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Tom W Clark posted 01-29-2002 05:43 PM ET (US)   Profile for Tom W Clark   Send Email to Tom W Clark  
Somebody here has a 1970 or earlier Whaler catalog. I would like to know the specified weight of a 13' hull. The weight of a bare hull would be best but the weight for the Standard (tiller steer) model would be fine too. Weight of the Sport model would work as well. I am trying to establish what Chain Saw Whaler weighed when it left the factory.
JBCornwell posted 01-29-2002 06:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Hi, Tom. My oldest brochure, about 1984, lists the 13 Sport at 340lb. I think it was identical to my 1975 13 Sport.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

Chris posted 01-29-2002 06:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chris  Send Email to Chris     
1968 bare hull was listed at 310 lbs. I believe the 340 lbs number was a Sport weight (console, steering components, etc.. accounting for the additional 30 lbs.
Tom W Clark posted 01-29-2002 07:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
JB, thanks for looking that up. The 1984 is actually comes from a different mold both in and out as compared to a 1970 though it should be roughly the same weight I would think.

Chris, it's interesting that a 1968 bare hull is only 30 pounds less than a 1984 Sport. Something is funny here.

I've done some number crunching and have calculated the weight of the wood parts. A bare hull would come with a bow locker cover but no other wood parts. It would also have the rub rail as well as the bow and stern eyes and the Norman pin(s). Does your 1968 catalog list what comes with a bare hull?

A Sport would have:

2 thwart seats @ 12.25 lbs. each
2 seat clamps @ 3.44 lbs. each
1 wood console @ 6.75 lbs
1 (cable & pulley) helm @ 4 lbs.
1 wheel @ 3 lbs.
cable, pulleys & cable clamps @ c. 3 lbs
side rails @ (this is only a guess) 5 lbs. each

total weight of these parts: c. 60 lbs.

What else am I forgetting? Nav lights were generally an extra cost option. All hulls had the wiring in them.

Tom W Clark posted 02-03-2002 07:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Chris (or anybody else),

Do you have the swamped capacity specification for that 1968 bare hull? I would like to know in order to make as precise a volume calculation as possible for CSW.

BillS posted 02-03-2002 10:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for BillS  Send Email to BillS     
My 1971 catalog lists the average weight for a 13 as 250-275 lbs.
Chris posted 02-03-2002 11:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chris  Send Email to Chris     
Tom.... My apologies I think I mis- communicated here. I was comparing the sport at 340 lbs to the tiller 13 whaler at 310 lbs. This whaler really didn't have a name but was referred to as the 13 whaler. It included the thwart seats (2), the Bow locker cover, a norman pin, bow and stern eyes, and also had two brass plated inserts on each gunnel for oar locks. No console, rails, steering wheel, pullies or steering hardware. This may account for the 30 lbs and bring the math more in line. If you have the weight of the seats, locker cover and standard hardware I think subtracting that from the 310 figure will gave you a pretty good number to work with. Also Tom, I'd like to say, there is a reality that not all things come out of the factory equal; even under ideal conditions. Like that car that was a lemon off the line; compared the the one assembled right behind it, that lasted forever, or that gun that shot just a little straighter,etc.. Having said that, it is entirely possible that new whalers have slight weight variations coming out of the factory doors.
Jerry Townsend posted 02-04-2002 12:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
The point that Chris made is most germane - that all boats of a given design coming out of any manufacturer's plants do not weigh the same. There will be, by definition, differences in the thickness of the glass, differences in components, repairs made That is the reason that I mentioned in some of the earlier discussions regarding the "chainsaw whaler" that all work has to be done with that specific boat. I have not followed the details of that effort but did note the comment addressed above. ---- Jerry/Idaho
Tom W Clark posted 02-04-2002 02:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Chris & Jerry,

Of course you guys are absolutely correct. As I have said in the past, any boat is subject to production variations. On a boat this size I would not be surprised to see a variation of 10 or 20 pounds from specified weight. BUT, when making an estimate one must start somewhere and I'm just trying to start with the most accurate information possible so as not to exaggerate or compound any errors.

Based on Chris's most recent post I estimate CSW would have weighed c. 265 lbs. when new.

I'm still looking for the swamped capacity of a 1970 13'...

sorcerer posted 02-04-2002 03:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for sorcerer    
1970 model standard 13 Whalers swamped capacity was around 950 lbs.

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