2001 12:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
I'm quite familiar with the boat referenced above, having seriously considered it this summer. Let me know if you are interested - I have additional photos.

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