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philmoses posted 01-09-2002 11:49 PM ET (US)   Profile for philmoses   Send Email to philmoses  
Hello all,
After searching and not finding what I wanted, I went to the boat show to check out the new 13 whalers. I have to say I like the space, there is more in the new ones than there was in 89 or so. Secondly, you get a 5 year warranty on the Mercury 4 stroke if you buy one before spring. Thinking of a 5 year warranty and knowing I wouldn't have to worry about break-downs or anything to the like has me very much pulling for buying new.
Here in So cal. a dealer has the 13 with full seating and cushion package, wrap around rail and a 40 horse Merc 4 stroke for under 12,000. Shoot me some opinions here. I know this is a classics board but I would be looking at 5 years of warranty, which is nice.
The other thing is I would like to know how far people have gone on a 13. Here in San Diego it is not like in Fla where a storm will pop up and get rowdy, usually you know the conditions prior to launch. I have visions of going to the 9 mile bank and down to the Coronado islands to get some good yellowtail in this thirteen (of course I would have to bring extra fuel)
Am I crazy for considering this? I mean it would be unsinkable and have a new engine and hell, even at the 9 veseel assist is only about 25 minutes away.
Let me know your thoughts, thanks.
Phil

If anyone knows someone selling a 13-15 in So Cal, let me know.

Whaler15 posted 01-10-2002 02:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler15  Send Email to Whaler15     
Sounds a little steep to me. I thought the new 13' packages were selling for around 9-10K/ I guess it's because of the four stroke motor.

Have you considered buying a 13 classic and putting a new motor on it?

Samars posted 01-10-2002 07:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for Samars  Send Email to Samars     

A lot of money for a 13...I guess it depends on one's viewpoint...all 13's and for that matter all Whalers whether new or 37 years old like mine are "unsinkable". My enjoyment comes from knowing my boat (solemate, but don't tell my wife!) inside an out...and working on her and pampering her till she is like new! I am also one who likes to keep as much of the boat as original as possible so when someone says they are looking at $12,000 for a new 13, I have to say hey! pick up a good used "all the bugs out" whaler fix her up with the accessories you want, the motor you are comforatable with and have money left over. I second Whaler15 on just buying a new motor.

I am not familar with where you fish...but for less money, you may look into a slightly larger 15 or 17 Whaler for your needs...just my thoughts though.

I am still envious of all you out there they are not looking at 30 to 40 degree weather, snow and out back their precious Whaler, lonely and covered up ! ! !

Bigshot posted 01-10-2002 10:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Gonna be 70 today! $12k for a friggin 13' boat? Not me. There is a guy on E-Bay with a 2001 for $8500? For $12k you can get a Montauk and repower with a 5 year warranty and have a boat worthy of nine miles out. I was tempted at the $7995 model with the 25hp 4 stroke but reality set in that I would be bored with it in a week and would want the 40hp but then it was closer to $10k....etc.
JFM posted 01-10-2002 10:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Cinti dealer has a 2001 13' sport new with 40 4 stroke Merc. with trailer $9995.00. I don't think the Merc has a 5 year warr.. Regards, Jay
newboater posted 01-10-2002 01:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for newboater  Send Email to newboater     
Phil,
I just bought my 13 last October/November and I'm down in Mission Bay. I'm local and Iíve gone a few thousand miles up and down the coast of southern Ca in our sailboat. I think I understand what you want to do and the conditions you might see.

There are days when it would be no problem to take 13í Whaler out the Coranados or out to the 9-mile bank. And there are days well, it would be foolish to do so. In settled weather I would say no problem, provided you have a VHF radio, a GPS receiver, and a chart. My wife and I were commenting how we would feel safe in the Whaler crossing to Catalina from Newport in the early morning hours.

One thing is for sure though, the rougher the weather, the less fun you are going to have. My 13 is not exactly what Iíd call comfortable in any sort of wind chop. It will jar the fillings out of your teeth if you try to take it into whitecaps generated by 15kts of wind. That kind of weather is common in the afternoons in the summer. If you are smart, you will get to your fishing destination early when it is calm and come home with the wind at your back. Iíve heard the newer 13ís have a better ride, so maybe itís less of a concern with a new boat.

The other comment would be by the time you get a bait tank, all your gear, and the beer filled cooler in the 13, you might find it might be a bit small. I suppose it depends on how much stuff you bring and how much room you have to store a boat.

Lastly, on to price and buying new or used. It really comes down to what type of person you are and how much disposable income you have. Throwing 12k at a Whaler isnít even an option for me. The total value of our 3 cars is less than half that, but Iím willing to do my own repairs and put up with transportation that doesnít have all the latest bells and whistles. If you have 12k to throw at a boat and you want a 13 with a new motor Iíd say go for it!

As a point of comparison, we got our í73 Whaler on a tired trailer, in El Centro for $1500. The hull is in great shape the wood needs refinishing. The motor (í74 Evinrude 40Hp), if youíve been following, Iíve had some trouble with but I slowly isolated it down to a fuel pump and it runs fine. Iím up to maybe 2k in my investment to date. I looked on line yesterday and found a new Honda 30Hp for a little over 3K. I could repower and have a 4 stroke for a total investment of about 5-6K. (of course I wonít as long as the current motor runs, but one could)

If you want to come down and go for a ride this weekend Iíll be around Saturday afternoon and would be glad to take you out.

Dave S.

Novice Dave posted 01-10-2002 02:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Novice Dave    
Hi Phil,

I bought a new Sport 13 with the Merc 40hp 4 stroke last spring...we love it even with it's limitations. It's used in the ocean off Santa Barbara and in local lakes for fishing, tubing and just cruising.

The Santa Barbara Channel can kick up pretty good and we usually don't go out more than about 10 miles. You can pilot standing up which is great fun but not for the seated passengers. The boat has always felt safe and can handle more chop than I can.

The 13 is good for 1 or 2 fishermen but 3 is the practical limit. The 40hp planes well with 3 people but 4 large people(visiting relatives) kept it from planing even with the 4 blade prop. I have two 6 gallon gas tanks but have yet to use a whole one on an outing. The 4 stroke is quiet, clean and easy on gas.

The boat package, Dave's seating and bimini top, Mills cover, Raytheon fishfinder and Power Tech 4 blade stainless prop brought the costs up to about $13k. I disagree with the others and IMHO I think it is a bargain.

If I get a larger boat to haul more people farther, I still want the 13 for me. It's a fun, hassle free toy that is easy to tow, launch and retrieve by myself.

If you like working on boats, get an old one and fix her up. If you don't and can afford a new one, you will enjoy washing it after each use.

I say "fun" too much when I talk about this boat.

Dave

JFM posted 01-10-2002 03:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Dave, I'll sell you a '72 13' sport for half that. Make that even half that. Just kidding. Us landlocked Whaler lovers that can only use a 13' sport a couple times a year can't see the same value. I'll just wait till spring or Fla...which ever comes first.
Hey Bigshot it hit 52 at 3:00! Regards, Jay
Bigshot posted 01-10-2002 04:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Hell, it is only 62 here!
JBCornwell posted 01-10-2002 04:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Hey, Phil. Look on ebay. There are (were?) 3 13s on there. Hardensheetmetal has a beauty on there that you can buy and save enough bux to take the family to Bimini for a week. He is a Whaler person so it is probably Bristol (Better than neew).

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

Novice Dave posted 01-10-2002 05:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Novice Dave    
Hey JFM you're right. Utilization is the key. Per trip cost is pretty reasonable if you use the boat all year. I am doing my best to wear it out.

It's a sunny 75 at 2:00PM here and the Sport will be in the water tomorrow. The trout are probably safe from me...I do more fishing than catching but it's a good excuse to be on the water.

Regards, Dave

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