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22-foot hulls--Outrage versus Dauntless
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posted 10-30-2001 04:49 PM ET (US)
[This question has been editied to better focus its inquiry--jimh] How much better will a 22-Outrage perform [compared to a 22-Dauntless]? I plan to [boat and fish] most of the time in the Chesapeake Bay. [However,] I would like to fish on the Potomac with the [shallower] draft of the Dauntless but not at the risk of my safety [when back on the Chesapeake]. The Cheasapeake can get pretty rough in a thunderstorm. How much difference in safty and comfort is [there] between these two boats? Thanks, Ron
posted 10-31-2001 05:37 PM ET (US)
[Tried to help before the question was clarified]
posted 10-31-2001 10:35 PM ET (US)
First, welcome to the FORUM. It is a great place to get questions answered about Boston Whalers. We have some really experienced boaters here who will be glad to help you with this.
As you have surmised from the way you worded your question, the 22-Outrage is more suited for use offshore than the 22-Dauntless.
In terms of draft, I don't think there is a substantial difference. Let's see...
22-Outrage: DRAFT = 14-inches
You must be planing on fishing some pretty skinny water if two inches of draft is something to worry about.
Even it you went with a newer Outrage, it is still rather shalow draft
23-Outrage: DRAFT = 15-inches
Now to your question about the ride and handling of the 22-Dauntless: I couldn't tell you, because I've never seen one on the water, just in the dealer showroom. I have seen dozens of 22-Outrages banging around the Great Lakes, and they look rather seaworthy.
posted 10-31-2001 10:39 PM ET (US)
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posted 10-31-2001 10:56 PM ET (US)
I take it from your post that the 22 foot dauntless is not a popular boat Is this true? And if so do you have an opinion why thanks ron
posted 11-01-2001 01:24 AM ET (US)
Over the years Whaler has made many different models. In 40 years of production, there are a couple that really stand out from the rest in terms of continuing popularity.
First, there is the Montauk. The most popular 17 foot boat ever made, probably.
Next, there are the Outrages, the classics. The 18, 20, 22 and 25 Outrages are just the finest boats going for a open, center console boat. You can do anything, go anywhere with these boats. Pick your size and go.
Dig into the history of Whaler and you'll find they have made plenty of other boats. Sometimes they made a model for a few years, then it went away. Why was that? It may be that they changed owners or designer at that time, so they threw out the old and got themselves some new.
Maybe sales were bad on a model and they scrapped it. Maybe sales were good but it was too expensive to make it. Who knows, exactly.
They have only been making the 22-Dauntless for a few years. It is not surprising that I have not seen one on the water. It that to say it is unpopular? Who knows?
If it stays in the product line for a decade or two, then it was popular, that's about the only way to really tell.
posted 11-01-2001 07:36 AM ET (US)
Ron- I own a 1986 22' Outrage with a Johnson 225 swinging on a long bracket with T top and leaning post. It is a fishing machine- you can go offshore as you seem to be interested in doing. Also, the boat floats around flats of lagoons and the ICW just fine. Almost, like a flats boat. Now, I am impressed by the Dauntless modern era boat because it seems to me more like the classic Outrage than the modern named Outrage. The modern Outrage strikes me as bigger in the center console by a long shot over the 80's classic. Also, the modern Outrage would seem to have much taller floor/gunwhale distances although I've never measured the 2 against each other. I'd look up the "curbside" weight of the 3 boats and I bet you'd find the classic and Dauntless much less beefy than the modern Outrage. A few thoughts, and which ever you choose, you've made the correct decision. David
posted 11-01-2001 07:45 AM ET (US)
Another quick thought, you mentioned safety offshore. None of the 3 will go down in the roughest weather- I've been thru a couple squall lines challenging the claim. The biggest threat to a Whaler is fire, fire. All 3 can burn to the water line. Carrying a 3rd "hand held" VHF offshore deals with the fire safety issue. David
posted 11-01-2001 11:27 AM ET (US)
I started shopping for Boston Whalers quite some time ago. I wanted a 18-22 Classic Outrage but needed to rule out the new fish on the block. The modern Outrage was more boat than I wanted and the Dauntless seemed to offer what the Classics used to/do, big utlitarian skifflike animal, a big "little boat" vs. a little "big boat". I took a hard look at the 22 Dauntless, test swim and everything. With a head in the console I had to give it a chance to survive natural selection not only by me but by my girlfriend now wife. The 22 Classic and the 22 Dauntless are two different animals. The Dauntless is an inshore boat/pick your days carefully offshore(close to shore) boat. It rode great and moved along at a good clip but I got the feeling I was in a big bass boat/flats boat/bathtub and it would certainly be at the top of the food chain in its niche, great storage and goodies. That niche is however hard to describe due to its large size and price tag. The smaller Dauntless is probably a more realistic user friendly form of this boat. Low bow, no toe cove in the stern, rod holders flipped out into the cockpit space(trippers), Euro transom and a high bow deck near top of gunwales, low gunwales(put my 8 year old son in the boat at the dock and took a step back for viewing=not enough boat for what I do 90% of the time, fishing Barnegat Bay and Atlantic). I have fished the Chesy for rocks and it can get "offhsore" weather quick, its like the ocean at times. We now have a 22 Classic an da one bedroom/one bathroom apartment(instead of an 18 and a two bedroom/two bathroom apartment) and I believe it eats the 22 Dauntless for lunch under every circumstance, even larger various other species for that matter. I take it into the shallows with no trouble and run in reasonable weather in comfort and unreasonable weather safely. The 22 Dauntless would make a great ski/play boat or specialized light tackle fishing boat. It is not as general purpose or "offshore" fishing friendly, I throw my son in his tube without trouble or chase him in his Opti, fish everywhere except the shallowist of shallow places and can burden it with guests in decent clothes for the fireworks on the Toms River. Don't get me wrong, the 22 Dauntless is beautiful but I don't see the few that live on the river here out feeding where mine does.
posted 11-01-2001 04:15 PM ET (US)
I have seen this board get a tad full of itself when the uninitiated dare to ask a question.
This ws not the case, and I want to offer a well done to all who helped out here.
Having been out in the bay last weekend in a !GASP!22 foot Mako, I agree that you should err towards the side of more robust outrage. The you likley won't lose much range in the Potomac by giving up two inches. If you are heading upstream and notice a tow path on the right, your doomed regardless of the boat;)
posted 11-01-2001 04:48 PM ET (US)
After thought, when I think of the niche where the 22 Dauntless lives I think Pathfinder boats sans the ski pole.
Love the Mako 224.
posted 11-01-2001 05:18 PM ET (US)
Go with the Outrage I've had a 22 Revenge and now have a 24 Outrage and fish the sourthen Jersey. The Revenge had a single 225 and the 24 has twin 150's have taken the 24 70 miles offshore to the canyons as well as fished the back bays of Great bay it's the best boat I have ever owned. Buy the way the 24 is for sale moved up to a 31 Whaler for the offshore trips. Could make you a great deal.
posted 11-01-2001 05:18 PM ET (US)
I have the16 Dauntless and it works well for my uses - light fishing some water sports and exploring. I would probably opt for the outrage next time as I have had my boat down in the Chesapeake and it does get surprisingly rough. I chassed an Outrage and was able to stay reasonably close but it clearly handles the rough chop better with its Deeper V. I think youíll see the 22 Dauntless drop out of BW line, as I canít see a use for it. Too large for a lake boat IMHO, the Outrage will handle open water much better, more versatile over all. I think the 16 and 18 Dauntless will stick around, as they are a very versatile also and I see a lot of them in Southern NJ.
Anyway there was another thread somewhere and if Bear ever gets a new Modern for his computer he can chime in hear. I think the consensus was the outrage was a good choice for the Bay.
posted 11-01-2001 06:27 PM ET (US)
I've driven a 22' Daunltless 23' Outrage and classic 22' outrage. I liked the 22 Dauntless, didn't like the 23' outrage, and obviously love the 22 classic.
All are safe. The 23 outrage handles the big stuff a bit better in most conditions, but handled like a big boat vs a performance boat Ė I didnít like the way it tended to bowsteer in quartering and following seas. The Dauntless is more like the classic 22, it has to be driven, but it is nimble and with max power the boat is impressive. It tends to pound more, but if youíre usually in calm water itís a nice rig.
Last year I was told (by a little birdie) that CPD was going to replace the old 22 with the Dauntless hull. Theyíve since had a change of heart, and will be keeping the older 22-outrage hull. Good / Bad for the 22 Dauntless design I donít know, but I give the hull a thumbs up.
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