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JohnAz posted 12-02-2001 10:45 AM ET (US)   Profile for JohnAz   Send Email to JohnAz  
Does any one know how fast an Outrage 22 would go with 2 OMC 40hp's,,,
jimh posted 12-02-2001 11:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I think that boat is rather under-powered. I doubt it could get on plane with only 80-HP.

The twins make it more marginal since there is twice the lower-unit drag.

JohnAz posted 12-02-2001 11:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for JohnAz  Send Email to JohnAz     
Thanks,,JIMH,,but the keword in KNOW..not think...an engineer out there would "know" or some one with similar weight boat,,,maximum of 3 persons by the way,,,
Thanks,,,,a single 40hp, will push an 18ft boat at 26mph,,,
dfmcintyre posted 12-02-2001 12:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
I don't think your going to find a definative answer, i.e. someone who's BTDT.

As far as the single 40 pushing an 18 @ 26.... how much did/does the 18 weigh?

JBCornwell posted 12-02-2001 12:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Even an Engineer is not going to KNOW, John, unless you supply precise answers to every variable, including friction coefficient of the bottom at the time.

In at least one brochure for Classics, BW states that the Classic OR-22 REQUIRES at least 85HP to plane satisfactorily with a light load.

Hope that helps.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

David Ratusnik posted 12-02-2001 02:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
I don't even see the point -- time or money to mount twin 40's-- sounds like a viable commercial crab fishing set up - not much else. D
JohnAz posted 12-02-2001 02:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnAz  Send Email to JohnAz     
Ilive in Lake Havasu and would only use it for fishing,,have another ski-boat,,,only need to go maybe 25 mph.
David Ratusnik posted 12-02-2001 02:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
John- You must already own the 2 40's. If not, I would never elect to put them on a 22' Outrage- even to fish. The parts section in most BoatTraders lists used motors in the 175-200 horse ratings that would better suit a fishing purpose. I wouldn't want to go into a stiff wind with less than 150 on a 2K plus Outrage. D
Peter posted 12-02-2001 03:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
In a 1990 catalog for the 22 Outrage, Whaler's published minimum horsepower to plane satisfactorily with a light load is 90. This confirms Jim's thought that it would be underpowered with twin 40s and therefore I doubt anybody has ever rigged a 22 Outrage in such manner. Since this hypothetical setup is unlikely to get on a plane, I think maximum speed could be no better than about 12 to 14 mph with horrible fuel economy and a very short engine life.
David Ratusnik posted 12-02-2001 04:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
John- The upside is that the twin motors give you fantastic control in tight spots plus if one goes down you get home- unless of course the gas is severely fouled. I know a guy who had a 22 with twin 80's and he loved the boats performance-160 hp with a bit of drag. Good luck D
JohnAz posted 12-02-2001 04:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnAz  Send Email to JohnAz     
Thanks every one,,2x 80's seems to be the answer,,,
OutrageMan posted 12-02-2001 08:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
I am not sure twin 80's will be up to the task either. I am sure for the cost of the twins, you could get a at least a 175. I owned a 22 Outrage w/250. I am not sure why you would want to dramatically underpower this boat. All you will gain is terrible gas economy and increased wear on the motors.

Brian

David Ratusnik posted 12-02-2001 09:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
John-- Note below OUtrageman's comment. If you do not have engines or have angle to get them for a song, then his point makes sense. Best bet is older 200+hhp OMC engine-Buy all day for +-2K in BoatTrader. If you underpower you will be unhappy-the boat scoots with an older 200. D
george nagy posted 12-02-2001 09:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
I think a single with kicker would be your answer. I'm curious I recently saw a 22' with a 175, how does the 22' move with a 175?
Erich posted 12-02-2001 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Erich  Send Email to Erich     
Not that this has any significance to the conversation, but I ran a 22 Outrage when I was in the Coast Guard, she had twin 115 Evinrudes and she'd fly! Then they took her away and gave us a 17' Avon Rhib with a 70 Evinrude..Talk about a step DOWN! The Rhib had that stupid "saddle" and had no room at all. The Outrage was our favorite boat at the station.
jimh posted 12-02-2001 11:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
My answer was not based on idle speculation. Where my only resource is idle speculation I usually decline to answer.
JohnAz posted 12-03-2001 08:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for JohnAz  Send Email to JohnAz     
jimh,,I appreciate your input,and thank you,,
Glenn Weigle posted 12-07-2001 01:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Glenn Weigle  Send Email to Glenn Weigle     
A 22' with a 225 Johnson moves along at 58-60 mph
Bigshot posted 12-07-2001 02:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
A 22 will not do 60. My 20' Hydra with a 225 does 53 on a good day.
kingfish posted 12-07-2001 02:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Glenn-

That's an unusually high speed for that combination - what do you have to do to get those kind of numbers?

Low 50's is about the best I've seen.

kingfish

OutrageMan posted 12-07-2001 07:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
My 91 22 Outrage w/ Whaler Drive and a T-Top powered by a Yamaha 250 did 43 mph on the GPS.

My uncle's 22 w/ 225 Evinrude w no t-top or WD did about the same.

I have never heard of 58-60 mph 22 that wasn't over powered dramatically.

What are you using to get those numbers? My only thought would be a malfunctioning pitot speedometer.

Brian

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