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bc posted 01-20-2002 01:54 PM ET (US)
Just curious, Has anyone ever swamped a 15'er. If so, did the engine well plugs help much in getting rid of the water. Or did you floor the motor and run the water over the notched transom. Or bilge pump. Thanks, hope everyone is braving the cold ok.
BC
JBCornwell posted 01-20-2002 02:22 PM ET (US)
Hi, BC. I have swamped a 17 several times. I opened the throttle enough to dump most of it over the transom, then I pulled the cockpit drain plug and drove it dry. While dumping over the transom one must watch out for any loose, floating gear that might go with it.
I suppose that the same thing would work with a 15, but haven't owned one so I don't really know.
Red sky at night.. .
JB :)
llewellyn posted 01-20-2002 03:28 PM ET (US)
JB or anyone, have you taken the plug out of your 17 when in the water but not under way? I'm curious regarding how much water will collect if left unattended with the plug out after a heavy rain?
daverdla posted 01-20-2002 04:04 PM ET (US)
Llewellyn,
I tried keeping my montauk docked with the plug out. The water level in the stern was about 1-2". Rain will not change it, as soon as you pull the plug the water will enter. The level is not too bad but if you stand in the back of the boat, the water rises to the lip of the battery box. If you use bottom paint, the paint line has to be higher - not very attractive.
My boat may be more stern heavy than most, I have a 100HP evinrude 2 cycle with the battery and oil tank in the stern. I prefer keeping the plug in and leaving my bildge pump in auto. I think that others on this site have routinely kept the plug out.
Dave
jimh posted 01-20-2002 04:53 PM ET (US)
What "15'er" are you talking about?
On my 15-Sport (1976) there is no notched transom nor are there plugs in the motor well drains.
JohnAz posted 01-20-2002 05:09 PM ET (US)
I have taken a wave over the top of my classic 13,,,40-OMC,just add power and most of the water runs over the transom, drain plug and small bilge pump clears the rest in short order,,my battery is in a steering console well above the floor,,and yes you do have to go back for loose flotation gear that washes over the top,,,
bc posted 01-20-2002 07:35 PM ET (US)
Jimh,
1981 striper. No plugs in mine either, I should have said motor well drain "holes" instead of "plugs". On the transom, it does seem lower at the motor than on the sides, thats what I meant by "notched". Anyway, I hope that cleared it up. Thanks.
BC
EasyE posted 01-20-2002 08:10 PM ET (US)
Have u ever seen a whaler at a mooring with the plug out for over 3 weeks? Moss starts to grow in the boat and the floor gets slipery. Trust me, I have already bruised my knee that way!
Then you have to scrub the moss off and dull the finish in the prosess.
I have an idea. Keep boat plugged. Get a bilge pump. Keep it on auto on a seperate battery than the one used for startin engine. Buy a tractor/motorcycle battery dedicated for your bilge pump. Buy one of those 12v solar battary chargers and your all set-EasyE
bc posted 01-20-2002 09:15 PM ET (US)
JB-
Are you using a bilge pump in your Montauk? Or do you drain it most of the time like mentioned above?
Thanks,
BC
JBCornwell posted 01-20-2002 09:31 PM ET (US)
I don't currently have a bilge pump in her, BC, but I am going to install one.
Red sky at night. . .
JB :)
lpaton posted 01-21-2002 06:29 AM ET (US)
Swamped a 15' striper in the surf zone off the Barbary coast in west Africa in'83. Boat was full of dive gear ,water to the gunnals and surf all around. Pulled the plug,gunned it and prayed it would lose water and get some speed before the next wave got me. All went well and that was when I decided that one day I would have my own whaler.
Laird
george nagy posted 01-21-2002 01:50 PM ET (US)
Yes I have swamped my old 15'. Many times as My friends and I got bigger the number of times I swamped the boat grew. I just used the 70 horses and pumped it over the stern. I almost always took the lower plug out when underway in the ocean. The 15' had a real tendancy to take water over the bow in a rough sea. I LOVED it though!
TightPenny posted 01-21-2002 05:32 PM ET (US)
Filled my old sport 15 a number of times in the Barnegat Inlet. Just kept it running and most of the water self bailed. Pulled the plug and bailed the rest. Kinda ruins your sandwiches though. :)
Flipper posted 01-21-2002 10:16 PM ET (US)
I took a couple of our guests out into the channel in my 15 to watch the poker run last August, and while I was maneuvering for a good view, the combined wakes of the first wave of boats put a tsunami over my transom. With three of us sitting across the aft thwart, the boat felt like she was going to capsize; so I gunned it and watched fifty gallons of water (and my shoes) flow over the dip in the transom. I let my bildge pump finish the job, while I kept her nosed into the chop. I was glad to have the bildge pump that day, because I was able to stay at the controls to avoid more 'swampings'. I think I will replace the 350 with a 600 GPH for next summer, though.
jameso posted 01-22-2002 09:30 AM ET (US)
Swamped my 15 sportin the surf of Cumberland Is GA. The anchor slipped and the boat was sideways in the surf during a rising tide. I had left the boat to do a short recon when I returned the boat was full of water and more was coming in with each wave. I pulled the plug and started the bilge pump, managed to get the bow into the surf and in 30 mins or so I was able to get engine started and motor out. This is quite a job if you are alone.
Joys of coastal exploring,,and I cannot understand why people do not want to put a bilge pump in a 15?
Jim Armstrong
llewellyn posted 01-23-2002 09:45 AM ET (US)
Thanks,Dave and EasyE. We're going to Bahia Honda and Sanibel, each for a week, and can moor or dock the boat where we stay.

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Author	Topic: Has anyone ever "swamped" a 15'
bc	posted 01-20-2002 01:54 PM ET (US) Just curious, Has anyone ever swamped a 15'er. If so, did the engine well plugs help much in getting rid of the water. Or did you floor the motor and run the water over the notched transom. Or bilge pump. Thanks, hope everyone is braving the cold ok. BC
JBCornwell	posted 01-20-2002 02:22 PM ET (US) Hi, BC. I have swamped a 17 several times. I opened the throttle enough to dump most of it over the transom, then I pulled the cockpit drain plug and drove it dry. While dumping over the transom one must watch out for any loose, floating gear that might go with it. I suppose that the same thing would work with a 15, but haven't owned one so I don't really know. Red sky at night.. . JB :)
llewellyn	posted 01-20-2002 03:28 PM ET (US) JB or anyone, have you taken the plug out of your 17 when in the water but not under way? I'm curious regarding how much water will collect if left unattended with the plug out after a heavy rain?
daverdla	posted 01-20-2002 04:04 PM ET (US) Llewellyn, I tried keeping my montauk docked with the plug out. The water level in the stern was about 1-2". Rain will not change it, as soon as you pull the plug the water will enter. The level is not too bad but if you stand in the back of the boat, the water rises to the lip of the battery box. If you use bottom paint, the paint line has to be higher - not very attractive. My boat may be more stern heavy than most, I have a 100HP evinrude 2 cycle with the battery and oil tank in the stern. I prefer keeping the plug in and leaving my bildge pump in auto. I think that others on this site have routinely kept the plug out. Dave
jimh	posted 01-20-2002 04:53 PM ET (US) What "15'er" are you talking about? On my 15-Sport (1976) there is no notched transom nor are there plugs in the motor well drains.
JohnAz	posted 01-20-2002 05:09 PM ET (US) I have taken a wave over the top of my classic 13,,,40-OMC,just add power and most of the water runs over the transom, drain plug and small bilge pump clears the rest in short order,,my battery is in a steering console well above the floor,,and yes you do have to go back for loose flotation gear that washes over the top,,,
bc	posted 01-20-2002 07:35 PM ET (US) Jimh, 1981 striper. No plugs in mine either, I should have said motor well drain "holes" instead of "plugs". On the transom, it does seem lower at the motor than on the sides, thats what I meant by "notched". Anyway, I hope that cleared it up. Thanks. BC
EasyE	posted 01-20-2002 08:10 PM ET (US) Have u ever seen a whaler at a mooring with the plug out for over 3 weeks? Moss starts to grow in the boat and the floor gets slipery. Trust me, I have already bruised my knee that way! Then you have to scrub the moss off and dull the finish in the prosess. I have an idea. Keep boat plugged. Get a bilge pump. Keep it on auto on a seperate battery than the one used for startin engine. Buy a tractor/motorcycle battery dedicated for your bilge pump. Buy one of those 12v solar battary chargers and your all set-EasyE
bc	posted 01-20-2002 09:15 PM ET (US) JB- Are you using a bilge pump in your Montauk? Or do you drain it most of the time like mentioned above? Thanks, BC
JBCornwell	posted 01-20-2002 09:31 PM ET (US) I don't currently have a bilge pump in her, BC, but I am going to install one. Red sky at night. . . JB :)
lpaton	posted 01-21-2002 06:29 AM ET (US) Swamped a 15' striper in the surf zone off the Barbary coast in west Africa in'83. Boat was full of dive gear ,water to the gunnals and surf all around. Pulled the plug,gunned it and prayed it would lose water and get some speed before the next wave got me. All went well and that was when I decided that one day I would have my own whaler. Laird
george nagy	posted 01-21-2002 01:50 PM ET (US) Yes I have swamped my old 15'. Many times as My friends and I got bigger the number of times I swamped the boat grew. I just used the 70 horses and pumped it over the stern. I almost always took the lower plug out when underway in the ocean. The 15' had a real tendancy to take water over the bow in a rough sea. I LOVED it though!
TightPenny	posted 01-21-2002 05:32 PM ET (US) Filled my old sport 15 a number of times in the Barnegat Inlet. Just kept it running and most of the water self bailed. Pulled the plug and bailed the rest. Kinda ruins your sandwiches though. :)
Flipper	posted 01-21-2002 10:16 PM ET (US) I took a couple of our guests out into the channel in my 15 to watch the poker run last August, and while I was maneuvering for a good view, the combined wakes of the first wave of boats put a tsunami over my transom. With three of us sitting across the aft thwart, the boat felt like she was going to capsize; so I gunned it and watched fifty gallons of water (and my shoes) flow over the dip in the transom. I let my bildge pump finish the job, while I kept her nosed into the chop. I was glad to have the bildge pump that day, because I was able to stay at the controls to avoid more 'swampings'. I think I will replace the 350 with a 600 GPH for next summer, though.
jameso	posted 01-22-2002 09:30 AM ET (US) Swamped my 15 sportin the surf of Cumberland Is GA. The anchor slipped and the boat was sideways in the surf during a rising tide. I had left the boat to do a short recon when I returned the boat was full of water and more was coming in with each wave. I pulled the plug and started the bilge pump, managed to get the bow into the surf and in 30 mins or so I was able to get engine started and motor out. This is quite a job if you are alone. Joys of coastal exploring,,and I cannot understand why people do not want to put a bilge pump in a 15? Jim Armstrong
llewellyn	posted 01-23-2002 09:45 AM ET (US) Thanks,Dave and EasyE. We're going to Bahia Honda and Sanibel, each for a week, and can moor or dock the boat where we stay.