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DJS posted 10-21-2001 01:18 PM ET (US)
I have been looking for a Outrage 22. Most that I find are equipped with a leaning post. I know several of the Outrage 18's have the swivel seat mounted on a pedestal, and some use the rps. My first reaction to the use of a leaning post is "who wants to stand up all day". However, I feel there must be some advantage to the leaning post or there wouldn't be so many boats equipped with them. Is there a way to sit on the leaning posts. Would appreciate anyone's input on the pros and cons of the three options listed in the subject line
David
David Ratusnik posted 10-21-2001 06:34 PM ET (US)
You can sit on a nice soft leaning post just fine. Several different models are available for various $$$'s. Most leaning posts have a storage area beneath the soft vinyl seating area. The issue you bring up has to do with your feet. Now, on my 22' outrage I put a little foot stool on the floor for my feet. I've seen some leaning posts where a piece of the post (aluminum) slips up toward the console for the feet. This is nice. I feel the leaning post gives one flexibilty, sit or stand, especially in rough water standing is sort of nice. Plus, the storage is real handy. Another factor is that the leaning post seems to add a bit of value to a center console fishing set up. My .03 cents.
acseatsri posted 10-21-2001 09:51 PM ET (US)
I have a leaning post in my 18'. I sit on it all the time, but when it's rough it's great to stand. Someone had mentioned that he made a seat back which fits in the rod holders, which I intend to do this winter. Mine also has a footrest in front and a hinged bar in the rear which holds the cooler from sliding from underneath the leaning post. Last but not least, it holds four fishing rods in a handy position.
Whalerdan posted 10-22-2001 06:15 AM ET (US)
I don't understand why anyone would want a pesestal rather than a RPS. With mine I have the option of using it as a leaning post or a seat. Best of both worlds.
David Ratusnik posted 10-22-2001 09:58 AM ET (US)
I noticed that Boaters'World sells a leaning post back, vinyl covered (white), that slips into the outside rod holders. Costs approx. $100. Making one up out of teak or some other quality wood might look real sharp.
JBCornwell posted 10-22-2001 10:01 PM ET (US)
I'm with Whalerdan this time. A RPS offers the best of both worlds, and the teak-back version is the best looking option.
Red sky at night. . .
JB :)
Arch Autenreith posted 01-29-2002 01:34 PM ET (US)
I wanted to bring this back to the top for more discussion.
I have the RPS on the Montauk and it’s on 2 inch teak blocks risers to clear the 28 Tempo tank. Problem is that my inseam is 29. 30 on a good day. I just can’t get my butt on the top to lean against it without my being on my tiptoes almost. I’ll bet I actually use the seat 1% of the time and the only reason I think I do that is because I feel obligated b/c it’s there. Lol. I do need to re-upholster and the new cushion will only make matters worse (higher). I want to go the leaning post route this time. Does anyone have it on a Montauk? I see several ones but just wondered who of you have used who to manufacture it. Are there any that aren’t ‘custom’ that fit (to keep the cost down)? Does it look dumb on the Montauk? I don’t want to ruin the overall look. You know what I mean. Other comments?
daverdla posted 01-29-2002 01:48 PM ET (US)
Arch,
I think someone else on the site said that they had left the seat legs alone and simply hinged the seat to access the tank. I'm thinking of doing the same thing, if I change tanks.
Its 70 degrees in Philly today. My boat is stored inside on a rack 100 miles away!!!
Dave
vdbgroup posted 01-30-2002 11:01 PM ET (US)
TO ARCH and others,

A leaning post on a Montauk is a godsend. I got mine from Birdsall Marine in West Palm Beach. Price tag for mine was around $800+ shipping. He makes a very basic leaning post
that is sized to fit over the Pate tank for around $400. I added rocket launchers, whale tail grab rail and tray storage. I later bought a folding back rest for $180. The leaning post has a crossbar foot rest with a non slip rubber insert. The addition of a leaning post made the Montauk a fantastic boat. Its great sitting on top, a little breezy, but you can see! Please feel free to email if you want further details.
FYI, I took the leaning post out of the Montauk and put in to my 18 Outrage after I took out the pedestal seats. ( Montauk now has the original teak RPS that I recently refurbished) I had them in the boat and never sat in them. I think these pedestal seats are a joke on a butt pounding Whaler. If you want mine, I will sell them gladly.
For more information go to www.birdallmarine.com. Talk to Bob Sr. FYI, Birdsall was recommended to me by Whaler CPD in 1995.
gunnelgrabber posted 01-30-2002 11:12 PM ET (US)
talley my vote with the traditionalists here.that rps is too nice,and well thought out to not use. especially in the situation you describe. i'd swap to another type tank,andremove the extra ht. spacer blocks! try that. i think you'd like it...lm
Arch Autenreith posted 01-30-2002 11:38 PM ET (US)
Thanks grabber and Dave. I was trolling for a response vdbgroup had. Even if the rps was low enough I would still be 'perched' on it vs. being able to actually lean back on something. Just needed to talk to someone who actually did it. I'll let you know how it goes.
Thanks.
Arch
hauptjm posted 01-31-2002 10:54 AM ET (US)
I agree the RPS is the best looking option of the three, but I have become very comfortable with my pedestals. They are original equipment and very high quality. The seat both turns and slides. Typically, I have the seat slid all the way back on its track because of my height (6'3"). I've found with it in this position, when I stand (most of the time), it doesn't interfere with my position. Also, when we troll offshore, I can steer facing forward and my mate can comfortably face aft to watch the lines. One other advantage is the gimbal option my boat came with on the chair. It really works well as a fighting chair for an 18-foot boat.
djmerrill posted 02-01-2002 09:42 PM ET (US)
I have a '91 Outrage 17 that was originally equipped with a whaler leaning post. When I bought it I intended to replace it with an RPS, which I eventually did. But, while I kept an eye out for an RPS, I used the boat with the post, and found that in many cases, it was very functional. Particularly, in rougher condtions (coast of Maine) it allowed a much more relaxed stance. If I kept the boat on the coast, I'd want the post. But, my primary usage is on the lake we live on, with my 3 year old. While you can sit on the post, especially at low speeds, its really a perch. The RPS is a reasonably comfortable seat, especially with a toddler balanced on your lap. With the back folded forward, it does a reasonable imitation of a leaning post. But since the back does not lock, you really dont have the rigid butt-stop that the post provides. And if you have an older, wooden seat back, there is no cushion. I've considered getting the cushion from the fiberglass seats and bolting it to my wooden one-anyone try this yet?
Doug
gvisko posted 02-02-2002 09:36 AM ET (US)
arch
i have a mollen 26 gal tank under my rps
on my montauk fits right under seat
with out shims
george v

Arch Autenreith posted 02-02-2002 07:21 PM ET (US)
gvisco.
Come on now. I can't throw out the 28 gal Tempo! (Unless someone wants to trade. Where was your suggestion when I need that info? ;-) Oh well. Thanks anyhow.
The ridgid butt-stop factor (as dgmerrill well says it) has been the deciding factor.
I've lived with the rps for 8 years now. Once the chop picks up just a little it becomes hard on my derriere to remain 'perched' on the rps. I need the leaning post to lean on and let my legs absorb most of it. Since the rps doesn't lock I can't lean against it of course.
vdbgroup. I can't find birdall marine but keep looking. Done the birdallmarine.com and the search but can't find it but will keep looking.
Anything I should be looking for in a leaning post on the Montauk? Launchers, other trays, fishing stuff, etc.? Even though I don't want to spend a small fortune I don't want to buy it and wish 'I should've gotten the....(option)'!
Arch
Ventura16 posted 02-02-2002 07:39 PM ET (US)
Try this:
http://www.birdsallmarine.com/index.html
they have some nice stuff...
Tom
Drisney posted 02-02-2002 07:44 PM ET (US)
Just to chime in......my friends' 18 or and another buddy's 21 ...the RPS's main drawback is that it moves in a rough (even semi-rough) sea...I wondered about the idea of putting a lock on it.
Dave
Arch Autenreith posted 02-02-2002 07:51 PM ET (US)
Thanks, Ventura. The 's' did the trick.
Arch
Now I'm definitely off to the Moose.

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Author	Topic: RPS, Leaning post, Swivel Seats
DJS	posted 10-21-2001 01:18 PM ET (US) I have been looking for a Outrage 22. Most that I find are equipped with a leaning post. I know several of the Outrage 18's have the swivel seat mounted on a pedestal, and some use the rps. My first reaction to the use of a leaning post is "who wants to stand up all day". However, I feel there must be some advantage to the leaning post or there wouldn't be so many boats equipped with them. Is there a way to sit on the leaning posts. Would appreciate anyone's input on the pros and cons of the three options listed in the subject line David
David Ratusnik	posted 10-21-2001 06:34 PM ET (US) You can sit on a nice soft leaning post just fine. Several different models are available for various $$$'s. Most leaning posts have a storage area beneath the soft vinyl seating area. The issue you bring up has to do with your feet. Now, on my 22' outrage I put a little foot stool on the floor for my feet. I've seen some leaning posts where a piece of the post (aluminum) slips up toward the console for the feet. This is nice. I feel the leaning post gives one flexibilty, sit or stand, especially in rough water standing is sort of nice. Plus, the storage is real handy. Another factor is that the leaning post seems to add a bit of value to a center console fishing set up. My .03 cents.
acseatsri	posted 10-21-2001 09:51 PM ET (US) I have a leaning post in my 18'. I sit on it all the time, but when it's rough it's great to stand. Someone had mentioned that he made a seat back which fits in the rod holders, which I intend to do this winter. Mine also has a footrest in front and a hinged bar in the rear which holds the cooler from sliding from underneath the leaning post. Last but not least, it holds four fishing rods in a handy position.
Whalerdan	posted 10-22-2001 06:15 AM ET (US) I don't understand why anyone would want a pesestal rather than a RPS. With mine I have the option of using it as a leaning post or a seat. Best of both worlds.
David Ratusnik	posted 10-22-2001 09:58 AM ET (US) I noticed that Boaters'World sells a leaning post back, vinyl covered (white), that slips into the outside rod holders. Costs approx. $100. Making one up out of teak or some other quality wood might look real sharp.
JBCornwell	posted 10-22-2001 10:01 PM ET (US) I'm with Whalerdan this time. A RPS offers the best of both worlds, and the teak-back version is the best looking option. Red sky at night. . . JB :)
Arch Autenreith	posted 01-29-2002 01:34 PM ET (US) I wanted to bring this back to the top for more discussion. I have the RPS on the Montauk and it’s on 2 inch teak blocks risers to clear the 28 Tempo tank. Problem is that my inseam is 29. 30 on a good day. I just can’t get my butt on the top to lean against it without my being on my tiptoes almost. I’ll bet I actually use the seat 1% of the time and the only reason I think I do that is because I feel obligated b/c it’s there. Lol. I do need to re-upholster and the new cushion will only make matters worse (higher). I want to go the leaning post route this time. Does anyone have it on a Montauk? I see several ones but just wondered who of you have used who to manufacture it. Are there any that aren’t ‘custom’ that fit (to keep the cost down)? Does it look dumb on the Montauk? I don’t want to ruin the overall look. You know what I mean. Other comments?
daverdla	posted 01-29-2002 01:48 PM ET (US) Arch, I think someone else on the site said that they had left the seat legs alone and simply hinged the seat to access the tank. I'm thinking of doing the same thing, if I change tanks. Its 70 degrees in Philly today. My boat is stored inside on a rack 100 miles away!!! Dave
vdbgroup	posted 01-30-2002 11:01 PM ET (US) TO ARCH and others, A leaning post on a Montauk is a godsend. I got mine from Birdsall Marine in West Palm Beach. Price tag for mine was around $800+ shipping. He makes a very basic leaning post that is sized to fit over the Pate tank for around $400. I added rocket launchers, whale tail grab rail and tray storage. I later bought a folding back rest for $180. The leaning post has a crossbar foot rest with a non slip rubber insert. The addition of a leaning post made the Montauk a fantastic boat. Its great sitting on top, a little breezy, but you can see! Please feel free to email if you want further details. FYI, I took the leaning post out of the Montauk and put in to my 18 Outrage after I took out the pedestal seats. ( Montauk now has the original teak RPS that I recently refurbished) I had them in the boat and never sat in them. I think these pedestal seats are a joke on a butt pounding Whaler. If you want mine, I will sell them gladly. For more information go to www.birdallmarine.com. Talk to Bob Sr. FYI, Birdsall was recommended to me by Whaler CPD in 1995.
gunnelgrabber	posted 01-30-2002 11:12 PM ET (US) talley my vote with the traditionalists here.that rps is too nice,and well thought out to not use. especially in the situation you describe. i'd swap to another type tank,andremove the extra ht. spacer blocks! try that. i think you'd like it...lm
Arch Autenreith	posted 01-30-2002 11:38 PM ET (US) Thanks grabber and Dave. I was trolling for a response vdbgroup had. Even if the rps was low enough I would still be 'perched' on it vs. being able to actually lean back on something. Just needed to talk to someone who actually did it. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks. Arch
hauptjm	posted 01-31-2002 10:54 AM ET (US) I agree the RPS is the best looking option of the three, but I have become very comfortable with my pedestals. They are original equipment and very high quality. The seat both turns and slides. Typically, I have the seat slid all the way back on its track because of my height (6'3"). I've found with it in this position, when I stand (most of the time), it doesn't interfere with my position. Also, when we troll offshore, I can steer facing forward and my mate can comfortably face aft to watch the lines. One other advantage is the gimbal option my boat came with on the chair. It really works well as a fighting chair for an 18-foot boat.
djmerrill	posted 02-01-2002 09:42 PM ET (US) I have a '91 Outrage 17 that was originally equipped with a whaler leaning post. When I bought it I intended to replace it with an RPS, which I eventually did. But, while I kept an eye out for an RPS, I used the boat with the post, and found that in many cases, it was very functional. Particularly, in rougher condtions (coast of Maine) it allowed a much more relaxed stance. If I kept the boat on the coast, I'd want the post. But, my primary usage is on the lake we live on, with my 3 year old. While you can sit on the post, especially at low speeds, its really a perch. The RPS is a reasonably comfortable seat, especially with a toddler balanced on your lap. With the back folded forward, it does a reasonable imitation of a leaning post. But since the back does not lock, you really dont have the rigid butt-stop that the post provides. And if you have an older, wooden seat back, there is no cushion. I've considered getting the cushion from the fiberglass seats and bolting it to my wooden one-anyone try this yet? Doug
gvisko	posted 02-02-2002 09:36 AM ET (US) arch i have a mollen 26 gal tank under my rps on my montauk fits right under seat with out shims george v
Arch Autenreith	posted 02-02-2002 07:21 PM ET (US) gvisco. Come on now. I can't throw out the 28 gal Tempo! (Unless someone wants to trade. Where was your suggestion when I need that info? ;-) Oh well. Thanks anyhow. The ridgid butt-stop factor (as dgmerrill well says it) has been the deciding factor. I've lived with the rps for 8 years now. Once the chop picks up just a little it becomes hard on my derriere to remain 'perched' on the rps. I need the leaning post to lean on and let my legs absorb most of it. Since the rps doesn't lock I can't lean against it of course. vdbgroup. I can't find birdall marine but keep looking. Done the birdallmarine.com and the search but can't find it but will keep looking. Anything I should be looking for in a leaning post on the Montauk? Launchers, other trays, fishing stuff, etc.? Even though I don't want to spend a small fortune I don't want to buy it and wish 'I should've gotten the....(option)'! Arch
Ventura16	posted 02-02-2002 07:39 PM ET (US) Try this: http://www.birdsallmarine.com/index.html they have some nice stuff... Tom
Drisney	posted 02-02-2002 07:44 PM ET (US) Just to chime in......my friends' 18 or and another buddy's 21 ...the RPS's main drawback is that it moves in a rough (even semi-rough) sea...I wondered about the idea of putting a lock on it. Dave
Arch Autenreith	posted 02-02-2002 07:51 PM ET (US) Thanks, Ventura. The 's' did the trick. Arch Now I'm definitely off to the Moose.