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controller posted 02-01-2002 10:25 AM ET (US)   Profile for controller   Send Email to controller  
I am thinking about purchasing a 16 dauntless with a 90 4 stroke honda on the back. the boat is a 2001 leftover. Is this engine too heavy? How does the boat handle in chop? I will be using it in LI Sound, Eastern CT side.

Is the boat dry and is it stable? I have 2 girls under 4 yrs old that will be on it with me fishing for blues,tubeing, claming, and exploring.

The boat has the bow rail, comfort package, anchor roller, and cooler seat.

Any advice would be great.

JFM posted 02-01-2002 11:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Controller, welcome aboard! The 16' Dauntless, like any Whaler is a nice boat. The max. HP spec. is 115, so the 90 should be fine. The ride should be better than a classic, but it might not be as stable. Look on boatrader online to get resale values. I don't think the resale value of that boat is as good as some other Whalers. Take it for a sea trial to make sure you like the boat before you buy it. Regards, Jay
controller posted 02-01-2002 12:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for controller  Send Email to controller     
I am also going to look at a leftover 18 dauntless. it looks as if it might be $4000-$6000 more however. Is the extra 2 feet lenght and 1 foot width worth it ?
Peter posted 02-01-2002 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
The 16 might be a bit on the small side for eastern part of LI Sound unless your planning to use it mostly in coves or inland. The 18 would be better but I wonder about its performance in view of the fact that the advertised minimum horsepower requirement is 125 and its maximum capacity is 150. That narrow range suggests it might be somewhat sluggish with a 150. In comparison the classic 18 Outrage had an advertised minimum of 90 hp with a maximum of 150 and with a 150 hanging on the transom, the 18 Outrage is a rocket. Anybody else have any thoughts about this seemingly narrow horsepower range for the 18 Dauntless?
B Bear posted 02-01-2002 04:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
Controller
I have a 2001 16 Dauntless with a 90 Honda. For a 16 foot it does well in a chop better than the 17 Montauk form past experience. The platform is very stable and I have a WOT at about 37 mph on the gps, the 17 Montauk is faster with a 90. Fuel consumption is very good so I have excellent range with the 45 gal fuel tank. The engine is dependable and virtually maintenance free. It had cost me $109 to winterize the engine at the dealer.
I had moderate bow rise when going to planning speed from a hole shot, to eliminate or reduce this weight distribution/ and or Doel fins will help. So I had installed Doel fins and this eliminated this increasing my mid range and trim range.
The longer the LOA the better a hull will handle any chop. As suggested take it for a ride and see if it will meet your needs. I found the 16 right for me in trailing, launching, retrieval, operating costs, the kind of waters I boat on, and for the number of people I fish with, which is one or two others. Good Luck and please check all your options.
Bear
B Bear posted 02-01-2002 04:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
I take out my wife and my two girls (11, 13) and one of their friends with now problem. The higher gunnels help keep them in and they do love to ride up front. I have also taken out 3 boys ages 13, 13, and 11 and on dad with me fishing and had a great time even when there was a moderate chop that day.
Bear
controller posted 02-01-2002 05:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for controller  Send Email to controller     
Bear,

With the 90 honda on the back, is it a 4 stroke, and if sowhen dockes or moored are your stern scuppers under water from the weight of the engine. Also what would be a good buy on a leftover dauntless 16 or 18 if anyone knows.

Can a leftover whaler be bought at greater than 20% off list. That is were the offered over the phone. I would likwe it to be in the 30% off list range, after all the are leftovers and the 18 is redesigned for 2002.

Lastly, does anyone know what dealer cost is on these boats?

Thanks to all for the information.

B Bear posted 02-01-2002 07:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
Yes, the Honda is a four stroke.

No, the scuppers are not under water nor is there water intrusion when at rest or underway. The only time there has been a small amount of water there is when I load my fish cooler behind the bench seat and my fishing buddy (220+ lb.) and myself (205 lb.) are sitting on the bench facing aft and I get move to the aft jump seat. Some others here that have a 16 Dauntless are Blackdog and Tallydon.

Here is part of what Talldon wrote:
"As a biologist who has used the classic whalers for work (13, 15, and 17'), there is no comparison to the newer hulls in terms of overall ride and space. My Dauntless 16 provides a soft ride and stability offshore and inshore especially in bad weather. My boat is comfortable and provides the space I need to fish in the Gulf."
"The Montauk will just beat you up in any sort of chop. Its a good work boat where you expect that work will be uncomfortable. But not something I want for the weekends to relieve stress and just enjoy the outdoors. And that applies to the 13 and 15' old designs too."

Here is another post from the past year
Author Topic: Montauk/Dauntless 16 observations
Barnett Childress posted 06-20-2001 06:31 PM ET (US)
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Picked up my new Montauk last Thursday. I LOVE this boat and the Merc 90HP 4 stroke.
I owned a Dauntless 16 with a Merc 90HP 2 stroke for 2 years before this.
I've been getting several e-mails off line about the differences I've observed. So some observations for those interested.

Montauk pro's:
1) 75 mile tow back from the dealer was a breeze. Montauk tows much easier than the Dauntless did. I've been towing with a Land Rover Defender 90 (my other toy) set up for serious off roading with flexible rock crawling suspension, full time 4WD & 36" tires. Not the ultimate tow vehicle I know :>. But I noticed a big difference. Less tongue weight, easier to pull hills on highway & much easier braking. With a tow vehicle not set up so biased to off-road performance there probably wouldn't be as big a difference.

2) Unless you see these 2 boats side by side you really can't imagine how much bigger the Dauntless 16 really is. It's much easier for me to load/unload by myself.

3) Montauk comes up on plane much faster with lower speed/RPM. Dauntless seemed to plow a bit with the bow up before finally coming up on plane. Montauk seems to jump up and go.

4) Dauntless has a tendency to take on more water over the transom. Unless I feathered the throttle back VERY slowly I would always get some slosh in the engine well. Montauk even with heavier 4 stroke doesn't seem as prone to this.

5) Even though Montauk is a smaller boat there seems to be much more usable interior space. I think it's because of the squared off bow and no built in rear quarter seats.

Dauntless pro's:
1) Softer ride. Would also be drier in the rough stuff.

2) Much more stable. Yes more stable. Must be the all the extra floation foam & wider width.

3) Features/features/features. If your looking for all the built in goodies, here they are.

4) Nice standard features: Built in 45gal tank & self bailing cockpit.

So thats about it. Both are superb boats. Just depends on what your use will be & what your looking for.

There are many posts pro and con that can be found over the past year in General and in Post Classics.

As for cost I just know what I paid for it in the Fall of 2000 for hull motor and trailer.

I'll e-mail you and let me know if you want this kind of information.
Bear

Tallydon posted 02-01-2002 09:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tallydon  Send Email to Tallydon     
I don't have any problems with launching or retreiving my D16 by myself. Just back up the trailer up and launch it. I usually drive the boat onto the trailer and then crank it up the last foot or so.

I had it out last week in the Gulf, about 5 miles offshore in 24' of water and the seas kicked up to 3-5' while I was grouper fishing. Of course, the line in Jaws always comes back to me in these situations, "we need a bigger boat." However, the D16 handled well and I easily made it back to calm waters, about a 3 mile due north trip. For one or two people, the D16 provides ample room for your fishing gear, etc. I don't have any complaints about this boat so far (bought it last August).

tabasco posted 02-12-2002 08:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
B Bear- Since i just purchased a montauk with the same motor (Merc 90 4 stoke )would be interested in some specs. What does it do WOT and what speed do you cruse at and at what RPM's. what 's the fuel economy ? I am also interested what you paid for the boat motor & trailer. If you don't want to post it email me the info
Thanks
dscew posted 02-12-2002 07:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
I think the Dauntless 18 is far more boat than the 2 feet over the 16 would suggest. I have driven them both and my pick overall would be the 18. With a 150 HP it is fast and nimble. It's wider, more stable, and has much more room. The 16 is nice but too small in chop. Also, the 16 I used had a Yammie 100 4 stroke and constantly had 2 inches of water in the stern through the scuppers. I would think the Honda 90 is at least as heavy, so I would expect this to be a problem too. I needed to plug the scuppers to eliminate this, but that defeats the purpose of the self bailing hull.
B Bear posted 02-12-2002 09:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
tabasco
I will try to answer your questions.

1) WOT at 5500 RPM is around 37 mph.
2) Cruse at around 4000 RPM, around 27 mph.
3) about 6 mpg at 4000 RPM and about 4 mpg at WOT. These speeds are plenty fast for me, any faster and it would be hard to see anything in the water, insurance also increases if you you can go over 35 mph. When it rough I slow down to a comfortable crusing speed, I would rather not catch air at this point in my life.......lol
4) The cost of my rig without tax and tags -
$22,577 new.

For dscew, I have never had a problem with water through my scuppers. The most that has ever came in has been about 1/4 inch when two adult men (205 and 210 lbs) sat on the console seat and a tackle box and fish cooler were placed aft of that seat and one of us got up and stood in one of the aft corners. For the most part there is no water intrusion, there is none if one of us fish from the bow and rest on the cooler seat infront of the console.

I would agree that the 18 is the more comfortable boat in space and overall ride.
If you can afford it the bigger the better, unless you run in skinny water.

For me the 16 is just fine. Goes where I want to go fishing, it is very very easy on the wallet concerning operating costs, very easy to clean, easy to tow, launch and retrive. I have a huge range with the 45 gal gas tank, I fill her at a gas station with regular 87 octane gas. It is about as inexpensive and maintence free as it can be for its size and impressive capability of this 16 foot boat.

B Bear posted 02-12-2002 09:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
That was new in the Fall (Aug.)of 2000.
blackdog posted 02-13-2002 08:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
I have pictures of my 16 with a 2 stroke and bears with a four stroke side by side. There is hardly any difference with the way it sits in the water.
I agree with comments above, I would love the 18 or 180 Dauntless but new it was just too much money. Asking price was around $37,000 or so. Just way too much money to go from the 16 to the 18. I have seen some used 180ís in the low 30ís and one around 29k. I think if you catch a 2 or 3 year 180 in the 20ís it would be a good buy. It is a lot more boat than just the 2 feet.
controller posted 02-13-2002 12:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for controller  Send Email to controller     
I put a depostit on my first whaler and expect to pick it up March 1. Here it is:

2001 16 Dauntless with 2001 Mercury 115 and 2001 EZ Load trailer.

Comfort package
Bimini Top
Ski Pylon
Bottom painted
Coast Guard Package
VHF Radio

I decided on this because it was about $11500 cheaper than the leftover 2001 18 Daunltess with same options. For the majority of time this size should be fine, I hope. The 18 was great but I really like the new design of the 180 and may wait a couple of years and pick up one then if my 16 is too small.

One question however, should I have the dealer bottom paint it. It will be docked in Long Island Sound. hould I use ablative paint or the hard type.

Thanks for all your help.

B Bear posted 02-13-2002 03:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
Congratulations on your purchase!!

As for bottom paint I am no help to you there, I understand that some will use a teflon wax instead of bottom pant, which I use anyway so I can hose off any scum without scrubbing. Maybe someone here can answer that for you.

I forgot to mention that I keep my fuel tank full, this in turn helps with the water intrusion through the scupper question by having the tank full it acts as ballast to keep the boat level. When the tank is, lets say, 1/2 full there will be free surface area as there is more weight put on the aft the gas with it's weight will accumlate at the rear of the tank therefore adding weight towards the aft while lighting up the forward part of the hull.
Bear

Bigshot posted 02-13-2002 03:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
2001 Whaler Dauntless 18 w/ 135 Optimax. Boat has never seen water and is brand new with warranty (engine has never been turned over). Complete package with trailer. Retail on rig is over $37,000, asking $32,000. Boat is located in Massachusetts.
Selling for a friend who won this package in a tournament. contact me at slamdancecharter@hotmail.com

FYI

controller posted 02-14-2002 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for controller  Send Email to controller     
Dealer in Mass has a leftover 18 set up the same way. His price is $29999.
Bigshot posted 02-14-2002 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
doof!

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