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george nagy posted 09-06-2001 08:11 PM ET (US)
What do you guys think of buying a 1998 evinrude 150hp ocean pro without a warranty?
It is brand new in the box, never started. What are the risks here? What if the motor is damaged from sitting too long?
The deal is cash and carry!
Any thoughts?

lhg posted 09-06-2001 08:20 PM ET (US)
George- I know you're not a Mercury fan, but considering where you are, you can go down to Sundance and get an equivalent 2001 Merc Carb 150 for $6800, with one yr warranty. So compare what the guy wants for it with that,
add on the cost of a one yr after market warranty, and make your decision. Also check out on NADA what a 1998 150 OMC is worth, since you will lose that amount immediately after you open the box.
Will parts be available?
This sounds like a Bigshot type deal.
If the price is really LOW enough, go for it. Otherwise not. I hear it's a pretty good engine, however.
george nagy posted 09-06-2001 08:34 PM ET (US)
LHG, not that mercs aren't my type of motor its the added cost of rerigging etc... I did call sundance and they were over that price you are quoting. The engine I'm looking at is priced where a 1998 USED 150 evinrude should be according to NADA anyway! I know the depreciation equation but my current rig is 14 years old so if I keep this new rig for half that much I'm sure I'd get a decent price. Perhaps more importantly I'm sure I would be happy with its performance factoring in usage is pretty high all year round down here. Which reminds me when are you headed down? Maybe you can help mE rig the new motor, or do you not touch OMC.Only fooling!
The only thing hanging me up at this point is the since I can't see it run befor purchasing it with no warranty what if something is out of wack some how? Maybe I will ask for a 30day thing since it being sold by a fairly large dealer.
lhg posted 09-06-2001 08:40 PM ET (US)
Sorry about the price misquote. Mine was for their 2001 models. I'll bet the 2002's are now out. Also try Bass Pro in Lauderdale.
I'll be down around Thanksgiving.
Dick posted 09-06-2001 08:53 PM ET (US)
Parts for the Evinrude should be no problem at all. Dealers can sell an aftermarket warranty dirt cheap if they want to, they are a big profit center. Bend their arm a little.
It should be a good reliable engine, this coming from a Merc fan.
Eric posted 09-06-2001 09:58 PM ET (US)
One big factor: this is a Ficht motor, and the 98 models were the worst ones. You need to find out if any recalls would apply. A lot of these blew powerheads before they went 300 hours. I don't know if OMC was upgrading them all under recall or waiting for warranty claims to fix them, but these were BAD motors. The problems with the early Fichts were one of the last nails in the bankruptcy coffin for OMC. If the motor has been upgraded with the corrections to the technology, or those changes are available to you without having to buy a new powerhead after it blows, then this could be an OK gamble (if you're into gambling). Otherwise, I'd advise looking for a different leftover, there's other brands out there. In summer of 2000 I bought a 99 Johnson 90 for my 17, but that was old technology (carbed). It's been a fine motor, but hasn't got a lot of hours yet (33).
I'm a Johnson/Evinrude fan from way back, by the way.
lhg posted 09-06-2001 10:21 PM ET (US)
Not knowing OMC's very well, I thought the Ocean Pro's were carburated 2 strokes, the old technology. If it's a 1998 Ficht, I agree, stay away. Life is too short for a risk like that. Almost every one made blew up!
Tom W Clark posted 09-06-2001 10:32 PM ET (US)
Now wait just a second. I'm confused. I also thought the Ocean Pros were conventional carburated models. I know they made a Ficht model in '98 (there's a new '98 Johnson Ficht for sale here in Seattle at Jaconsen's Marine for $6995) but I assumed the Ocean Pro or Ocean Runner was the different model.
If the motor George is looking at is the later, then go for it. Warranties are essentially marketing tools. They don't mean much about the product itself. If you want a warranty, do as Dick suggests, and buy one. If the motor is a Ficht, then even I (the king of the OMC lovers) would be wary.
Dick posted 09-06-2001 10:46 PM ET (US)
Good point Tom, not being an OMC man I had forgot that the FICHTS were available in 1998. But I am with you that the conventional carburated model should be a great engine.
george nagy posted 09-06-2001 11:19 PM ET (US)
It is NOT a ficht! It is a carb! Where can I get a warranty elsewhere?
blackdog posted 09-07-2001 09:02 AM ET (US)
The Dealer sells them. Probably expensive. I think I paid around $1000 for my 2+2 115 2001 Ficht warranty. Picks up after OMC ops- Bomb warranty period of 2 years - Third Party Company.
I think that�s a pretty solid engine.
How cheap is cheap? There may be some diminished resale value. Not may, most likely
hauptjm posted 09-07-2001 09:10 AM ET (US)
George is correct, OceanPro (Evinrude) and Oceanrunner (Johnson) of this vintage were conventional carbed 2-strokes. I have the '95 version. It might be one of the most reliable engines ever produced in the outboard industry, specific to the 150hp version. I've talked to numerous dealers and guides in the Florida panhandle, and without hesitation, they LOVE this engine. Because the guides are a very pragmatic group, if replacing an engine today, they all seem to like the old fashioned, carbed 150 Mercury, another design that's been around a long time. Loyalty to this group, is the engine that will get them and their clients to the fish and back. As a side note, the common comment was if they could avoid going to anything larger than a 150hp engine they would. Something magical about the reliability at 150 or below.
Bigshot posted 09-07-2001 09:52 AM ET (US)
Sounds like a Larry deal to me:)
JFM posted 09-07-2001 10:40 AM ET (US)
With all the negative comments I've heard on all the new fuel injected motors. I feel more confident with the 2 stroke carb 90 Yamaha on my Montauk than I would with anything else. I would jump on that Oceanrunner 150 at a good price. If the container is intact what could be wrong with it. Regards, Jay
lhg posted 09-07-2001 11:27 AM ET (US)
Jay - dont' confuse EFI (electronic fuel injection- like our cars) with DFI (Digital fuel injection)
The EFI's are super reliable, the DFI's not so, at least not yet.
JFM posted 09-07-2001 11:46 AM ET (US)
Larry, I would like to Know the difference not being a mechanical kind of guy. Thanks, Jay
lhg posted 09-07-2001 01:52 PM ET (US)
I will need help here! The DFI's (the "D" can also mean "direct") use a burst of air to inject fuel directly into the cylinders,
under high pressure, resulting in the clean burning 2 stroke engines. These are the Ficht, Optimax and HPDI branded engines, and most have had some problem or other, particularly in the 200HP and up versions. So far, it appears the Mercury 135/150 Optimax's seem to be the most trouble free.
In EFI, the fuel injection system replaces the conventional carburators, and is only slightly cleaner burning and fuel efficient.
But the overall performance, throttle response, ease of starting, etc, is superior to a carburated engine. Both the Mercury and Yamaha models are extremely trouble free.
Mine have been excellent.
dgp posted 09-07-2001 01:52 PM ET (US)
Actually, the term DFI means direct fuel injection such as the Mercury OptiMax, OMC/Bombardier's Ficht or Yamaha's HPDI. These systems inject fuel directly into the combustion chamber like a diesel engine.
The Mercury EFI's that Larry keeps refering to are port fuel injected using electronically controlled injectors, in other words the fuel is injected into the intake port prior to entering the combustion chamber.
Eric posted 09-07-2001 01:54 PM ET (US)
I hadn't realized that this was a carb motor. Sorry to have confused the issue. OMC made all of the evinrudes ficht motors and all of the Johnsons carb motors, but it looks like that didn't apply till 99. Buy it!
I love my carbed 99 Johnson 90.
dgp posted 09-07-2001 02:01 PM ET (US)
Larry, I wasn't trying to paraphrase what you said. I guess we were typing at the same time, you just hit the submit key faster. Don

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Author	Topic: omc no warranty!
george nagy	posted 09-06-2001 08:11 PM ET (US) What do you guys think of buying a 1998 evinrude 150hp ocean pro without a warranty? It is brand new in the box, never started. What are the risks here? What if the motor is damaged from sitting too long? The deal is cash and carry! Any thoughts?
lhg	posted 09-06-2001 08:20 PM ET (US) George- I know you're not a Mercury fan, but considering where you are, you can go down to Sundance and get an equivalent 2001 Merc Carb 150 for $6800, with one yr warranty. So compare what the guy wants for it with that, add on the cost of a one yr after market warranty, and make your decision. Also check out on NADA what a 1998 150 OMC is worth, since you will lose that amount immediately after you open the box. Will parts be available? This sounds like a Bigshot type deal. If the price is really LOW enough, go for it. Otherwise not. I hear it's a pretty good engine, however.
george nagy	posted 09-06-2001 08:34 PM ET (US) LHG, not that mercs aren't my type of motor its the added cost of rerigging etc... I did call sundance and they were over that price you are quoting. The engine I'm looking at is priced where a 1998 USED 150 evinrude should be according to NADA anyway! I know the depreciation equation but my current rig is 14 years old so if I keep this new rig for half that much I'm sure I'd get a decent price. Perhaps more importantly I'm sure I would be happy with its performance factoring in usage is pretty high all year round down here. Which reminds me when are you headed down? Maybe you can help mE rig the new motor, or do you not touch OMC.Only fooling! The only thing hanging me up at this point is the since I can't see it run befor purchasing it with no warranty what if something is out of wack some how? Maybe I will ask for a 30day thing since it being sold by a fairly large dealer.
lhg	posted 09-06-2001 08:40 PM ET (US) Sorry about the price misquote. Mine was for their 2001 models. I'll bet the 2002's are now out. Also try Bass Pro in Lauderdale. I'll be down around Thanksgiving.
Dick	posted 09-06-2001 08:53 PM ET (US) Parts for the Evinrude should be no problem at all. Dealers can sell an aftermarket warranty dirt cheap if they want to, they are a big profit center. Bend their arm a little. It should be a good reliable engine, this coming from a Merc fan.
Eric	posted 09-06-2001 09:58 PM ET (US) One big factor: this is a Ficht motor, and the 98 models were the worst ones. You need to find out if any recalls would apply. A lot of these blew powerheads before they went 300 hours. I don't know if OMC was upgrading them all under recall or waiting for warranty claims to fix them, but these were BAD motors. The problems with the early Fichts were one of the last nails in the bankruptcy coffin for OMC. If the motor has been upgraded with the corrections to the technology, or those changes are available to you without having to buy a new powerhead after it blows, then this could be an OK gamble (if you're into gambling). Otherwise, I'd advise looking for a different leftover, there's other brands out there. In summer of 2000 I bought a 99 Johnson 90 for my 17, but that was old technology (carbed). It's been a fine motor, but hasn't got a lot of hours yet (33). I'm a Johnson/Evinrude fan from way back, by the way.
lhg	posted 09-06-2001 10:21 PM ET (US) Not knowing OMC's very well, I thought the Ocean Pro's were carburated 2 strokes, the old technology. If it's a 1998 Ficht, I agree, stay away. Life is too short for a risk like that. Almost every one made blew up!
Tom W Clark	posted 09-06-2001 10:32 PM ET (US) Now wait just a second. I'm confused. I also thought the Ocean Pros were conventional carburated models. I know they made a Ficht model in '98 (there's a new '98 Johnson Ficht for sale here in Seattle at Jaconsen's Marine for $6995) but I assumed the Ocean Pro or Ocean Runner was the different model. If the motor George is looking at is the later, then go for it. Warranties are essentially marketing tools. They don't mean much about the product itself. If you want a warranty, do as Dick suggests, and buy one. If the motor is a Ficht, then even I (the king of the OMC lovers) would be wary.
Dick	posted 09-06-2001 10:46 PM ET (US) Good point Tom, not being an OMC man I had forgot that the FICHTS were available in 1998. But I am with you that the conventional carburated model should be a great engine.
george nagy	posted 09-06-2001 11:19 PM ET (US) It is NOT a ficht! It is a carb! Where can I get a warranty elsewhere?
blackdog	posted 09-07-2001 09:02 AM ET (US) The Dealer sells them. Probably expensive. I think I paid around $1000 for my 2+2 115 2001 Ficht warranty. Picks up after OMC ops- Bomb warranty period of 2 years - Third Party Company. I think that�s a pretty solid engine. How cheap is cheap? There may be some diminished resale value. Not may, most likely
hauptjm	posted 09-07-2001 09:10 AM ET (US) George is correct, OceanPro (Evinrude) and Oceanrunner (Johnson) of this vintage were conventional carbed 2-strokes. I have the '95 version. It might be one of the most reliable engines ever produced in the outboard industry, specific to the 150hp version. I've talked to numerous dealers and guides in the Florida panhandle, and without hesitation, they LOVE this engine. Because the guides are a very pragmatic group, if replacing an engine today, they all seem to like the old fashioned, carbed 150 Mercury, another design that's been around a long time. Loyalty to this group, is the engine that will get them and their clients to the fish and back. As a side note, the common comment was if they could avoid going to anything larger than a 150hp engine they would. Something magical about the reliability at 150 or below.
Bigshot	posted 09-07-2001 09:52 AM ET (US) Sounds like a Larry deal to me:)
JFM	posted 09-07-2001 10:40 AM ET (US) With all the negative comments I've heard on all the new fuel injected motors. I feel more confident with the 2 stroke carb 90 Yamaha on my Montauk than I would with anything else. I would jump on that Oceanrunner 150 at a good price. If the container is intact what could be wrong with it. Regards, Jay
lhg	posted 09-07-2001 11:27 AM ET (US) Jay - dont' confuse EFI (electronic fuel injection- like our cars) with DFI (Digital fuel injection) The EFI's are super reliable, the DFI's not so, at least not yet.
JFM	posted 09-07-2001 11:46 AM ET (US) Larry, I would like to Know the difference not being a mechanical kind of guy. Thanks, Jay
lhg	posted 09-07-2001 01:52 PM ET (US) I will need help here! The DFI's (the "D" can also mean "direct") use a burst of air to inject fuel directly into the cylinders, under high pressure, resulting in the clean burning 2 stroke engines. These are the Ficht, Optimax and HPDI branded engines, and most have had some problem or other, particularly in the 200HP and up versions. So far, it appears the Mercury 135/150 Optimax's seem to be the most trouble free. In EFI, the fuel injection system replaces the conventional carburators, and is only slightly cleaner burning and fuel efficient. But the overall performance, throttle response, ease of starting, etc, is superior to a carburated engine. Both the Mercury and Yamaha models are extremely trouble free. Mine have been excellent.
dgp	posted 09-07-2001 01:52 PM ET (US) Actually, the term DFI means direct fuel injection such as the Mercury OptiMax, OMC/Bombardier's Ficht or Yamaha's HPDI. These systems inject fuel directly into the combustion chamber like a diesel engine. The Mercury EFI's that Larry keeps refering to are port fuel injected using electronically controlled injectors, in other words the fuel is injected into the intake port prior to entering the combustion chamber.
Eric	posted 09-07-2001 01:54 PM ET (US) I hadn't realized that this was a carb motor. Sorry to have confused the issue. OMC made all of the evinrudes ficht motors and all of the Johnsons carb motors, but it looks like that didn't apply till 99. Buy it! I love my carbed 99 Johnson 90.
dgp	posted 09-07-2001 02:01 PM ET (US) Larry, I wasn't trying to paraphrase what you said. I guess we were typing at the same time, you just hit the submit key faster. Don