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WhalerAce posted 12-27-2001 12:58 PM ET (US)   Profile for WhalerAce   Send Email to WhalerAce  
Hello, All. I am a new poster (this is my first), though I have been eavesdropping for several months now. And thank you Jim for doing such a great job. I appreciate the service that you are providing us!

I would like to hear from Temptation owners. As background, I started off with a 15í Sport, then a new Montauk, and now we have a 1989 Outrage 22 with Whaler Drive, bow pulpit and tuna tower, with twin Evinrude 120s. Problem is, neither my wife nor I are fisher-persons. We use our Whaler to cruise the waterways around Charleston SC and have taken the boat to the Bahamas on several occasions, in fact we accompanied WhaleLure and BackLash on the inaugural Bahamas Rendezvous in 1993 (or the trip-of-hell, as we called it).

Anyhow, since we cruise, sun-soak and waterski instead of fishing, the thought occurred to us that a Temptation might be a better choice for us than the Ourtrage. I donít want to have to maintain the big 200+ HP engines that the 25s would require, so I figured that the 22s would be better suited to my meager budget. I have seen a couple advertised and even looked at one in San Juan PR but I have yet in actually ride in one.

We are after something than can be comfortable for the wife (you know, cushioned seats and cup holders) and something that maybe we could throw an air mattress in for a quick night under the stars. But it HAS TO BE a WHALER.

So, I would really like to hear from you Temptation owners, or even the thoughts of non-owners (and especially from Larry Goltz) as to how you like it, what you donít like about it, and what you would change about it. I realize, too, that there are very limited years that these boats were available.

Look forward to hearing from you!


Ace

Bigshot posted 12-27-2001 01:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I'm with you as well, very little fishing happens on my boat. You can still fish a Temp and the layout is great. I like the way they look and the fact you can rob one due to their "unwhalerlike" characteristics. the 22 is also my favotite, not too big or too small.
zpeed7 posted 12-27-2001 11:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for zpeed7  Send Email to zpeed7     
Just wondering, but was that Temptation you looked at in PR docked at Cangrejos Yacht Club??
Eagleman posted 12-28-2001 11:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
WhalerAce,
Last summer at the Door County Rendezvous a 25' Temptation joined us. The boat has an interesting layout with the forward covered bow area. Personally I felt that the cockpit area was limited for space and if you had more than 2 people aboard you'd be tripping over each other. I've got a 22' Outrage and we enjoy the flexability that the layout provides, as you know. I would assume that a 22' Temptation usable space would be more restrictive than the 25'Temptation cockpit area. Maybe the 22' Revenge would be a better choice.Let me know if you find a different boat my nephew could be interested in getting back into a real boat.
Good luck shopping,
Eagleman
WhalerAce posted 12-31-2001 08:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for WhalerAce  Send Email to WhalerAce     
ZSpeed7: The Temptation that I saw was on a trailer in the marina opposite the Condado bridge. It had been painted white, as had what I guess were the Sea Drives, and the boat had a red painted stripe and the engines had the Evinrude name painted in red. The boat was locked, but what I could see looked like it was a nice boat. Sorry I don't remember the name of the marina (but they have a good restaurant in it).


Eagleman: I have looked at the Revenges and test drove one, but was not real happy with how it performed -- seemed sluggish in its response, more than I would have expected for the little additional weight that the cabin would add. Not really crazy about a cuddy outrage either. We have friends in Tampa that have a 27 Cuddy that is REAL NICE, but I think a cuddy on any smaller size Whaler would be too cramped. (The 27 has a 10' beam and that makes a big difference up front as well)

I would still like to hear from folks like Larry Goltz and Clark Roberts as to the construction characteristics of the Temptation. Is it on the same quality level as the Outrage? Is the deck kindof like an "add-on" because surely it cannot be part of the mold. Any reported problems in general with the Temptation series?

I have several Whaler catlogues from the eighties, but none show the Temptation, Mischief or GTX series. Any thoughts from all of you readers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Ace


PS The more I look, the more I think that I really do want the 25' Temptation as opposed to the 22'. I am scheduled to test two 25s in San Diego, and one in New York in the next couple of weeks, so PLEASE let the advice come in!!!

TD1 posted 01-01-2002 08:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for TD1  Send Email to TD1     
WhalerAce:
I currently have a 20 Temptation. After owning almost every model Whaler made, I find this to be very satisfying due to the creature comforts for wife & Kids. It also is the most yachtlike boat I've seen for 20ft

Still have original 200 h.p. Johnson 1987. I have further info if needed. Good luck.

David Ratusnik posted 01-03-2002 08:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Ace- I agree with Bigshot, you've got to get the boat for a song. Dollars should not be anything close to equivalent length Outrage or Revenge. Demand for the boat is just not there. David
lhg posted 01-04-2002 07:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Hello Ace! I was wondering when you might find your way to this website! Glad to see you're still out there Whalering around Charleston, and it's good to hear from you.

I assume the 22 you have is the same one you took to the 1994 Bahama rendezvous, but I don't remember the tuna tower.

Anyway, regarding the Temptations, I agree with Eagleman's opinion, having seen the same 25 Temptation that he did. For some reason, I just don't like the visual proportions of the 25, and the bow is very awkward to gain access to. It is a big heavy boat, upholstered more like a car inside than a Whaler. I agree that the 22 looks the best.

But I would think twice about buying one. I don't think they offer all weather protection canvas systems. Have you considered staying with your 22, and simply equipping it with the Mills canvas system. Take a look at Kingfish's website, for his 22 Outrage so equipped. Although I am partial and biased regarding the "Outrage" series, I can say this came from a thorough investigation of all 4 versions of the 1989 25' hulls when I ordered mine (Outrage, Outrage Cuddy, Revenge and Temptation). In my opinion, and for my purposes, the Outrage version, WITH THE FULL MILLS CANVAS OPTION, won handsdown for all around flexibility of use. I had several criteria:

1. Warm, possibly humid, fair weather boating. The full open bow of the Outrage wins here, with the most "walkaround, open-air and lounging around" space. Any boat with an enclosed cabin would be less desireable in these conditions, with the cabin being either a humid, hell hole, or simply a place where noboby wants to go.

2. Fishing, deep sea trolling. Once again, the Outrage has the most "fishable" space, with the open bow a great asset, but yet has the canvas options for weather protection if necessary.

3. All weather boating, including cold, wind
and heavy rain. The Outrage with Mills canvas is absolutely great in this regard, with great flexibility as to what pieces are required. The Revenge/Mills is good here also, with the Cuddy being less flexible and the Tempatation the worst. But the large, high headroom, open ended space of the Outrage/Forward shelter, is a much more hospitable place for someone to get out the rain/sun and still relax in the boat, or sit on the cooler seat. The low ceiling and cramped space of the other models doesn't work in this regard.

4. Long distance cruising, overnighting:
In my opinion, here again the Outrage/Mills combination has much more enclosed, high headroom, space. See picture in Cetacea page 11. None of the other models have this much flexibility of use, nor as much enclosed space for cruising and living aboard.

So, if I were you, I would stay with the Outrage series, but remove the tuna tower, and buy the Mills canvas system. Same would apply if you want to move up to a 25.

Let me know if I can be of additional help.
Good luck with your search.

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