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Chap posted 10-10-2001 11:33 AM ET (US)   Profile for Chap   Send Email to Chap  
Woke her up and took my 22 Outrage outside to play for the first time.
Outside being the Atlantic side of Barnegat Inlet, NJ(Bigshot-Old Barney was thumpin! you would have been proud of her) 30 mph sustained with 4-7' swells and opposing wind driven 2-3' chop. Wind chill must have been 10, ski masks all around. A day off is a day on the water.
I didn't get wet and the hull never showed any signs of yaw, really quite impressive. We chased bay achovies and bunker around looking for stripers to no avail. The netters have cleaned up. Ran home across the bay's 2' chop back to the Toms River in relative comfort even though our frozen jaws didn't work at the end of the trip. The boat is definately sensitive to trim, but once you find the sweetspot, she skips like a stone.
Filled the tank for next time and put her to bed.
lhg posted 10-10-2001 11:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Chap - it sounds like you should look into some creature comforts like the Mills Forward Shelter, Windshield and Flying Top system!

The conditions you described are what I like to call "Whaler Weather".

lhg posted 10-10-2001 11:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
PS: to truly qualify as "Whaler Weather" there can't be any other boats in sight, unless they are at least 20' longer than yours, or are another Boston Whaler.
bigz posted 10-10-2001 12:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Hey Chap what day were you out? This morning or yesterday?
Chap posted 10-10-2001 01:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
z- I made it to the inlet by sunrise Monday morning. Frost on the boat inspired me fish other than some small bluefish. The morning was not as bad as when we left for the ride home, "bad" is relative I guess. My friend is out off Bayhead right now killing the fish on a lake of an ocean. Figures.
bigz posted 10-10-2001 01:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Chap heard Monday wasn't that pleasant at least nice and sunny! Was out yesterday in the Delaware Bay just playing with the engine set up -- tad of chop but gorgeous.

Heard last night that some Strippers were being caught so tomorrow will head out with the "chairman" of our house for a short day trip trolling with eels --- hope we catch more than our own bait -- heh heh --

Glad ti hear the 22 is doing her thing --


Louie Kokinis posted 10-10-2001 01:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
Chap: Your feelings will not change with time, they will just get stronger. Each and every time I take my 22 out - it simply impresses the heck out of me!

We also boat year-round in some very bad conditions. Larryís comment is so true Ė most days we and are very alone out there. I find that a good Gore-Tex facemask with goggles, neoprene gloves, and a full mustang suit makes the experience more enjoyable (and safer).

We also carry 2 radios (1 handheld), 2 GPS (1 handheld), EPIRB, Sea Anchor, and every category of flare on the boat. Each suit also has 3 mini flares, signaling mirrors, whistle, and mini strobes. I bought a Radar last year, but havenít had much luck finding a good local welder with some spare time to build me a collapsible tower.

Louie Kokinis posted 10-10-2001 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
ooops. Meant to say neoprene facemasks.
Chap posted 10-10-2001 01:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
I am confident you are right Louie and having moved from a 20' inboard Shamrock to this boat and feel much safer. All the hype about the larger Outrages tracking straight in a following sea is true.
I have seen mini stainless and aluminum arches attached at the console sides and front only. They were for equipment and wind blockage. One was hinged in the front of the console, with pins and cabin clamps on the sides to keep it tightly secure when up. If it is still where I saw it I will take some photos, but it was a while ago. Here is another option:

It is interesting and could certainly be removable.


Louie Kokinis posted 10-10-2001 03:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
Chap: Iím real finicky. I want the tower to be functional, strong, and most of all to suit the boat. Whaler makes a couple different versions of collapsible radar arches, but none really suit my application. The rear tow/radar arch will restrict my current 360 degree fishability, and the forward pole will restrict my vision (I believe itís 4Ē diameter).

Iíve found an excellent arch design used by Zodiac commercial division (Hurricane) which is similar to a T-Top without the cover. The arch is made to military spec, is collapsible, and suits my boat. Unfortunately the people who make them for Hurricane are busy. This link will give you a good example of the type of work they do.


PS Iíve mentioned these boats a few times. A good friend of mine owns a 22 Hurricane Ė itís the only boat Iíd rather be in when itís snotty.

bigz posted 10-10-2001 03:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Louie just for the heck of it took a look see. I assume the radar bird cage is just as you mention an example of their work not what your contemplating for a 22? Or should I have surfed their site for an arch?

Did Kingfish happen to show you his new ss arch? Exquisite fit, finish and proportions.

I have found our arch on the 27ccc to be very useful and isn't in the way fishing at all, similar to LHG's set up on the 25 however ours is not ss just alumium.


Louie Kokinis posted 10-10-2001 04:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
Tom: You're right - It's just an example of the work they do. Iíve also contacted Sunshine welding (CPD's contractor) who could do the work in Florida, but the boat should be there for a custom application.

I've found a few people willing to make me what I want, I just don't trust their ability to engineer and build the arch properly. CPD has supplied me with an army of diagrams, specs, and suggestions Ė Iím just waiting for the right guys to fabricate it. The guys at Hurricane are used to overbuilding stuff for Military applications, so I trust them.

Per the arch mounted to the gunnel. We fish for Salmon with light gear and barbless hooks (12 lb line / 15 Ė 50 lb fish), so they key for our application is an unobstructed boat. Anything that will give the fish a second of slack will definitely get in the way.

I haven't seen Kingfish's pics, are they posted somewhere?

bigz posted 10-11-2001 05:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Louie, email John F (Kingfish) I am sure he will send over a few photos. He I believe designed it himself.

Under your fishing scenario his may be fine in that it has a pretty narrow width on the gunnel, appearing that one could with out missing a beat move forward or aft with little trouble, a quick hand over. Just a thought.


Louie Kokinis posted 10-11-2001 03:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
Tom: Thanks for your input, I will definitely take a look at Johns design.
lhg posted 10-11-2001 04:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Louie - Myself and others did some boating with Kingfish over Labor Day weekend. The boat is gorgeous, and looks great with the radar arch. It's actually the first 22's I've seen with one. It's very similar in appearance to the one on my 25, but with slightly more "lean back" angle. I think one of these would be fabulous on yours.

Like BigZ indicates, I have not found an arch to be in the way for fishing, but must admit, have had to hand a rod around it a few times. The other overall advantages of getting floodlights, antennas, GPS, nav lights, rods, outriggers, flag, etc., up and out of the way, more than makes up for the slight fishing inconvenience. The biggest surprise when I installed mine was the additional safety of something to hang on to. I notice standing passengers hold on to it all the time, even in calm water.

Louie Kokinis posted 10-11-2001 06:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
Tom, Larry: I just took a closer look at the boat and it looks like the high/low rails will get in the way. I really like the high rails beside the console, and doubt that I would ever change them. Like Larrys passengers, mine always use them too.

Last year was a crazy time for most boat-related businesses my little radar tower was repeatedly moved aside for larger commercial orders. I really do understand, and Iíd much rather have a good job vs a rush job done. I have a feeling that this winter will be a little different.

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