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|Author||Topic: Montauk Canvas|
posted 02-11-2002 04:36 PM ET (US)
OK, so I sprung for the Mills bimini for my 88 Montauk and I love it. I would really like to put a dodger in the bow to protect from spray and maybe form a sleeping shelter, but the Mills dodger looks way too small. Also, from the photos that have been posted, It looks like any water coming over the bow or for that matter running down the dodger would leak under the dodger and enter the forward platform. Does anyone have experience with designing or obtaining a bow dodger that is outside the bow rails and connects to the area of the rub rail somehow? Seems like there would be a whole lot more room if the entire bow was covered and alot drier too. What am I missing? Any thoughts?
posted 02-12-2002 08:53 AM ET (US)
Save your $$ and buy a bigger boat.
|A Li Volsi||
posted 02-12-2002 10:17 AM ET (US)
When using the forward shelters, Mills made two deck cloths that attached to the starboard and port sides and then lays across the forward platform. Across the front there is a permanent deck cloth attached to the forward shelter. In this way rain slatter goes below without wetting the platform.
posted 02-12-2002 10:34 AM ET (US)
Gee Bigshot, Thanks for the help. I really appreciate the constructive replies. Is that how you get your kicks, sarcastic and useless replies to subjects that dont interest you? Once again, thanks.
posted 02-12-2002 10:57 AM ET (US)
bboeri, take it easy on Bigshot. He has dispensed a tremendous amount of good advise on Whalers to members here.
I think he is right about you needing a bigger boat for your needs. I am a Montauk owner and I can't imagine sleeping on it (dodger or not). Also, I can't imagine taking water over the bow and having a pleasurable boating trip (let alone staying dry with a dodger). Just my opinion.... Ya know, everybody has one.
posted 02-12-2002 11:33 AM ET (US)
I forgot the :)Sorry! Have you ever tried sleeping on a small boat? Have you ever seen how small a dodger is? Do you sleep in the fetal position or do you want your legs along side the console, getting wet if raining? Have you ever slept on fiberglass even with a cushion for any longer than 1 hour? If you answered no to any of these questions......start saving your $$.
A dodger is just that, a dodger. It allows you to get out of the rain in a storm and keeps spray off of you when driving. The dodger(and the Montauk) were not designed to be an overnighter. I have a 24' boat and that is uncomfortable, if you are serious about sleeping on the Montauk then I guess you are right, I'm sarcastic but honest.
posted 02-12-2002 01:14 PM ET (US)
That is one opinion. There are others.
Mills as an example makes a weather system for the Montauk that includes a "front shelter" (tighter than a dodger), side curtains, windshield and aft curtain that all zip and snap to a Mills "flying top" which unfortunately is probanly not what you have. You probably have a "suntop", but a good canvas shop could fabricate components to work with your bimini. To do it right however, either way, you will shell out some bucks.
posted 02-12-2002 03:19 PM ET (US)
See Cetacea Page 40 for cruising and sleeping aboard a Montauk, in Alaska no less!
I'm not sure the canvas shown provides driver protection like the Mills does, but the front cabin would be roomier than the Mills system. In the old days, Whaler (Fisher) used to say that one could overnight on a Sakonnet, with the Forward Platform (See Triblet's website for photos) and the Mills system, complete with the deck cloths. Don't forget the Menemsha model also.
For sleeping on any Whaler Outrage, get "Camprest" 2 1/2" thick air/foam mattresses. These things are super comfortable.
posted 02-12-2002 03:38 PM ET (US)
You guys love the "nature thing" don't ya. I could just imagine the look on my wife's face when I came home with a $500 dodger and told her we were gonna start spending the weekends on the Montauk. The closest we get to sleeping with nature is a tree outside our Hotel window:)
Could I mount my cruiseair a/c unit and duct in the cold air in the summer. If so I might start looking for an enclosed Mills canvas system. Would need a long extension cord or a generator which would scrap the whole purpose of buying a 4 stroke motor.
posted 02-12-2002 04:54 PM ET (US)
Bigshot - you must be married to a "Princess". But I would agree, the Florida humidity from May 1st to Novemeber 1st would be no time to sleep on a Whaler of any size!
But there's nothing like that cool Canadian summer air over the Northern Great Lakes for spending the night on a Whaler!
posted 02-12-2002 05:46 PM ET (US)
Does anyone have a photo of the Mills deckcloths? I really can't visualize how they would work. Incidently, the former owner of my Montauk used it for camping on the California Delta. He did, however, only build a sleeping platform for one....
posted 02-12-2002 06:26 PM ET (US)
I don't care what they say, I thought your replies in this thread were some of the most humorous as well as informative that I have seen. Keep up the good work!!! (LOL)
posted 02-13-2002 07:59 AM ET (US)
I wouldn't sleep on that thing either down in Florida. Heat is one thing, but nobody mentioned alagators, no-see-ums, and snakes. Forgetaboutit!
posted 02-13-2002 08:17 AM ET (US)
bb- I had a local canvas guy install a dodger on my 22'OR. The best $400 I've spent on the boat. Wife, kids, dogs love it for rain and sun shelter. Recommendation- go talk to a couple canvas shops. Drag the 17'to the shop. These guys can do just about any type of dodger you might want. Mine has a clear vinyl zip in/out bow window with an open rear (see pic 45 photo log). If you are going to occasionally overnight in it, then I recommend you close in the rear portion with a zip in/out capability. Aluminum bows are fine, but go with stainless fittings and snaps. My .03. David
|A Li Volsi||
posted 02-13-2002 08:19 AM ET (US)
The deck cloths on the port and starboard sides attach to the foward shelter at the bottom and then they lay on top of the forward platform. The front deck cloth is permanently attached to the shelter and it also lays down on top of the platform. In effect what they do is provide a floor similar to that of a tent. Any water running down the side of the shelter is directed down under the platform keeping your sleeping bag dry.
posted 02-13-2002 10:26 AM ET (US)
I used to get banged up on Saturday night and sleep on my Scarab. It was great to hear the water slapping on the hull, etc. It also had a big cabin with mirrored ceilings and bulkheads. Come sunrise your hungover ass is out and about because the temp just went to 100 inside the cabin. Then you have to wake her drunk butt up and find all your clothes and then get the hell out and go eat breakfast because the rest of the world is still sleeping because they were not up till 4 am having fun with some chick in the cabin of a boat with mirrored ceilings. By noon you are ready to nap and your buddies want to go out in the "fast boat" and next thing you know it is monday and you are off to work with about 1 nights sleep all weekend because you wanted to sleep on the boat(and so did what's her name). Trust me Bob.....save your money and get a boat with a/c and a bathroom, running water, etc.
posted 02-13-2002 10:32 AM ET (US)
Sorry for the earlier post. Now your making me laugh! Thanks.
posted 02-13-2002 10:33 AM ET (US)
I second Jim Bennett. I can't tell you how many times BS makes me laugh. Good content and fun to read.
posted 02-13-2002 12:47 PM ET (US)
Scary thing is......88% is all true!
posted 02-13-2002 02:40 PM ET (US)
Bigs- How'd you arrive at exactly 88%???David
posted 02-13-2002 02:45 PM ET (US)
That Scarab had a 12% slip ratio:)
posted 02-13-2002 02:59 PM ET (US)
Bigs-- Love ya. Now get the heck off this site and go boating. David
posted 02-13-2002 03:21 PM ET (US)
Getting back to your original inquire.
Kingfish has the correct idea on how to provide you with plenty of shelter for whatever your intended use.
The Mills Sun Top is twice the size of the Flying top, it reaches forward to almost the anchor locker. Suggest you take the boat to a local custom shop and let them have a go at designing a forward shelter which could also incorporate a windshield with quarter side panels attaching to the Sun Top. Something like this could afford you even more room/protection than the Mills set up with the added bonus of a clear windshield and parcel side panels more or less enclosing the console.
Make sure they add a zip open clear bow section on the forward shelter and on the windshield a center section that zips open and rolls up directly facing the console.
Expect to pay a pretty penny -- cheaper than a bigger boat and if done in nice proportions will contribute to the resale value when that time comes.
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