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ECUSeaPA posted 10-17-2001 08:03 PM ET (US)   Profile for ECUSeaPA   Send Email to ECUSeaPA  
Sea trailed today a '87 25' OR today! Twin Johnson 150's. WOW! What a ride. Softest boat ride I've ever had. Seemed to cruise at 35-40 and appeared to be capable of 50-55 WOT. Did not push it though. Really jumped on plan. Motors purred.

Concerns:

Back (aft) of boat sat low in the water and tended to
raise the water level in the hatches. The 2 hatches
in the aft corner next to the in floor livewell stayed
full of water. The area in front of the motor held a
lot of water as well. All the water drained out very
quickly as you ran the boat. Transom had been built
up with aluminum and appeared to be higher than
originally set up. Wonder if this was done in an
attempt to keep more water out of back of boat. Only
had 1/4 tank of gas. I'm really concerned about added
weight from 100 gals of gas, gear, ice, crew etc.

What do you think??
HELP!!
Should I spend the $200 for a survey of just walk away? Boat is a bargain but needs some cosmetic work.

ECUSeaPA posted 10-17-2001 09:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for ECUSeaPA  Send Email to ECUSeaPA     
Water comes to within 2-3 inches of floor in the livewell if this helps.
LarrySherman posted 10-18-2001 08:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
Thats about right for a 25, esp with twins. I was concerned about this with my 25 when I first put her in the water. I don't woory any longer.

As for that aluminum aon the transom, I'd look into that closely. Also, check the tru hulls etc. There are quite a few posts covering what to look for in a classic whaler.

The $200 survey is a good idea if you have gone over her yourself and think all is good, and are ready to make the purchase.


Larry

ECUSeaPA posted 10-18-2001 09:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for ECUSeaPA  Send Email to ECUSeaPA     
Thanks Larry,


Does it tend to drop any when you add more gas, people, ice and gear, not to mention a few 30 lb kings??

That's my concern. I have about 2-3" with 1/4 tank of gas and 2 people.

I'm probably getting all worked up about nothing but you can't be too careful when buying a used boat.

Thanks again.

Chap posted 10-18-2001 09:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
Hello,
Notched transom I am assuming. If the "area in front of the motor" that you mention is the splashbox and not a livewell in the cockpit sole(hatched area with plugs out)...then... If that splashbox is full and the drains for it that exit the transom are under water, I believe that it is sitting too low and there could be a problem. Necessitating the modification. If I am not mistaken the 25's standard transom splashbox of that year is similar to the 18 and 20 not the 22, which fills with water at rest.

Chap

ECUSeaPA posted 10-18-2001 09:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for ECUSeaPA  Send Email to ECUSeaPA     
Splashbox is almost full of water. The drain for the splashbox is underwater. That is only the smaller recessed box directly in front of th motor. The splash area behind the bulkhead does not hold water. Of course it all goes out upon planning. Also, the bow looks unusually raised at rest, probably a factor of the added weight of twins. I think those Johnsons max out the 300 HP rating and probably (at about 400 lbs) represent the max anticipated weight on the transom.

Thanks again for your help. Makes me want to buy a Whaler.

Chap posted 10-18-2001 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
Hello,
Other people here are more familiar with your hull, however, I now believe that the area in front of the motor you refer to as full with water, not the side sumps, is the livewell area and not the splashbox/well/area behind the bulkhead, which you say is dry. That is good. The livewell in the aft cockpit sole will fill with water at rest with the plug out, earlier related. It could be plugged after running the water out or plumbed to keep it dryish. Washdown etc. goes in my 22's livewell as it is not guttered. We run and drain it dry and replug, quickly. I believe my boat floats higher with the livewell dry.
Chap
LarrySherman posted 10-18-2001 10:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
On my 25, the splashwell is "stepped": a full width section, and a deeper 1/2 width section. the thru hull is at the bottom of the deeper section.

With the splashwell plug out, the baitwell plugged and dry, about 105 gallons of gas, a Johnson 235 and a Merc 4stroke kicker (read about 600lbs on the transom), the water will fill the splashwell exactly halfway, IE, to the "step."


Larry.

Peter posted 10-18-2001 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Assuming the 25 is the same as the 22 in the transom, on my 22 there is a deep well within the splash well part of the transom. The fish well in the aft part of the cockpit sole drains into the deep well. I have a check valve on my fish well drain so that water does not run from the deep well to the fish well.

The thru-hull drain for the deep well is well below the water line so at rest the deep well will fill with water. My thru-hull drain is plugged and I have a bilge pump in the deep well to keep it dry. Clearly, if the thru-hull were not plugged, the transom would ride lower at rest. The deep well volume, if not plugged, is not displacing water so you lose some buoyency.

You chould check to see whether the thru-hull is plugged, if not that could be a reason why it rides low. It will ride higher if plugged and the deep well is dry.

Louie Kokinis posted 10-18-2001 05:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
My boat is pictured at rest (no plugs) on cetacea, pg 12. There is also a picture of my rear splash well on page 10.

The rear drains are usually in the water, but the well never holds more than an inch of water at rest. In the largest of downpours the extra water just drains through the bottom or rear drains. If I plug the boat (bottom) the waterline doesn't change. My previous 22 was powered with twin 135's - it squatted lower at rest, but never caused a problem.

I would suggest filling the boat with fuel and weighing it at a truck scale. When you get that number, subtract engine, battery, etc weights to see if the boats hull has retained water. If the weight comes in where it should, and if the survey is good, it sounds like you’re off to the races.

Louie

PS I would have a Whaler shop check the transom work.

lhg posted 10-18-2001 07:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
The built-up transom is probably the result of installing twin Counter Rotating engines with 25" shafts, usually the only way they have been made. The boat was originally designed in 1981 for twin 20" engines, before the advent of twin 25" shaft CR engines.

Building up the transom in this fashion is not the best way to accomplish the extra height needed for the engines, but as we know, many in the boating business are not all that sharp design-wise, and that seemed like a solution! When Whaler furnishes a 30" transom on these models, it looks original.

Your water issues don't seem like a problem. If you don't want water running into the corner floor sumps, just put the plugs in.

You can also keep water out of the splash well if you like, by simply installing 1-1/4" drain plugs. Then a small bilge pump and float switch can be used to get rid of splash, etc. I have done this on my 18 Outrage and I like it. It keeps the transom and battery boxes totally dry and useable for extra storage, particularly if the engines are set back on brackets.

ECUSeaPA posted 10-18-2001 08:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for ECUSeaPA  Send Email to ECUSeaPA     
lhg

That makes a lot of sense to me.

I remember seeing some detail on saturation on this site but can't find it now. Any ideas where it might be?

Thanks again.

ECUSeaPA posted 10-23-2001 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for ECUSeaPA  Send Email to ECUSeaPA     
Thanks for all of your help!

Boat surveyed ok. No moisture in hull! But, then owner went UP $1000 on our agreed to price. While its still a bargain, we had an agreement, and I told him that I would not pay anymore than the agreed upon price.

In some ways I hope he calls me tommorrow and takes our original agreement, and on the other hand, I'm not sure I want to give him one cent of my money!

Boat is a bargain if anyone is looking a 25 OR in need of TLC. Boat is in NC.

Thanks again for all of your help. You guys are the best, or at least as good as the guys on www.thehulltruth.com, and that's a high compliment!

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