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ContinuousWave: The Whaler GAM or General Area
posted 11-03-2001 06:12 AM ET (US)
David mentioned the danger of fire in another post.Besides the handheld
VHF are there other safety measures to take? I worry about the Mercruiser in my 85 GTX. Are there better gas lines? Sensors?
posted 11-03-2001 08:53 AM ET (US)
Curtis, be prepared! Get the best marine fire extinguisher (BC or ABC) and also a Halon firex! make at least two holes in engine cover through which you can stuff the firex nozzel! Put a flap or some closure over the holes that are easy to flip open or remove... This because if you lift the engine cover a smoldering fire will explode to life!!! Also make sure all blowers are off, shut off fuel valve (if you don't have one, get one,,, if you have one, find it and make sure it's operable...empty all contents of std fires through one of the holes and then use the Halon! Get all passengers overboard and get boat away from docks or other boats... others will no doubt have more suggestion! Take heed to all and "be preparred"! Happy GTXing... Clark ...Conflagration Division of Spruce Creek Navy
posted 11-03-2001 07:41 PM ET (US)
Thanks, Good advice. How would you know, though, without a smoke alarm or sensor or something up under there.I saw a GTX on Dave's Upholstery website with drinkholders in the engine cover. Maybe they could doubly serve as access for fire extinguishers/Halon.
posted 11-03-2001 08:49 PM ET (US)
My practice with a gas inboard was to ALWAYS open the engine compartment before I fired up the engine. I was taught to sniff the bilge as the best way to avoid a surprise. Blowers and sensors don't have the same surety as a human nose.
I know others who open up only after a gas up, but I guess I'd rather take the few minutes extra (probably makes me appear paranoid). All in all, fire or explosion avoidance is a a good reason to own an outboard or a diesel!
BTW, I always carry 3 extinguishers, 2 std and one big boy--and with current inspection dates and pressure indicator dials. 9Also carry one in my cars ever since I had an engine fire in an 86 ford. i had stopped at a McDonalds to order a burger, and at that very instant, the car filled with blue smoke..oil and plastic burning...I shouted into the mike that I needed an extinguisher, not the burger.
Car fires are easy....you get out--run away if you have to. Boat fires are a bit more complex. Best to avoid them for sure.
posted 11-04-2001 07:29 AM ET (US)
Curtis, check out commercially available heat and smoke detection equipment! Also there are commercially availabe access ports for engine compartment! Also there are automatic fire ext. systems that will activate upon detection! Depends on how far you want to go. BTW, I has an accident on Oct 1 in Perry, Fla (my fault). I hit a car with my Jeep Grand Cherokee and although a low inpact situation, a fire started in my engine compartment! Smoke was rolling out so I grabbed the fire ext. from the Jeep (a small abc type) and emptied it through the grill. A bystander grabbed the larger BC extinguisher from my 21 Whaler, which was in tow, and I yanked open the hood (big blast of heat, no flames yet) and emptied the contents of firex. Almost simultaneously, the flames appeared and it took the local firetruck to put it out... Jeep was totaled!
I just purchased two big A, BC, USCG rated extinquishers (the ones with the hose and nozzle) for my boat and for my new Jeep. I'm never going to be caught waiting for the firetruck again! And thanks to all the helpful and very nice people in Perry who assisted my wife, Sonia, and me!
Happy Whalin'... Clark... Spruce Creek Navy
posted 11-04-2001 07:47 AM ET (US)
Ck. out Boat US catalogue 2001 page 195 They offer two ports to mount on engine box one to look into engine comp. and one to insert extinguisher nozzle into engine compartment. The price is 5.99 each.I have seen the same port on some new boats factory installed at boat shows.The same page has fume dectors listed all my inboards had fume dectors I would not have a inboard boat with out a fume dector.
posted 11-04-2001 10:34 AM ET (US)
Thanks, all. Also,I know I saw in some post about "older" gas line, pre-alcohol. My assumption was new gas with alcohol corrodes the old line. Anybody know?
posted 11-04-2001 11:09 AM ET (US)
I was under the impression that they no longer made Halon fire extinguishers anymore.
posted 11-04-2001 11:20 AM ET (US)
OutrageMan is correct, Halon has been outlawed. It was replaced by FE-241 (chlorotetrafluoroethane).
posted 11-05-2001 03:52 PM ET (US)
Curtis - yes, be sure your boat is equipped with the newer (1989 or newer) alcohol resistant fuel lines. Alcohol in the fuel will turn the old style hoses into mush when fuel is flowing in them, and then cause them to get rock-hard & brittle if dry.
posted 11-05-2001 08:55 PM ET (US)
Whew! Whole lot to consider! I probably need to replace a lot of rubber hoses,etc,( got fresh water cooling),but I have too many projects that cost money, including a junior in college.My GTX is a ski/tube/ board/cruiser on Lake Oconee, Georgia, so I may not worry too much except about the 1)Big extinguisher(s), 2) Holes to shoot the extinguishers into, and 3) New gas line. Thanks all.
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