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LKS posted 09-25-2001 05:52 PM ET (US)   Profile for LKS   Send Email to LKS  
Over the past week, many people on this forum have posted topics about WTC related news, so I pass this info FYI. It came through our tech support desk at work today, so I feel fairly confident in its validity.

They stated: "The anti-virus sites haven't released any info about this virus yet, but other technology sites have been receiving reports of a new virus. It's using peoples interest in keeping up on the news of the recent terrorist attacks.

It's a virus that affects Windows users, but can be forwarded by Mac users as well. This virus comes with an attacment that ends in .exe ... It's an infection waiting to happen.

Please look out for the following:

Subject: "FW: Peace between America and Islam."
Message Body: Hi. It is a war against America or Islam. Lets vote to live in peace"
Attachment: wtc.exe "

Do not open the WTC.EXE attachment.

Taylor posted 09-26-2001 09:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Generally it is a good idea not to open *any* attachments that you do not understand and recognize. Attachment file types which are executable include .exe .bat .cmd, as well as my personal pariah .vbs (visual basic scripting langauge). There are more.

These are little pandora's boxes, waiting for you to set them free. Be aware.

.jpg and .gif are generally safe.

One trick that we see is to suffix a safe name with an obscure, but executable file type: sexy.jpg.vbs. Don't double click on that, you might catch something.

Lastly, there are a bunch of virus warning hoaxes around, which simply waste time. They usually contain the phrase 'Microsoft does not yet have a fix for this' or words to that effect. Harmless but time wasting. Don't forward them.

That's the official line I've given to my users. Sorry for the off topic, but I want to avoid a bunch of virus alert postings.

jimh posted 09-26-2001 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The SirCam32 virus seems to be rather long-living, an artifact perhaps of the fact that it does not destroy the machine that it infects.

One interesting thing the SirCam virus does is to search the cached web pages of the infected machine and find any Email addresses in them. Since my e-Mail address is contained in many of the webpages on this site, visitors to this site whose machines are infected tend to send me eMails containing the virus.

The record--so far--is one gentleman who sent me NINE copies of the virus in a single day.

But this does not get me upset, in fact I find it quite humorous. I am not likely to be infected because I don't have any MICROSOFT operating system software, no WINDOWS software, and I don't have any INTEL processors.

The virus files depend on people being somewhat innocent, having MICROSOFT software, and having INTEL processors. By having none of these features, I am not bothered by all this stuff.

The best way to avoid this cesspool of virus software targeted at MICROSOFT and WINDOWS and INTEL is to avoid using any of these products. For 99% of the things you want to do with a computer, especially at home--surfing the web, reading eMail, using a Word Processor, etc.--there are vastly superior solutions and vastly lower costs than using the really rather poorly executed solutions presented by WINDOWS and MICROSOFT.

I should mention that ABSOLUTELY NO SOFTWARE WRITTEN BY MICROSOFT was used in the creation, design, production, delivery, or maintenance of this website. In fact, if this website depended on Microsoft to provide solutions it would be impossible to create it, to deliver it, and to maintain it.

There is absolutely no MICROSOFT SOFTWARE used in conjunction with this website, and there NEVER WILL BE.

The risk of contamination by these VIRUS infections is just one of the reasons for this policy.

JFM posted 09-27-2001 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Jim, what you say about microsoft and intel may be true today. But selling industrial software and computers for the past 15 years was almost impossible and cost prohibitive until microsoft came out with windows and intel came out with fast cpu's. In the past only the software guru's and the unix boxes were on the factory floor and in the offices and nothing was in a persons' home. If microsoft and intel didn't come out with their products computers and software would be more expensive and the average joe would not have one. Why have 95% of the fotune 500 companies turned to microsoft and intel? I respect your fealings but you hit me broadside because thats how I built my business. Regards, Jay
bigz posted 09-27-2001 01:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
The Mac operating system is like the monorail at Disney World. It's
kind of spectacular and fun, but it doesn't go much of anywhere. Still, the kiddies
like it!

Unix is like the maritime transit system in an impoverished country. The ferry boats are dangerous as hell, offer no protection from the weather and leak like sieves. Every monsoon season a couple of them capsize and drown all the passengers, but people still line up for them and crowd aboard!

UNIX: you think it won't work, but if you
find the right wizard, you can make it work.

Macintosh: you think it will work,
but it won't.

PC/Windows: you think it won't work and it won't.

A few observations "stolen" from my guru Phil Greenspun at MIT -- for you photographers it's also a great site -- just a little spice to sour this conversation

On my account Jay, involved till a year ago building high end gaming systems, MS Windows sorry to say was the only way to go -- after about 7 or 8 years you get used to the little quirks -- might add I use Trend Micro PC-cillin which does a marvelous job both taking care of emails (caught 4 would be's in the last month) and also web pages which can cause nasty little trick then again I usually don't surf in the slums -- oops what an I saying I'm here aren't I --- heh heh

PS this is being brought to by Intel -- a 300 "Celery" over clocked to 450 stable as a rock for the past 2 years, operating Win 98 which I can't say the same for -- :)

WantaWhale posted 09-27-2001 03:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for WantaWhale  Send Email to WantaWhale     
I use nothing but linux at work on desktop for past 4 years now. I converted all servers here to linux except for Novell Network. I have to keep windows around for client workstations as staff is addicted to windows and can't learn anything else. Many admins think your crazy if you run linux but I bet they will be sorry after monday. Check out USAToday (Today). Now that MS has all the lazy admins where they want them, they are going to put the screws to them starting monday.
Taylor posted 09-27-2001 05:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Geeze, is this like the varnish vs oil debate, or more like Merc vs Yamaha :)

Ok, just to establish my credentials, check out this list of OS's that I have loved and used: VMS, Apollo's DomainOS, NextStep, and now Palm. You can pretty much kiss Palm goodbye based on my track record.

My suggestion is to take the next 'intel inside' sticker you find and put it somewhere on the dash of your Whaler. Always good for a laugh. I have one on my fridge.

JFM posted 09-27-2001 06:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
For a narrow field those are great. But the backbone of compition and R&D is done by the giants. With out them there would be no commonality. They also made some of us wealthy who invested in them years ago. I laugh at intel and microsoft all the way to the bank. Regards, Jay
JFM posted 09-27-2001 06:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
I am truley sorry if I have offened anyone with my posts here. You guys all have valid points and are all smarter than I am with the operating systems and the CPU's. I have stepped out of line with my last post please forgive me. Jay
JFM posted 09-27-2001 06:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Bigz are you sure that Phil isn't George Castandsa after the Slimfast Plan? Regards, Jay
jimh posted 09-28-2001 12:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It is astonishing to me that among a group of people who are so particular about some things they buy and use (their boats and motors for example in this particular group) I can find so many what are willing to accept computer software (and hardware) that is unable to provide the same level of advanced performance and sophisticated development.

I don't mention the fact that I use no Microsoft products because I want to imply that they are bad, inferior, over priced, unstable, suseptible to infections by virus plagues, etc. No, I mention that I don't use any Microsoft products principally because there are so many people who think that the ONLY products to perform the task required are those made by Microsoft.

In reality, it is quite the contrary. If there were products made by Microsoft that allowed me to more easily create, deliver, and maintain the website, I would most likely use them. But the reality is that there is nothing available from Microsoft that could perform what I need to do nearly as well as the products I currently use. I have no intention of abandoning the software I use in order to join the "majority."

If I applied that same thinking to boating I would immediately sell my two Boston Whaler ouboard powered boats and buy an 18-foot SeaRay bowrider with a Mercruiser I/O.

bigz posted 09-28-2001 07:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Taylor here's one for you ....

"VMS is like a Soviet railroad train. It's basically industrial-strength, but when you look at it closely, everything's a little more shabby than you might like. It gets the job done, but there's no grace to it." PG

Jay took me a minute and a look up since we don't watch Seinfeld! Actually we don't watch TV unless, like recently, events dictate it. Could be though! -- Been frequenting his site following his trials and tribulations with the business venture since about '98 and he still looks the same just a little older.

JimH is of course right MS doesn't offer anything that is nicely streamlined to provide content without a bunch of bells and whistles (other headaches as well) -- now MS should use the Slim-Fast plan. In our case the major headaches were in the video and audio driver area when configuring gaming systems -- drive you bonkers. -- Anyway we do have one system which is a dual boot Win 2000 Server and Red Hat Linux --- have to admit don't use it often -- my wife is the guru in that area I'm just the slep -- might note we can't get DSL and our cable system operator is one of the worst in the business won't touch them even though our daughter would love to have it --- just a mean old man I guess depriving the youngster :( --- so need for server level systems with just a dial-up online yet ---

JFM posted 09-28-2001 09:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Jim,your points are well taken. On all the inexpensive operator interface modules we sell they all use special operating systems for efficency and reduced overhead, however we see many going to windows ce now that 3.0 is out. Bigz we also see this in the video game arena, meaning comercial grade stuff. The best point of all is made about why we have Whalers."Touche"Jim. Regards, Jay
Taylor posted 09-28-2001 01:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
If every boating outlet you walked into was stuffed to the ceiling with nothing but Sea Ray's, if all your fiends had Sea Rays, if all the mechanics could work on was Sea Rays, then we all, except for a the elite few, might have Sea Rays. Same for MS. Ignorance of the alternatives, prevelence of the substandard solution. Having Windows or Searays, people then don't realize how much more there can be.

For Jimh, this is from Dilbert:

"Hold it right there buddy... That scuffy beard... those suspenders... that smug expression... your one of those condenscending unix computer users!"

"Here's a nickle, kid. Go get yourself a better computer".

If it is any consolation , I actually looked at new Bayliners before I bought my used Montauk. It was the input from the guys on this site that really convinced me me to go BW. Thanks.

LarrySherman posted 09-28-2001 02:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
I worked on VMS for a number uf years, and while you have a point about grace Tom, I must say VMS was a very powerfull OS. Both Unix and Windoze are are going in the direction of where VMS was: virtual clustering, user definable memory control etc.

The team of engineers that designed NT were hired from DEC, and built VMS.

I use 2000 Professional at home for my desktop ( move to where the food is! Sam k.), but do all my progrmaing on Solaris.

JFM posted 09-28-2001 04:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Nice try David but your mad cow and other junk didn't come through! If you try again watch out!

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