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Pops posted 02-06-2002 10:22 AM ET (US)   Profile for Pops   Send Email to Pops  
The Montauk in question is in great condition, the owner has kept her in a garage, and the boat looks almost new. It has a bimini top, gps, vhs, and a depth finder. The motor is also a '92 90 hp Evenrude. The automatic oil pump has been taken off. I haven't had the compression or lower unit checked yet, I realize how important that will be, but it runs fine, and the seller had the compression checked recently and it was good. The trailer is galvinized steel and a 1992 model. I've checked out boattrader.com and this site to compare prices, but I was looking to get some of your opinions as well.
JFM posted 02-06-2002 10:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Why the VRO pump has been diconected would concern me. I know the oil and gas can be mixed, however this should be done by an autherized dealer because I think there is more to it than just disconecting the VRO. I would think the value in mint condition 10-12K. Regards, Jay
JFM posted 02-06-2002 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Also in valuation, is the boat salt water or fresh? Jay
Pops posted 02-06-2002 10:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Pops  Send Email to Pops     
The boat has been used in fresh and saltwater. Most recently saltwater. I'm not sure if the VRO was disconnected by a professional or not however, the gas and electrical lines are also in great shape and are kept neat and out of the way.
JFM posted 02-06-2002 11:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
How much is the person asking? Does the boat have the bottom painted?
Pops posted 02-06-2002 11:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Pops  Send Email to Pops     
The owner is asking for $12,000. and No the bottom is not painted. I wish it had a new motor, I'm concerned about a 10 year old Evenrude.
John from Madison CT posted 02-06-2002 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for John from Madison CT  Send Email to John from Madison CT     
Pops,

Personally a disconnected VRO would not bother me. Manual oil mixing is one easy way to guarantee that the motor won't blow from lack of lubrication.
I've owned several older (mid-80's) OMC's and disconnected the VRO pumps on several of them for that very reason.
$12K for that boat may be pushing it a tad, but I can tell you this, I paid $7K for my '89 Montauk (w/90hp Yamaha), which had no trailer, GPS, depthfinder, or Bimini and after adding all of those which I wanted, I have at least $10K in it at this point. Granted the electronics, Bimini and Trailer are brand new and top notch.
Be sure to evaluate other things that you may need to change soon,like the cushions (can add $500 easy), canvas etc. etc.. You need to factor these into the cost.

Good Luck,

John

15to17 posted 02-06-2002 01:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for 15to17  Send Email to 15to17     
I can appreciate your concern re: the disconnected VRO, but I know of multiple cases where the owners did just that. In our small boat fleet at work we do just that in older OMC engines. In addition, on both Whalers I have owned I have had the VRO disconnected and done my own pre-mix. (Just FYI, I'm running an 86 Johnson 90 HP.) I have been told that those engines, if properly maintained, can really last. Of course, "properly maintained" is a big caveat. I'd check to see if there are any maintenance records to verify how well the engine was maintained--this could go a long way in easing your mind about a 10-yr. old motor. $12K does seem a bit high to me, but I agree with the others that there are other elements that you need to factor in. I'd check around a bit and, all else equal, shoot for something near $10K.
Bigshot posted 02-06-2002 01:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
$12k is on the high end....$10+/- sounds good. Disconnected VRO is VERY common in older engines. New 90 will run $6k+ so keep that in mind. Then again that older gas guzzlin 90 is bulletproof and should go another 10 years. Comp test will be a deciding factor. SS prop?
JFM posted 02-06-2002 02:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
The reason I brought up the VRO is that it can be totally disconnected all the way to just plugged. If just plugged won't the pump still want to work and what is it pumping, air? So I would make sure the pump has been disconnected properly. Also, I think that that vintage Johnson has a great track record. Regards, Jay
JFM posted 02-06-2002 02:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Sorry, I meant Evenrude, same as Johnson but uglier paint. regards, Jay
Whalerdan posted 02-06-2002 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdan  Send Email to Whalerdan     
On my old engine the VRO (85 115 Evinrude) was plugged. I talked to the dealer and the mechanic said that is the proper way to do it. The VRO Pump was on the same shaft as the fuel pump so I don't see any other way to do it. Pops says that the VRO pump was "taken off". I don't see how this was possible unless they changed the design between 85 to 92.

There might be an after market, or some other model pump that you could get that would only pump fuel, but why bother if the dealer said plugging is the proper procedure? Additionally, as I read here on another post, and as I saw on my motor, OMC provided a plug which was clipped to the oil line, which was provided for just this purpose.

Bigshot posted 02-06-2002 03:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
You can change it to a non-VRO fuel pump but easier to just plug it.
Pops posted 02-07-2002 11:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Pops  Send Email to Pops     
Whalerdan,
Actually I did assume the vro oil pump was removed, but it might just be plugged, i'm not sure. I'll look again this weekend when I have the compression and lower unit checked out.

Bigshot,
The prop is ss and the seller has a spare ss prop too!

When I ran the numbers on nada, I came up with something just under $7,000 for the boat motor and trailer, and nada is supposed to be retail. I understand the Montauks often sell for more then bluebook, but thats a big difference. Which numbers do you guys think is closer to fair?

Pops posted 02-07-2002 11:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Pops  Send Email to Pops     
One more question, The Montauk I am thinking about buying has no wood on the console, or anywhere else for that matter. Is this how they came in 1992, or was the console changed afterwards?
Thanks for all your help.

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