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I am thinking about buying a 16 dauntless, good idea?
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posted 02-01-2002 10:25 AM ET (US)
I am thinking about purchasing a 16 dauntless with a 90 4 stroke honda on the back. the boat is a 2001 leftover. Is this engine too heavy? How does the boat handle in chop? I will be using it in LI Sound, Eastern CT side.
Is the boat dry and is it stable? I have 2 girls under 4 yrs old that will be on it with me fishing for blues,tubeing, claming, and exploring.
The boat has the bow rail, comfort package, anchor roller, and cooler seat.
Any advice would be great.
posted 02-01-2002 11:41 AM ET (US)
Controller, welcome aboard! The 16' Dauntless, like any Whaler is a nice boat. The max. HP spec. is 115, so the 90 should be fine. The ride should be better than a classic, but it might not be as stable. Look on boatrader online to get resale values. I don't think the resale value of that boat is as good as some other Whalers. Take it for a sea trial to make sure you like the boat before you buy it. Regards, Jay
posted 02-01-2002 12:30 PM ET (US)
I am also going to look at a leftover 18 dauntless. it looks as if it might be $4000-$6000 more however. Is the extra 2 feet lenght and 1 foot width worth it ?
posted 02-01-2002 01:26 PM ET (US)
The 16 might be a bit on the small side for eastern part of LI Sound unless your planning to use it mostly in coves or inland. The 18 would be better but I wonder about its performance in view of the fact that the advertised minimum horsepower requirement is 125 and its maximum capacity is 150. That narrow range suggests it might be somewhat sluggish with a 150. In comparison the classic 18 Outrage had an advertised minimum of 90 hp with a maximum of 150 and with a 150 hanging on the transom, the 18 Outrage is a rocket. Anybody else have any thoughts about this seemingly narrow horsepower range for the 18 Dauntless?
posted 02-01-2002 04:30 PM ET (US)
I have a 2001 16 Dauntless with a 90 Honda. For a 16 foot it does well in a chop better than the 17 Montauk form past experience. The platform is very stable and I have a WOT at about 37 mph on the gps, the 17 Montauk is faster with a 90. Fuel consumption is very good so I have excellent range with the 45 gal fuel tank. The engine is dependable and virtually maintenance free. It had cost me $109 to winterize the engine at the dealer.
I had moderate bow rise when going to planning speed from a hole shot, to eliminate or reduce this weight distribution/ and or Doel fins will help. So I had installed Doel fins and this eliminated this increasing my mid range and trim range.
The longer the LOA the better a hull will handle any chop. As suggested take it for a ride and see if it will meet your needs. I found the 16 right for me in trailing, launching, retrieval, operating costs, the kind of waters I boat on, and for the number of people I fish with, which is one or two others. Good Luck and please check all your options.
posted 02-01-2002 04:35 PM ET (US)
I take out my wife and my two girls (11, 13) and one of their friends with now problem. The higher gunnels help keep them in and they do love to ride up front. I have also taken out 3 boys ages 13, 13, and 11 and on dad with me fishing and had a great time even when there was a moderate chop that day.
posted 02-01-2002 05:34 PM ET (US)
With the 90 honda on the back, is it a 4 stroke, and if sowhen dockes or moored are your stern scuppers under water from the weight of the engine. Also what would be a good buy on a leftover dauntless 16 or 18 if anyone knows.
Can a leftover whaler be bought at greater than 20% off list. That is were the offered over the phone. I would likwe it to be in the 30% off list range, after all the are leftovers and the 18 is redesigned for 2002.
Lastly, does anyone know what dealer cost is on these boats?
Thanks to all for the information.
posted 02-01-2002 07:52 PM ET (US)
Yes, the Honda is a four stroke.
No, the scuppers are not under water nor is there water intrusion when at rest or underway. The only time there has been a small amount of water there is when I load my fish cooler behind the bench seat and my fishing buddy (220+ lb.) and myself (205 lb.) are sitting on the bench facing aft and I get move to the aft jump seat. Some others here that have a 16 Dauntless are Blackdog and Tallydon.
Here is part of what Talldon wrote:
Here is another post from the past year
2) Unless you see these 2 boats side by side you really can't imagine how much bigger the Dauntless 16 really is. It's much easier for me to load/unload by myself.
3) Montauk comes up on plane much faster with lower speed/RPM. Dauntless seemed to plow a bit with the bow up before finally coming up on plane. Montauk seems to jump up and go.
4) Dauntless has a tendency to take on more water over the transom. Unless I feathered the throttle back VERY slowly I would always get some slosh in the engine well. Montauk even with heavier 4 stroke doesn't seem as prone to this.
5) Even though Montauk is a smaller boat there seems to be much more usable interior space. I think it's because of the squared off bow and no built in rear quarter seats.
2) Much more stable. Yes more stable. Must be the all the extra floation foam & wider width.
3) Features/features/features. If your looking for all the built in goodies, here they are.
4) Nice standard features: Built in 45gal tank & self bailing cockpit.
So thats about it. Both are superb boats. Just depends on what your use will be & what your looking for.
There are many posts pro and con that can be found over the past year in General and in Post Classics.
As for cost I just know what I paid for it in the Fall of 2000 for hull motor and trailer.
I'll e-mail you and let me know if you want this kind of information.
posted 02-01-2002 09:23 PM ET (US)
I don't have any problems with launching or retreiving my D16 by myself. Just back up the trailer up and launch it. I usually drive the boat onto the trailer and then crank it up the last foot or so.
I had it out last week in the Gulf, about 5 miles offshore in 24' of water and the seas kicked up to 3-5' while I was grouper fishing. Of course, the line in Jaws always comes back to me in these situations, "we need a bigger boat." However, the D16 handled well and I easily made it back to calm waters, about a 3 mile due north trip. For one or two people, the D16 provides ample room for your fishing gear, etc. I don't have any complaints about this boat so far (bought it last August).
posted 02-12-2002 08:29 AM ET (US)
B Bear- Since i just purchased a montauk with the same motor (Merc 90 4 stoke )would be interested in some specs. What does it do WOT and what speed do you cruse at and at what RPM's. what 's the fuel economy ? I am also interested what you paid for the boat motor & trailer. If you don't want to post it email me the info
posted 02-12-2002 07:08 PM ET (US)
I think the Dauntless 18 is far more boat than the 2 feet over the 16 would suggest. I have driven them both and my pick overall would be the 18. With a 150 HP it is fast and nimble. It's wider, more stable, and has much more room. The 16 is nice but too small in chop. Also, the 16 I used had a Yammie 100 4 stroke and constantly had 2 inches of water in the stern through the scuppers. I would think the Honda 90 is at least as heavy, so I would expect this to be a problem too. I needed to plug the scuppers to eliminate this, but that defeats the purpose of the self bailing hull.
posted 02-12-2002 09:35 PM ET (US)
I will try to answer your questions.
1) WOT at 5500 RPM is around 37 mph.
For dscew, I have never had a problem with water through my scuppers. The most that has ever came in has been about 1/4 inch when two adult men (205 and 210 lbs) sat on the console seat and a tackle box and fish cooler were placed aft of that seat and one of us got up and stood in one of the aft corners. For the most part there is no water intrusion, there is none if one of us fish from the bow and rest on the cooler seat infront of the console.
I would agree that the 18 is the more comfortable boat in space and overall ride.
For me the 16 is just fine. Goes where I want to go fishing, it is very very easy on the wallet concerning operating costs, very easy to clean, easy to tow, launch and retrive. I have a huge range with the 45 gal gas tank, I fill her at a gas station with regular 87 octane gas. It is about as inexpensive and maintence free as it can be for its size and impressive capability of this 16 foot boat.
posted 02-12-2002 09:46 PM ET (US)
That was new in the Fall (Aug.)of 2000.
posted 02-13-2002 08:40 AM ET (US)
I have pictures of my 16 with a 2 stroke and bears with a four stroke side by side. There is hardly any difference with the way it sits in the water.
I agree with comments above, I would love the 18 or 180 Dauntless but new it was just too much money. Asking price was around $37,000 or so. Just way too much money to go from the 16 to the 18. I have seen some used 180ís in the low 30ís and one around 29k. I think if you catch a 2 or 3 year 180 in the 20ís it would be a good buy. It is a lot more boat than just the 2 feet.
posted 02-13-2002 12:50 PM ET (US)
I put a depostit on my first whaler and expect to pick it up March 1. Here it is:
2001 16 Dauntless with 2001 Mercury 115 and 2001 EZ Load trailer.
I decided on this because it was about $11500 cheaper than the leftover 2001 18 Daunltess with same options. For the majority of time this size should be fine, I hope. The 18 was great but I really like the new design of the 180 and may wait a couple of years and pick up one then if my 16 is too small.
One question however, should I have the dealer bottom paint it. It will be docked in Long Island Sound. hould I use ablative paint or the hard type.
Thanks for all your help.
posted 02-13-2002 03:41 PM ET (US)
Congratulations on your purchase!!
As for bottom paint I am no help to you there, I understand that some will use a teflon wax instead of bottom pant, which I use anyway so I can hose off any scum without scrubbing. Maybe someone here can answer that for you.
I forgot to mention that I keep my fuel tank full, this in turn helps with the water intrusion through the scupper question by having the tank full it acts as ballast to keep the boat level. When the tank is, lets say, 1/2 full there will be free surface area as there is more weight put on the aft the gas with it's weight will accumlate at the rear of the tank therefore adding weight towards the aft while lighting up the forward part of the hull.
posted 02-13-2002 03:56 PM ET (US)
2001 Whaler Dauntless 18 w/ 135 Optimax. Boat has never seen water and is brand new with warranty (engine has never been turned over). Complete package with trailer. Retail on rig is over $37,000, asking $32,000. Boat is located in Massachusetts.
Selling for a friend who won this package in a tournament. contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org
posted 02-14-2002 10:48 AM ET (US)
Dealer in Mass has a leftover 18 set up the same way. His price is $29999.
posted 02-14-2002 11:24 AM ET (US)
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