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dynomark posted 10-01-2001 12:25 AM ET (US)   Profile for dynomark   Send Email to dynomark  
I'm interested in purchasing a Whaler and the local dealer has both a new 13 Sport and a used 1988 15'Sport. The price is within $1,000. The boat would be used on both smaller and larger lakes in the area. I also have a 4 year old that loves boating (including driving on dad's lap) and fishing. What are the pros and cons of each? Which one would make the best all around small boat package for a family of three?
jameso posted 10-01-2001 09:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for jameso  Send Email to jameso     
This has been back and forth many times,,,13 or 15, I like my 15 and would not trade back to a 13. At seasons end a used boat should be cheaper,,,try to bargain with the dealer.
Jim Armstrong
JBCornwell posted 10-01-2001 09:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Ahoy, DynoMark. I think I would go for the 15. It would probably delay "2 foot fever" a couple of years, is a much more comfortable boat in a light chop.

I really loved my 13, but I have a preference for the 80s boats fit, finish and elegance.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

Bigshot posted 10-01-2001 11:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Normally I would say the 15 but $7500 for an 88 is about $1000 too high unless it has a new 70hp on it.
JFM posted 10-01-2001 01:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Go with the 15'. Having owned 2 13's and now a 17'. The difference in room is evry nice to have. Regards, Jay
JB posted 10-01-2001 02:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for JB  Send Email to JB     
Go to a different dealer - if he's trying to charge you nearly the same price for a 15' '88 and a new 13', then he's trying to put one over on you. An '88 15' w/ 70 HP should go for something in the neighborhood of $6500...
whalerfran posted 10-01-2001 04:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerfran    
It seems this post is asking for an opinion regarding the new style 13' that BW makes. I am curious about that model also. Anyone with experience?
lhg posted 10-01-2001 05:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
There is something incredibly wrong with the picture developing on this thread. Whaler's brand new design and technology being less popular than a boat designed in 1975! A boat they could still be manufacturing and selling and won't.

Then look at the pricing the Dealer is asking. Also very informative. A 13 year old boat, with old engine, only 2 feet longer, almost the same as a brand new boat and engine.

Incidentally, I also recommend the 15. Just would like to see BW get it, or an improved version, back on the market. Can one still be ordered from CPD?

dynomark posted 10-01-2001 06:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for dynomark  Send Email to dynomark     
The 1988 15'Sport has a 1988 55hp Suzuki and it is a boat that the dealer is brokering for an individual. They have a price (starting point, I would hope)of $7,995 on this vs a list of $8,995 for the new 13 Sport with either a 40 2-cycle or a 25 4-stroke.I thank everyone for their comments regarding the merits of the 15'Sport but have not heard much feedback on the new 13' Sport. Any additional comments, personal experiences or advise would be appreciated.
Thanks!!!!!!
whalernut posted 10-01-2001 07:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Go with either a Classic `13 or `15 and you can`t go wrong. I love the old Blue `13s. They ride rough yes, but oh so stable!! The `15 is better in the choppy stuff, but less stable, you`re choice. I don`t care for the New Whalers and wouldn`t trade my 73` `16 Currituck for even a new Montauk! Regards-Jack Graner.
whalerfran posted 10-01-2001 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerfran    
Ihg, What makes you think BW may still manufacture the old (classic) designs? Is it that BW is unwilling to pay royalties for the use of patents owned by others? I am curious about this because I think that the classic Whaler would be a big seller. Does anyone have any inside information? If Dougherty still owns the patents, why doesn't he build the boats instead of the designs he uses for Edgewaters?
flwhaler posted 10-01-2001 09:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for flwhaler  Send Email to flwhaler     
I think the mold for the 15 my be an artiical reef off the cost of Florida. I know whaler has deposited many molds over the years to davy jones locker!
acseatsri posted 10-01-2001 09:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for acseatsri  Send Email to acseatsri     
My vote goes with the 15'. The depreciation will be much less with it. I guarantee you'll want a bigger one within a year or two anyway. Your odds of getting more money back are with the 15', since the new 13' will be worth at least 2k less the instant you buy it.
dynomark posted 10-01-2001 10:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for dynomark  Send Email to dynomark     
I just got back from looking at the 1988 15' BW, the engine is a 65 hp Suzuki. The boat appears to be in pretty good shape and is on a EZ Loader trailer. The seats, seat back and bow pads are in good shape. The mahogany just needs some minor refinishing in a few areas. The motor says it came from Performance Marine in Evertt Washington. The hull has two little chips 1/8 inch round or less underneath twords the front of the boat that show blue inside the chip. The stern has a worn blue area across the top back edge of the transom. The rest of the gelcoat is intact and non-oxydized. It appears that everyone favors the 1988 15' if it can be purchased right. Am I correct in saying somewhere between $5,500 and $6,500? How reliable are the 65HP Suzuki's?
lhg posted 10-01-2001 10:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
whalerfran: When Brunswick and others bought BW, they also gained all of the Whaler designs, copyrights, patents, molds etc. The Montauk and CPD models are the last evidence of this. Dougherty would not be an issue here. Brunswick can build any old Whaler they want to, assuming the molds exist. Or they could use their CAD high tech mold-maker to recreate them. They just don't want to. Until recently, the 15 was still in the CPD product line up. I'll bet they still have the molds, and one could probably get a new one. It's just that the older Whalers were more expensive to manufacture. I was told by a Dealer that the Classic 13 hull cost more to make than a Dauntless 16 hull.

Remember the Company is totally under the control of the Sea Ray folks, and their previous boats have never had much in common with Whalers. they are now building most Whalers in the image of Sea Ray.
Todays' Outrages look much like the Sea Ray Lagunas of 11 years ago, except they won't sink. Classic Outrages look nothing like a Sea Ray Laguna center console.

Clark Roberts posted 10-01-2001 10:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
I haven't driven the new 13 Sport so can't really be objective! A test drive will help you decide which one you want and that's the one you should buy! I'll put my money on the 15! Happy Whalin'... Clark... Spruce Creek Navy
dynomark posted 10-01-2001 11:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for dynomark  Send Email to dynomark     
Clark,
Thanks for you imput. As I mentioned in the previous post the boat appeared to be in pretty good shape.
jimh posted 10-02-2001 12:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I think you are describing the 15 as:
"the stern has a worn blue area across the top back edge of the transom".

That is not wear, that is how it was made. There is no gelcoat at the point where the hull mold and the liner mold come together at the transom. There is a band of laminate, about 3/8-inch wide. This is typical of the classic Whaler hull/liner joints in the smaller boats.

Bigshot posted 10-02-2001 09:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Since the dealer is brokering the 15, I doubt you will get it for under $6500. I think it is probably a $5500 boat being the engine is 14 years old. I would go for the new 13 unless you could get the 15 in the 5's.
tbyrne posted 10-02-2001 10:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for tbyrne    
I am with those who recommend a test drive. While I have never run a Classic 15', I now have a 2000 13' Sport with the 25 h.p. 4-stroke. I much prefer it to the Classic 13' I had for several years. It rides MUCH better, especially in a chop - my 1975 Classic 13' used to beat my brains in almost every time out. In addition, the new 13' Sport has MUCH more usable storage (a large, deep anchor locker, dry console storage and the battery and fuel tank fit nicely under the seat). You can also drive the new 13' Sport while standing up, which greatly improves the ride (so long as you are out alone). I also have gotten amazing gas mileage out of the 4-stroke (about 10-12 mpg).

The new 13' Sport isn't quite as stable at rest as the Classic 13', but stability at rest is not my sole concern in a boat. On the sort of days when I would be concerned about stability at rest, the harsh ride of the Classic 13' kept me at the dock.

I suspect the ride and stability of the new 13' Sport and the older 15' will be comparable. A test drive should make the decision a lot easier for you.

Highwater posted 10-02-2001 10:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
There are several 15' Whalers on the market for considerably less than $5500. Try looking at www..boattraderonline.com.

Here is one ad: 1978 BOSTON WHALER BOSTON WHALER, 15' 00'' 1978 15' Boston Whaler with 70 hp Mercury outboard, galvinized trailer, bimini top, asking 3,000.00. (I am not including the Louisiana telephone number so that the seller will not be get calls after the boat is sold. To get the number, search on boattrader.com).

Forget the 15' advertised for $1400--I drove down to Florida to look at it and it was in bad shape. It needed a lot more than "cosmetics."

Here is a 17 for $5000 that looks nice: http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/5/1437475.htm

As for which boat to get, I am a newcomer to this group but I have done extensive research in the past few weeks and have determined the following:

The 13 is excellent for its stability. If you will someday turn this boat over to your 12 -year-old kid, it would be a good choice. Also, it is rated for 6 people. On the other hand, it is difficult to drive it standing up and my back gets tired after sitting in it for several hours. Also, a 13' with a 40 hp engine and two adults on board takes about 20 seconds to pull up a slalom skier. Unless the skier is adept at holding the ski straight for that long of a time, it is difficult to get up on one ski.

The 15 will handle the waves better and you will get fewer requests from your crew to slow down in one foot seas. With a 70 hp engine, getting a slalom skier up is no problem. As for aesthetics, the 15 sits better in the water than a 13, which tends to be back heavy with a 200 lb, 40 hp engine. Also, with a center console 15, you can stand up. On the other hand, the 15 is only rated for 5 people, and it leans more to one side than a 13 if the weight is not adjusted correctly.

The 17 is a much bigger, heavier boat and therefore it will require more fuel to operate it and trailer it. But it will legally carry 7 people, they can all stand up, and it is perfect for skiing.

Just my two cents....

whalerfran posted 10-02-2001 04:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerfran    
Ihg,
Thanks for the very informative response. I understand some of the classic designs may be ordered from the commercial division, but they are not aestically pleasing, as the former classic models are.
dynomark posted 10-02-2001 11:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for dynomark  Send Email to dynomark     
Thanks for the info on the 13 vs 15 and other 15's that are availiable. I tested out both the new 13 Sport and the 1988 15 Sport today. The 15 w/65 Suzuki did have more power than the 13 w/40 Merc, it also seemed to handle the chop a little smoother. The 13 Sport seemed to track better in tighter turns and it seemed more comfortable to drive. I felt like I was almost sitting on the floor in the 15 but I think some of that is the position of the wheel and side console being closer to the seat. It is a very difficult decision which way to go! I don't think they will come down to a reasonable $ on the 15 but as Highwater pointed out there are others out there. They are willing to discount the new 13 somewhat. How would a 25 4-stroke perform compared to the 40 2-cycle I drove today?
Highwater posted 10-03-2001 08:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
I have a 13' with a 190 pound, 2-stroke, 40 hp Johnson. I wish that I had a 203 pound 4-stroke 40 hp Honda--the weight is about the same and it is almost silent at idle speed. If you get the new 13, see if they will put a 40 hp 4-stroke on it rather than discount the price on a 25 hp 4-stroke or 40 hp 2-stroke. If you put a 25 hp engine on there, you will someday wish you had more power--especially if you pull a tube or ski.
tbyrne posted 10-03-2001 10:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for tbyrne    
Dynomark, if you had any questions about the power of the 40 hp 2-stroke on the 13' Sport, stay away from the 25. I have it with the 25 and it is just enough power for me. I typically am out alone fishing or with a 40 lb 3 year old. It's not underpowered, mind you, but you need to remember that the new 13' Sport is substantially heavier than the Classic 13'. The Classic comes in at about 360 lbs. and the new 13' Sport weighs about 580 lbs.

If you plan to do much skiing or tubing, go with the 15' and 65 hp.

Louie Kokinis posted 10-03-2001 10:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
Whalerfran: Commercial products can still make a beige boat with stainless rails. Some fishing camps still order the classic hulls in beige - they are Guardians that look like classic hulls.

Louie

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