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triblet posted 01-25-2002 09:39 PM ET (US)   Profile for triblet   Send Email to triblet  
I went to the Cow Palace (San Francisco) boat
show this past weekend, mostly to help
organize a dive club houseboat trip, and
one of the divers wanted to look at kayaks.

Of course, I spent some time looking at
whalers. The newer designs bug me because
they lose so much deck space to the big wide
gunwales, Eurotransom, and builtin
everything. As a diver, what counts is deck

If I ever get around to building the second
garage (30x40 feet), I'm gonna have to go
with a CPD hull in the bigger whaler.

But when I looked at the 2001 Montauk they
had, I noticed that the some of the electrics
were improved. The cigarette lighter plug
was one of the (really good) Marincos, while
mine from five years ago had something a lot
cheaper that looked like it came from the
auto parts store. And there were at least
four breakers and switches (mine has three).
They were running lights, bilge pump, and
two Aux circuits. My mind remembers seeing
one more, but I can't remember what it was.
That's good. And it looks like the buss bars
aren't bolted to the back of the aluminum
plate any more. That cost a lot of space
for installing more switches and such.


lhg posted 01-25-2002 11:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Chuck - I'm with you on the above. Deck space DOES count for recreational boating, not only for diving, but fishing, cruising, sleeping aboard, etc. And these Classic Whaler Outrages/Guardians, if set up right, have tons of it for their respective sizes.
My full transom 25 has more clear deck space than any other 25' boat I have ever seen, including it's replacements, the 24 and 26 Outrages. I specifically ordered it that way, by using the Montauk console and RPS.

For diving, there is nothing better than a Guardian, with it's narrow, low gunwales and lift-out gunwale door. This is your boat when you get around to it. We think you'd look great in one!

Your proposed garage may be too large, however. My 18 Outrage, even with engines set back 10", bow pulpit, and no folding trailer tongue, fits in a 10 x 22 garage (inside dimensions), door closed (door size is 8 x 8). But if console is not raised, they fit under a residential 7' high door. A friend keeps one in the 3rd bay of his conventional 3 car garage. My bracketed 25 would fit in a garage 12 x 32, if I could find one!

Chuck, if you want to drool a little, I have 3 different CPD catalogs from several years back, that show all the diving goodies. If you want some xerox copies, let me know.

triblet posted 01-25-2002 11:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Actually, I don't want the liftout door. I
know some guys who have it (Navy Reserve
Salvage Unit that drills in Monterey --
tough duty, huh?) and they say they get a
lot of water in the boat from it. I have
no trouble getting in and out of my Montauk
without oue, nor do several buddies with
Outrages. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Whalers aren't my only toys.

I've got other plans for the garage besides
storing the boat. Ideally, I'd like to be
able to back the boat AND tow vehicle in,
and I also want to have a serious shop out
there. More than three-footits, I want a
6" metal lathe, and a real Bridgeport mill
(instead of my 3" and my drill press with an
indexing table), and a real dust system for
the wood tools. And Admiral Linda would like
to get her car into the garage when she's
here on the weekends.

So I'm still aiming for 30'x40' with a door
10'Wx9'H, maybe bigger.


Tsuriki BW posted 01-26-2002 04:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
You can NEVER have enough garage space. I have 3 and they are full already! Dauntless in one, lawn tractor, trailer, spreader, generator, chipper, garden tools in another, boxes from the move back from overseas still in the other.... cars stay outside.

Maybe a garage sale would help.....nah...BIG storage shed, now that's what I need!


andygere posted 01-26-2002 12:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I'm not even thinking bigger garage anymore...I'm thinking barn. You can never have too much shop and storage space!
daverdla posted 01-26-2002 07:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for daverdla  Send Email to daverdla     
Just wondering, why don't they build many homes with basements on the west coast or do they? Is it a regional thing? I realize the water table would make it difficult if not impossible in some areas.

Basements are built in just about every house around here, even the new ones. Great place for a wood shop.


Tsuriki BW posted 01-26-2002 09:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     

One prob we have here in the PNW is the water table. Our old house was a split level, with a "rec/family room about 4 feet below the ground level, no deeper.

Our current house has a water table that would make it difficult, (we have a "bildge pump" in it to pump out water that accumulates in a "well" dug out under the house.)

Would love to have a basement, so cool in the summer, great for a work shop, just can't do it here. Sooo the shed/barn (if you have the space) is about all you can do,


Arch Autenreith posted 01-27-2002 01:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Arch Autenreith  Send Email to Arch Autenreith     
Having been (no longer) involved with real estate for the better part of the last 17 years I got to see them all. Basements are a must in the Pittsburgh area but in other areas they call them indoor pools.
Tsuriki is right.


andygere posted 01-27-2002 03:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Most of California is pretty dry. Houses here are built without basements because it is cheaper, and home buyers out here don't know any better.
triblet posted 01-27-2002 10:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Basements are built to get the foundation
below the freeze line. We don't have to do
that in California, hence few basements.


daverdla posted 01-27-2002 11:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for daverdla  Send Email to daverdla     
Thanks for the replies. The frost line here is 36" below grade.
Taylor posted 01-27-2002 07:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
I have a basement in the PNW, but like many old houses with no rebar in the concrete I get cracks and leaks. But they are not water coming up from the water table, its almost all water coming down from above, and the key to control is to get it away from the foundation wall.

But what I really wanted to do is brag about my shop - 20x35 almost entirely undground in the front yard. Clestory windows. Steps down from the basement and 7x7 fire doors opening out to the old 20x20 dugout garage. No leaks (much) in the shop, it was wraped in torchdown and gravel before being buried.

Now the bad news - my spouse just dumped a pool table down in the middle of it and is talking paint and 'nice'. And a Brunswick pool table at that. Why is it that all my stuff is migrating down and out towards the street?

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