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djpalaia posted 10-06-2001 12:18 PM ET (US)   Profile for djpalaia   Send Email to djpalaia  
I have a 22ft HiLiner Cuddy I am getting ready to sell. I've been told that Whaler bought out the HiLiner molds when HiLiner went out of bussiness. I have seen Whaler cuddys that are identical, but don't know what the model designation is. Can someone help me? I believe it's the Revenge, but not absouletely positive. Boat has forward cuddy, 2 seats at front and 2 seats on either side of the motor cover in rear. (powered by 302 mercruiser.)
jimh posted 10-06-2001 02:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The Whaler model you are thinking of is not the REVENGE, but the YANKEE VOYAGER.

The HiLiner Company sold out to Boston Whaler in the early 1970's. Their HiLiner-222 boat, a C. Ray Hunt design, was produced by Whaler for a short while. Only about three dozen were made with the Whaler name badge YANKEE VOYAGER.

Whaler discontinued the Hunt-designed boat and sold the molds to Nauset Marine, one of Whaler's early dealers in Cape Cod.

The boat is still in production and is available from Nauset on a semi-custom basis.
(see http://www.nausetmarine.com)

djpalaia posted 10-07-2001 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for djpalaia  Send Email to djpalaia     
Thanks for the info. The boat I have came from the Cape. That is where I use it, on Lewis Bay & Nantucket Sound. Als on the CT river here in Connecticut & Long Island Sound as well. As I mentioned I have seen the identical boat with the Whaler badge. It is a good solid hull design. I didn't know that Nausset Marine owned the molds now or that the hull was still in production, even if on a limited basis. I do know of two other fellows with HiLiners, but they have the center console layout. Good solid boats. I'm told Whaler stopped making them due to the layup costs associated with the hull. Again. don't know if that is true or here-say. Thanks again. Don Palaia
jimh posted 10-08-2001 09:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Another reason they might have stopped making them:

The hull was a Hunt design, so perhaps there was a per-hull royalty fee that had to be paid.

Also, Whaler had its own designer, a pretty good one named Dougherty, and perhaps decided that they'd use his hulls instead.

The HiLiner hull is, I am told, quite similar to the Bertram hulls of the same size.

jflots posted 07-20-2005 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for jflots  Send Email to jflots     
We have a HiLiner 222 Sportsman, has a closed bow head compartment, full windshield and a huge cockpit. It's a very solid boat with a fiberglass grid system for structure, no wood to rot. I'm sure it was expensive to build at the time. The deep V hull is a sweetheart in seas.
Ours has the original Holman Moody 302 and Volvo drive. Glad to get more information on them. Thanks.
[Deak link removed]
Binkie posted 07-20-2005 11:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkie    
Well it looks to me after seeing the pictures that Ray Hunt just used his Bertram 20 plans for the Highliner. Is that also 20`? I only see a little difference in the transom. Maybe if they were side by side there may be other differences. I`ve only seen one actually in real life and I assumed it was a Bertram knockoff. The Bertram 20 is one of my favorite boats. I would love to see a picture of the Whaler rendition of this boat. It seems a far cry from any other Whalers. Was it unsinkable?
17 bodega posted 07-21-2005 12:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for 17 bodega  Send Email to 17 bodega     
Binkie beat me to the question. Are they foam core and unsinkable? Nice solid looking boat.
jflots posted 07-21-2005 02:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for jflots  Send Email to jflots     
It's a 22. Definately some inbreeding between them and Bertram. I've seen some variations between different models and years in pictures. Between the hull and liner is solid foam/glass stringers except for the fuel tank bay and the sides, where whaler's have a minumun of 3" of foam everywhere.
Hilinercc posted 07-22-2005 09:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hilinercc  Send Email to Hilinercc     
The HiLiners were definately boats ahead of their time, they do share some of the same traits with the old 20 ft. Bertram Bahia Mars and runabouts. The difference is the lift strakes on the bottom. HiLiners have 2, while the Bertrams have 3. This does no deter the HiLiner at all in the seaway, as she performs like the true thoroughbred she is in rough water. I own a 1974 Gypsy (cuddy) and a 1972 Adventurer (center console). Both are repowered with 5.7 Volvo Penta /SX drive systems and they fly.

I invite anyone whose interested in HiLiners to please contact me. I am going to be launching a website soo dedicated to this rare breed. Yankee Voyager owners, please join us!

jimh posted 07-22-2005 09:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
When I was first searching for a larger Boston Whaler, about five years ago, there was a beautifully restored YANKEE VOYAGER model available locally. It was an excellent example of the Boston Whaler version of the HiLiner 22.

I believe the boat was sold locally and is still around SE Michigan. It would be a very unusual Boston Whaler. If anyone has seen it, let us all know.

tmannello posted 07-26-2005 04:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for tmannello  Send Email to tmannello     
I also have a hiliner 21. It is a great boat with throw hole exaust and a holman mody setup. This boat will almost reach 50 mph with out trim. I would to get more info about this boat. I bought it from the second owner 5 years ago for $2,000. I did not realize how great the boat was when I bought it. Its the best made boat I have ever owned. It was built in 1970 and since I have owned it I have had to do nothing but gen maintance and cleaning. Please contact me if any one has any informatin about this boat.
Liteamorn posted 07-26-2005 04:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Liteamorn  Send Email to Liteamorn     
I would love to see pics of these boats , either the Hiliner or the Voyager. They sound intersting.
Ed
Tom W Clark posted 07-26-2005 08:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
To clarify a few things:

Nauset Marine has the mold from which the Boston Whaler Yankee Voyager was made, but the boats they make from it are built very differently. I visited Nauset Marine a few summers ago and inspected a few of their boats. They are very basic and utilitarian.

The Yankee Voyager has a different appearance than the HiLiner though they share the same hull. The Yankee Voyager looks most like a 20' Bertram Bahia Mar with the raised helm position.

The Yankee Voyager can be seen in photographs from the introductory brochure published by Whaler in 1975. This brochure is available on Volume 1 of the Boston Whaler Catalog Collection on CD ROM.

project13 posted 07-26-2005 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for project13  Send Email to project13     
One of my best friends had one when we were growing up. It had the I/O removed and a huge OB that got about 1/10 mpg but it was a good boat. Had no idea that Hiliner was a whaler though.
luckofbolton posted 08-23-2005 06:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for luckofbolton  Send Email to luckofbolton     
We have a 20 foot Hiliner, restored, IO, Center Console. It almost made it to the chopping block for a Lobster Boat. What a Gem. The origin of the Hiliner is as follows:

[Possibly quoted without attribution from http://geoffdevine.com/]
Binkie posted 08-23-2005 08:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkie    
A restored 20 foot Bertran is worth a substancial amount of money for a 20 foot boat, and I`m sure the Whaler Yankee Voyager is as well. I wonder what a restored Highliner would fetch?
BobL posted 08-23-2005 09:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for BobL  Send Email to BobL     
What is the difference, if any, between a 20' Bertram Bahia Mar and the model referred to as the "Moppie"?
Hilinercc posted 10-07-2005 07:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hilinercc  Send Email to Hilinercc     
Hello Again H-Liner (and Whaler) Wonks!

Some time ago, I had announced a Hiliner Website that will be coming on line. (it will be Hiliner222.com)

I'm back to say that it will be launching shortly. The delay has been due to life's demands in general, and not being able to work on the site as much as I'd like. (Marriage and Family will do that) HOWEVER, This has changed!

I will announce that the site is up and running here on this website very soon, so please bear with me. I've gotten alot of emails from Hiliner owners expressing their interest, and I think you Whaler guys (our relatives) will enjoy this site also.

Stay Tuned !

hardensheetmetal posted 10-07-2005 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
There are some interesting pictures of a 1971 HiLiner here

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hardensheetmetal posted 10-28-2005 09:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
I came across these nice pictures of a 22 and thought they might be helpful.

http://geoffdevine.com/

Dan

jimh posted 10-28-2005 09:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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half shell posted 10-28-2005 07:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for half shell  Send Email to half shell     
BobL the bahia mar had a raised cabin and helm station.While the moppie was more of a flush deck runabout.
the 20 really was just storage not a true cuddy on the moppie.

Regards Bob

reinell190 posted 06-26-2006 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for reinell190  Send Email to reinell190     
If we are talking about the same Hiliner, Hiliner boats were originally built in Ipswich Massachusetts. They had a very beautiful, distinctive mahogany design boasting outboard engines before their transformation to fiberglass. They were available in a variety of lengths. The company shut down in the 1970's.
bowroof posted 03-17-2007 02:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for bowroof  Send Email to bowroof     
This is a great discussion! I used to take care of a Hiliner 21 for the owner of a boatyard where I worked. That boat was bulletproof! I'm lucky enough to own a 20' Bahia Mar now. Anyone ever seen photos or drawings of a hardtop for this boat?
Binkie posted 03-17-2007 06:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkie    
Bertram Bia Mar. Just about the ultimate boat. I had a 25 footer years ago. I always wanted a 20 footer. Could never afford the 31 footer, although my daughter and her husband owned one. Do you think the Hiliner was as well built? I don`t hink they will bring the money a Bertram will. Never saw a hardtop Bia Mar. Doesn`t seem like it would fit the design.

Rich

cgodfrey posted 03-17-2007 09:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for cgodfrey  Send Email to cgodfrey     
Wow, this topic's FIVE YEARS OLD.

Anyway, jflots is probably one of the best people to talk to about HiLiners

wcolin posted 03-19-2007 05:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for wcolin  Send Email to wcolin     

Here's a picture of a Yankee Voyager

Here's another of the cockpit. I am thinking of buying this boat. Just haven't [decided to do so] yet.

More pictures at http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/wcolin/e6d37f41.jpg

Binkie posted 03-19-2007 06:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkie    
Beautiful boat, what does it have for power?
Binkie posted 03-19-2007 06:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkie    
Beautiful boat, what does it have for power?
WT posted 03-19-2007 06:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
There's a 20 foot Bertram advertised for sale in CT for $25,500.

wcolin posted 03-20-2007 09:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for wcolin  Send Email to wcolin     
I believe it has a 188hp Mercruiser sterndrive 6cyl
trinaussie posted 07-16-2007 04:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for trinaussie  Send Email to trinaussie     
I purchased a boat here in Bermuda a month ago and it is registered as a Hiliner on the ownership papers.

It is a centre console with a small cuddy cabin. It is outboard powered and the HIN says it is a 1974.

I did a little looking and talking to one or two people in forums and some say it is not a hiliner others say it is.

This past weekend I had a look on the sides near the stern and I can make out the words Hiliner 222 so I am pretty convinced.

Can any one shed any further light on this. Anyone have a 74 Hiliner cc with cuddy?

I am told there is another one in Bermuda, but I have not seen it yet.

By the way I am very happy with the performance.
She is good in the swells and I am getting 40 mph + with a rather dirty hull bottom.

Trinaussie
Bermuda

forbesy62 posted 07-17-2007 12:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for forbesy62  Send Email to forbesy62     
We have a 1970 HiLiner Gypsy (originally owned) that we recently restored. The hull is a classic Hunt and is based on the mold Hunt designed for Bertram in the late 60s. Bertram wanted a 20 foot deep vee for racing in choppy seas. This hull fit the bill.

Geoff Devine has a webpage (noted earlier in this thread) that has some good history of the comapny and the molds. My understanding is that many of the original molds were destoyed in a fire in the NH plant in the early 70's. The surviving molds were sold and I believe Whaler used the Gypsy mold for their Yankee Voyager.

As noted by those before me, most were built with I/Os. The early boats had a modified Ford V8 with a H/M carb. The exhaust was above the water line and you could hear the boat a mile away. The problem most faced was the engine sat low in the bilge and the pump was forward of the engine. With starters located low and aft of the engine, many had to replace starters on a regular basis due to water sloshing around far aft.

We re-powered ours 10 years ago with a MercCruiser 5.7L (350/260 prop). We glassed the transom and re-cut for the smaller I/O cuppling. We've installed another pump further aft and so far so good.

The cuddy was designed to sleep two, however it's better used for storage as there's not many other places to store gear/tools etc..

This is a great boat and handles small craft advisory conditions as good if not better that newly designed hulls. Perhaps due to the fact they used more glass back when they weren't sure how strong glass was.

I'm pretty sure a new 21 foot deep vee of this quality would approach six figures (based on the new Hunts). I'd welcome any comments from collectors who are familiar with values for used classics.

jflots posted 07-19-2007 04:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for jflots  Send Email to jflots     
I'll take 6 figures for ours! Our Sportsman has the original Holman Moody 302 and Volvo drive. It still runs well but has all the problems of an automotive engine sitting in a bilge and used in saltwater. I'm currently replacing the aluminum timing cover with a cast iron one I found online. This after replacing the aluminum exhaust manifolds due to a leak.(luckily the cylinder spit out the spark plug instead of causing internal damage) It really needs a repower but I'm trying to buy some time.

I'm thinking the original manifolds will make a fine pair of shop tools.

trinaussie posted 07-20-2007 10:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for trinaussie  Send Email to trinaussie     
Here are some pictures of the my Hiliner.

It needs work, but not until the summer is over.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/trinaussie/Boat004.jpg


http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/trinaussie/Boat003.jpg


http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/trinaussie/HiLiner20.jpg

jflots posted 07-20-2007 11:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for jflots  Send Email to jflots     
They look completely different with an outboard. I also didn't realize they made a center console with a cuddy. I like the hull color, something I've been considering. Hoping to have mine back in the water soon.
goldog02 posted 09-16-2007 05:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for goldog02  Send Email to goldog02     
I was looking for some info regarding a 1972 Hiliner Adventurer serial/hull #12914.I had understood that some of the boats in the later years were of dubious quality. Also this boat was winterized 12 years ago,put away and never used again.It has and OMC outdrive with a v-8 in it. Could anybody tell me 1- if this boat falls into the dubious category and 2- what engine it has. Thanks
Riptide23WA posted 09-16-2007 07:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Riptide23WA  Send Email to Riptide23WA     
Man, that is a handsome boat. I love the size and proportion of that console, and the cuddy.

Pat

iloveboats posted 11-21-2007 11:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for iloveboats  Send Email to iloveboats     
I just bought a 1970 hiliner. It has a 5.7 MercCusier with 201 hours. I've taken off all it's teak while I was putting it away for the winter so I can clean and re-oil and leave in my basement untill Spring. It's very clean, nice hull design. I payed $8,000.00 for the boat and nice year 2000 trailer. I've change the oil and both filters and added fuel additive before fogging the carb. I live on Cape Cod. Was this a good price to pay for this boat?
ReganHiLiner222Gypsy posted 01-19-2008 06:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for ReganHiLiner222Gypsy  Send Email to ReganHiLiner222Gypsy     
I've just done a complete restoration of my 1972 Hiliner222 raised Cuddy: 350 Mercruiser and Alpha 1 outdrive, with new contoured windscreen - now ready to launch-pictures to follow. I've gone over to the Bahamas with it several times on its prior Mercruiser 250 that had a top speed of 50-MPH and originally cruised it on the long Island Sound, Montauk, and Block Island area. Its origainal power was an OMC 210. Anyone have an idea of its current value?
jimh posted 01-19-2008 06:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I really don't have a handle on the value of restored HiLiner boats. If you found a buyer who was a HiLiner fan, it would probably be worth a lot more than it would to a casual boat buyer. Do you have any digital images of the boat?
ReganHiLiner222Gypsy posted 01-19-2008 09:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for ReganHiLiner222Gypsy  Send Email to ReganHiLiner222Gypsy     
I'll have pictures to post in the next week or so. I also installed a new fuel tank, and new canvas and am currently trying to configure for a 360 degree anchor light and remote controlled spotlights without destroying the unique sleek lines of the Hull.....any ideas would be greatly appreciated? ? ? Thanks !!!!
1970HiLiner posted 02-01-2008 12:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for 1970HiLiner  Send Email to 1970HiLiner     

I have a 1970 HiLiner I bought last year on Cape Cod for $3k. The boat was in OK condition but the seats were worn and the teak was in bad shape. The boat was upgraded in 1995 with a Mercruiser 5.0LX and Alpha drive which had a bad seal when I bought it. The boat also came with a 2003 Venture trailer. It also had a brand new 42 gallon aluminum fuel tank.

Last winter I pulled all of the teak and refinished with 14 coats of varnish, pulled the lounge seats and replaced with upholstered pedestal seats, and resealed the outdrive.

Come spring, I compounded and buffed out the gelcoat, stripped and repainted the bottom. I used the boat all summer and am looking forward to May when she goes back in.

Here is a link to a few before and after images.

John

http://tinyurl.com/2de39p

boatwelder posted 03-16-2008 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for boatwelder  Send Email to boatwelder     
That is a great looking Hiliner you have there. I have a 1971 sportsman with full resto last winter. All inclusive awlgrip job, cushions, teak and the gammett. We keep it in southern Maine, with trailer trips to the lakes, Cape Cod and the islands. Glad to see all the response on these boats.
ReganHiLiner222Gypsy posted 03-31-2008 02:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for ReganHiLiner222Gypsy  Send Email to ReganHiLiner222Gypsy     
Some HiLiner pictures to follow
GeoffD posted 04-23-2008 10:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for GeoffD  Send Email to GeoffD     
I have the last HiLiner ever built. When she floated in 2002, Breakaway had an inline-6 turbodiesel package put together by Mercruiser. The engine was Italian supplied by VM Motori. The engine proved to be very unreliable in my application. I kept snapping accessory belts. The belt drives the water pump. Big problem. The thing also ate starters since the starter sat in the bottom of the bilge. I also had an air leak somewhere in the fuel system that I was never able to find. I replaced everthing from the tank to the metal fuel lines on the block and the problem didn't go away. She'd drop dead and I'd have to bleed the 6 fuel lines at the injectors. I also had the turbo die on me. Mercury Marine had abandoned diesel and given support for the engine to Cummins. Just the part replacing the turbo was $3K.

At the moment, the boat is back with the builder. He took the mold out of storage and built me another 2 1/2 feet of boat as a platform aft of the transom to mount an outboard. Engine gone. Engine box gone and being replaced with a teak hatch that matches the teak cockpit sole. A mahogany seat aft. When it's all done, I end up with a 24' boat and much more cockpit space. I'll be about 500 pounds lighter. I'm probably going to repower with a Honda 225.

trinaussie posted 05-02-2008 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for trinaussie  Send Email to trinaussie     
GeoffD,

thank you for the information available on your site regarding the Hiliner. I am very interested in the outboard extension you have described and would like to see some pictures when available.

I am trying a similar approach with my Hiliner centre console. The efforts are recorded on ClassicMako.com if you are interested in looking. I had a custom fibreglass bracket made by Hermco down in Florida. Please see ...

http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20019


EIKNIB posted 05-02-2008 02:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for EIKNIB    
Great project documentation. It should be read by everyone attempting a major remodel. You should actually put it all in a book. Great job. I like your Highliner and was always a Ray Hunt admirer, and love Bertrams and owned a 25 Bertram Bahia mar that I restored. I think you would have had an easier time of it if you started with a Bertram 25. No major transom work would be needed.

I hope others on this site check your boat out, and please post pics of the completion of your Highliner.

Rich

bjamin69 posted 05-18-2008 06:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for bjamin69  Send Email to bjamin69     
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bowroof posted 07-01-2008 03:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for bowroof  Send Email to bowroof     
Geoff D.,

I put an aluminum bracket and Honda 225 on my 20" Bahia Mar and couldn't be happier, unless I had done a custom glass extension. Good choice. Hopefully you get a little more buoyancy than the bracket provides, as squatting speed puts the motor pretty low in the water. The extra cockpit space is a vast improvement. FYI, the four-blade prop gives much better lift than the three-blade. No trim tabs needed. Good luck.

Rath posted 07-19-2008 09:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Rath  Send Email to Rath     
I have a Hiliner 21 for sale in Albany County NY. It is in very good condition. I don't believe it has ever been in salt water. The 302 Ford replacement engine has about 700 hours on it. It has a Volvo 270 outdrive and a tandem axle trailer. The bottom has never been painted. The interior is also in very good shape. I'm going to list it locally for $5,900 OBO, but where I live, if it's not a canoe or a Bayliner, nobody will know what it is. I have another boat on the way, so this one has to go. My home phone is (518)-797-3786 if anyone is interested.

Thanks,
Paul

RED posted 07-21-2008 12:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for RED  Send Email to RED     
Hey boat guys
I do small boat & motor repairs as a side line. I live on a small pond in northern Vermont. I have accuired a LYMAN early this year and just bought a HI LINER a week or so ago! Don't know much about woooden boats but would like to. Both of these boats are in fair -good condition. Both are about 18' long and are out board powered. Can any body help me with info to get my new found interest restored to a good usable state??
thanks
RED
Hilinercc posted 07-21-2008 12:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hilinercc  Send Email to Hilinercc     
If she's wood, it sounds like you have an old "Ipswich Hiliner", which comes from the same blood line as the glass Hiliners, but thats about all. Its a far cry from what we're talking about in this forum. If I remeber correctly, she has mohagany hull sides doesn't she?
Tohsgib posted 07-21-2008 01:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
22 HiLiner in Sarasota(craigslist) for $3500, looks pretty nice for the $$ if anyone is looking.
RED posted 07-21-2008 02:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for RED  Send Email to RED     
Yes she has mohagany sides. Where can I get some more info and or pictures about the ole gal. I'd like to try to repair her. Got any suggestions??
RED
Hilinercc posted 07-25-2008 03:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hilinercc  Send Email to Hilinercc     
Red< Its hard enough trying to find information on the glass H-Liners, so I would think it would be darn near impossible to find something on the Ipswich Hiliners. I have seen a couple of these boats on Lake Winnepasaukee in New Hampshire, even sporting their original 1958 Evinrude V-4s. The owner however "went it alone" on the restoration.
My suggestion would be to Google it and see what happens.
surfit24 posted 08-19-2008 09:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for surfit24  Send Email to surfit24     
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[Seeks pictures of] a 1972 HiLiner 222. I own [a 1972 HiLiner 222]. I would like to see one in original shape. I have had the boat for two years and I love it. It has a [unrecognized] with a Yamaha 200. The boat does about [45-MPH] with a 19-inch pitch stainless steel propeller. I get a lot of compliments on the boat, and people tell me that they were great boats.

jimh posted 08-19-2008 09:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Above are URI's that lead to many pictures of HiLiner 222 boats.
blair posted 09-14-2008 08:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for blair  Send Email to blair     
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Since 1991 I am an owner of a 1971 HILINER 222 Gypsy 302 FORD drive that I have been very happy with. In 1985 I knew the owner of this boat, and we scuba dived off this boat until it became mine. I have enjoyed years with this boat. I have just invested $2,000 and this boat runs just great. I may have to sell it, and it will break my heart to give it up. This is the best boat I have ever owned. Enjoy yours.

Kingsteven18 posted 09-14-2008 08:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kingsteven18  Send Email to Kingsteven18     
I saw a nice one (and met the happy owner) this summer that's docked at the Ledgedale Marina on Lake Wallenpaupack in NE Pa.
boatwelder posted 12-07-2008 10:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for boatwelder  Send Email to boatwelder     
Interesting Hiliner run in this summer, We trailered our 71 sportsman to Junior Lake in Northern Maine. Had to put the boat in at a ramp on a joining lake and fjord a small bony stream to get to the lake we were staying at. My six y/o daughter as a lookout we decided to find someone hanging around the lake and get a little local knowledge of "bottle stream." Half way dowm the lake I spotted an older fellah sitting in his 20' Lund at the dock. Worth a try; I got 20 yds off of his dock and he stood and announced that I was driving a 22' Hiliner and he was the head varnish guy for them for 18 years when they were still located in Ipswich, MA. Small world indeed. Great trip with the boat. 8000 acres of lake and we pretty much didn't see more than five other boats for the week we were there. Probably the first time that boat has seen a Moose up close and personal. One more location in the long list of places we've dragged that pretty old boat and brought back great stories.
project13 posted 12-07-2008 10:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for project13  Send Email to project13     
Growing up my good friend had one that was converted to O/B with an old johnson 175. I never appreciated the ride because we were too young and not allowed to go out front with it, but I remember how that engine sucked gas. I guess it was under powered.

I almost bought a 20 Bertram years ago but I could not get over the 37 gallon (I think) fuel tank. There is nowhere in there to put more fuel which is a big problem.

Hilinercc posted 12-12-2008 12:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hilinercc  Send Email to Hilinercc     
The only drawback I have with these Hiliner boats is their tank is a mere 40-gallons, but, according to the 1970 Hiliner catalog, it supposedly gives them a 200-mile range with a V8 sterndrive. I re-powered my 1974 GYPSY with a Volvo SX 5.7 250-HP 2-barrel carburetor, and it does quite well on fuel. I can plane her off at about 2,500-RPM and she'll loaf all day on a tank.

The 1972 Adventure center console I have is a little more renegade with a 4-barrel carburetor, but does pretty well on gas, too.

I sure like to show you guys some pics of these boats, but haven't figured out how to attach them like the voyager above.

[Pictures cannot be attached to messages. If you have digital images which are available on-line you are welcome to give a uniform resource indicator that points to them. If you cannot find anywhere to host your images, you should contact the moderator for further advice. Some images are modified to appear in-line in the text, but generally in-line images are not permitted, which, in the many years this forum has been operated has been seen as either a blessing or a curse, depending on your point of view.--jimh]

bugkilla4 posted 12-24-2008 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for bugkilla4  Send Email to bugkilla4     
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I am just finishing a refit on a 1973 GYPSY which has been modified to have a transom bracket with a Mercury 175-HP EFI outboard. I managed to squeeze a 77-gallon custom aluminum fuel tank between the stringers. The tank steps up toward the stern and extends well into the old engine compartment. Also, I was able to place the bilge far back to the stern and one pump drains bilge well. I hope to get 300 to 350-miles range from the 77-gallon tank. We will see in the Spring if this is possible.

This 1973 GYPSY had a fire in the bilge and the floor had to be gutted. When the floor was rebuilt I raised it three inches, and the cockpit is now self bailing through scuppers in the transom. Has anyone seen this done?

jimh posted 12-24-2008 02:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Many of the above hyperlinks or uniform resource indicators (URI's) have turned into dead links and have been removed. If you have a digital image of a Boston Whaler YANKEE VOYAGER please contact me via email to arrange inclusion of your image in this thread. If you have images of HiLiner boats, you are also welcome to contact me via email regarding them. In order to preserve these images I may have to resort to the unusual measure of hosting them here on the web server.
haley posted 01-29-2009 06:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for haley  Send Email to haley     
[Mistook this discussion for a classified advertisement listing.]
JoNHNC posted 12-09-2009 03:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoNHNC  Send Email to JoNHNC     
Wow, I think it is so interesting that there are still HiLiners out there. My father and mother both were partners in the company making them in Manchester, New Hampshire, until the big fire.
George Baker posted 01-15-2010 04:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for George Baker  Send Email to George Baker     
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I have a 22-footer that is either a [HiLiner] or a [Yankee Voyager]. [H]ow can you tell the difference? The engine [has] four [cylinders] and [the sterndrive is an] [Alpha] drive. I have looked at a photo of the [Yankee Voyager], and I can see no difference [in] the deck hardware, binacle shifter, running lights, etc. [A]ny thoughts would be appreciated.

jimh posted 01-16-2010 06:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The model name YANKEE VOYAGER was used by Boston Whaler. A boat made by Boston Whaler can be recognized by the hull identification number or HIN. The manufacturer identification code (MIC) on the HIN will be "BWC." For information on where to find the HIN, see the frequently asked questions (FAQ) article in the REFERENCE section. There is a link to the FAQ on every page of the discussion area.

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/FAQ/#Q2

If the boat were made by HiLiner, its HIN will have a MIC other than "BWC." By locating the HIN and interpreting the maker, you can identify if your 22-foot boat is a Boston Whaler boat, and thus possibly a YANKEE VOYAGER.

George Baker posted 01-16-2010 11:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for George Baker  Send Email to George Baker     
Thank you, I will look at the HIN although the boat has been painted several times and I am not sure that the number is still visible, perhaps it is on the owners card although that lists the boat as a Bertram. Some confusion there.

Is the boat as a Whaler or Hiliner different in value?

My assumption is that the boats are identical other than the HIN.

Thanks for your help. It is fun to track down this information.

George Baker

jimh posted 01-16-2010 12:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Since the boats of this type made by Boston Whaler were the last to be made, from my understanding, they would tend to be newer boats. This might increase their value compared to a similar boat made by HiLiner. The Boston Whaler brand name itself might add some value. On the other hand, perhaps the original brand name, HiLiner, might be considered more authentic of the style of boat, and that might make it more valuable.

In either case, I do not think there is a great value to be found in the boat unless you have a buyer who is a collector of this particular model. While I have no experience with these boats first hand, to me they look like quite a nice 22-foot boat, and I do not mean to say anything negative about them. However, there are a lot of reasonably well made used 22-foot sterndrive v-hull boats on the market, and getting a premium price for a HiLiner or Yankee Voyager might be difficult in the current marketplace. The C. Ray Hunt hull design is certainly a pedigree that will add value and differentiate these boats from others of a similar size and vintage.

jimh posted 01-17-2010 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
In terms of making a visual identification of a boat as either a YANKEE VOYAGER by Boston Whaler or a HiLiner 22, there is an excellent description of the very easily discernible differences of their appearance given in the above discussion in the article contributed by Tom W Clark. The difference should be apparent at a glance.
jimh posted 01-17-2010 01:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The YANKEE VOYAGER is pictured above in the preceding discussions as an in-line graphic element. There are many images of a HiLiner 22 on the website of Geoff Devine, and this is mentioned a number of times in the preceding discussion. Comparison of the images of the HiLiner 22 shown there and the YANKEE VOYAGER shown above ought to be helpful in determining the identity of a boat as either of those two models.
Hilinercc posted 01-24-2010 11:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hilinercc  Send Email to Hilinercc     
You won't fing too muchdifference between the Hiliner and the Voyager, since the molds for both are the same.

However, Hiliner did mount the running lights in several different locales on the boats over the years. The early models used Wilcox-Crittenden bronze cleats and deck fittings.

The MIC numbers have also been located in different places over the years; each beginning with "HMC", the the length, and the month and year of manufacture.
I have seen these plates mostly on the transom exterior, just under the sterncap moulding, (My 74 Gypsy has it there) and also near the waterline above the boot stripe on the starboard side. (My 72 Adventurer has this).

As solid as the original Hiliners were, there were some turkeys made just before Whaler got a hold of them, I think they were built under the O'Day sailboat people for a brief time, and some of those hulls were made on the cheap.

I would imagine Whaler took the time to right any wrongs that were done from that brief episode before they put their name on it.

forbesy62 posted 06-07-2011 10:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for forbesy62  Send Email to forbesy62     
A few years ago I posted some info regarding our 1970 Hiliner Gypsy which we restored. The following link shows pictures of the restoration. Wondering what shes worth in the current market?

http://www.concordiaboats.com/projects_papadede.html

jimh posted 06-09-2011 11:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The restored HiLiner 22 Gypsy PAPA DEDE looks great.
blair posted 10-05-2012 04:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for blair  Send Email to blair     
Iam going to sell the boat at last.
It has been a good friend and
I have had alot of good times.
My wife and dauther, also my grand dauthers have spent time on the hiliner.
It is time to move on and try some thing new.
The boat will be taken apart for the motor
and I will hate to see the boat scrap.
It still has alot of life in it hull.
my email is washdoc@netzero.net
Have fun with your boat.
Hilinercc posted 10-09-2012 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hilinercc  Send Email to Hilinercc     
"Taken apart for the motor?" That is truly sad.

IMO,There aren't many sterndrive boats in this particular size and catagory that are worth a plugged nickel these days.(Vintage Whalers, Donzi's,Sea Crafts, Sea Birds and the like are the exception)

but the Hiliner is also on the list. (if not for want of owning one of these boats, I'd probably never have a sterndrive)

It is one of the last vanishing designs created by pencil, dolphins, battens and paper, and not a CAD machine.

Not a product of "Ray Hunt Associate$",(which are very fine vessels, I might add!) but a daughter to the man himself, C.Raymond, his own creation.

I take solace in the fact that I take stewardship of two of these beautiful boats, a Gypsy and Adventurer). They never fail to attract approving looks to themselves whereever I tie up.

I don't think anybody here likes the idea of any boat put down before her time.

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