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yankee posted 02-12-2002 09:39 PM ET (US)   Profile for yankee   Send Email to yankee  
[Changed topic--jimh] I must be missing something. What is the difference between the 2002 170 Montauk any the boats built since 1977.
Here is a link folks. look it over
http://209.215.175.174/REC/170_MONTAUK.htm
JBCornwell posted 02-12-2002 11:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Ahoy, Yank.

It is listed as the "Classic Montauk". Why should there be difference other than details? As far as I am concerned, the less difference the better.

You must have been under the mistaken impression that 2001 was the last Classic Montauk. The 2002 is the last one. Next year we get another SeaRay with a Whaler logo on it.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

triblet posted 02-12-2002 11:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
http://www.whaler.com/REC/170_montauk.htm

It's a bad idea to post numeric IP addresses.
They are subject to change at the whim of
any number of people. Plus it looks like a
porn site address (I'm sick of spam e-mails).

Chuch

Wild Turkey posted 02-12-2002 11:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Wild Turkey  Send Email to Wild Turkey     
I just can't get over the new numbering system. COME ON!!!! Foolish IMO...

Fellas, this company is ruining our beloved classics. In a couple of years (like JB said) the entire line will be SeaRays with Boston Whaler logos. I wish Brunswick would sell it off before it is too late!!

Has anybody seen the new 290 Outrage? Who wants to shell out 125k for that? Not me!!

Sorry....just venting. I understand the CPD boats are selling pretty well. The 22 Guardian, now that's the boat for me...

Chris

Mark D posted 02-13-2002 09:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mark D    
I guess the new owners of Boston Whaler are just making a statment.
yankee posted 02-13-2002 12:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for yankee  Send Email to yankee     
I thought the new montauk was to be a 2002 model. That is why I expected to see something different on that link.
lhg posted 02-13-2002 08:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
JB - If the new "210"(ugh) Outrage is any indication, look for newer Whalers to have more refined, better proportioned and better looking outer hull molds and lines, very similar to Dougherty's design on the Whaler 31, (a big "+"), but with
Sea Ray's (and everybody else's) sloping Euro transoms (a big "-"), and now with Bayliner's "sexy" curved interior & transom splash well shapes ( a double big "-"). As the famous folk song said "When will they ever learn?" Brunswick needs to re-distinguish the identity of Whaler, not increasingly mingle and degrade it with Sea Ray and Bayliner.

The new console on this boat, as with the 18 Dauntless, is an improvement, as is the outer hull design.

Now some Whaler operative is going to come on and say we're all living in the past.

Ventura16 posted 02-13-2002 08:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ventura16  Send Email to Ventura16     
I'm not a Whaler "operative" (whatever that is), but we looked at the 210 Outrage last night at the Detroit Boat Show and I was quite impressed. The "Euro" transom is virturally non-existent...as a matter of fact, the boat has an add-on "old-school" swim platform and ladder because there is no real swim platform area. And, the rear jump seats are basically right up against the transom area (although there is no solid transom that goes all the way across the stern).

The new console is very nicely designed...and quite compact...there was easy access to the bow. The twin batteries were inside the console and protected from water by a door which has about a 12" sill...you would have to take on an enormous amount of water before the batteries would get wet.

The only thing I didn't like were the pedestal seats...they seemed flimsy and were upholstered in a very SeaRay-like pattern...but the leaning post option would fix that problem. It was priced at 40K with a 200 Optimax...doesn't seem unreasonable in today's market...and that is before negotiating.

Tom

Dick posted 02-13-2002 09:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
The "new" numbering system has been in efect for the last 5 years that I know of. It wasn't used in the advertising but has been used internely, since 1997 I had to place all parts orders using the three diget numbers. What is the differance if it is called a 17MT or a 170MT? It is still the same boat.
If they do drop or change the Montauk, just think what ours will be worth.
JohnAz posted 02-13-2002 10:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnAz  Send Email to JohnAz     
LOA: 13' 3" (4.03 m)
Beam: 5' 11" (1.80 m)
Draft: 7" (.17 m)
Weight (dry, no engine): 600 lbs (272 kg)
Maximum Weight: 935 lbs (424 kg)
Swamped Capacity: 1600 lbs (725 kg)
Persons Capacity: 5
Maximum HP: 40 hp (29 kw)
Minimum HP: 25 hp (18 kw)
Maximum Engine Weight: 210 lbs (95 kg)
Transom Height: 20" (.50 m)
Fuel Capacity: 6.6 gal (24 L)
Bridge Clearance: 2' 7" (.78 m)
It's not your Dads Classic 13,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 5 people,,600# with out water in the foam,,,
Wild Turkey posted 02-13-2002 10:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Wild Turkey  Send Email to Wild Turkey     
Dick:

Your right about it just being numbers....but I think it goes deeper than that for me. It shows that Boston Whaler is now a follower (instead of an innovator, like it used to be).

BTW, why add the zero? Why go through all the trouble? What dimension does it represent? feet?-no... inches?-no....meters?-no..

Whatever... my next Whaler will be a CPD, not some sexy, sloped, curved three digit model.

Chris

Wild Turkey posted 02-13-2002 10:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Wild Turkey  Send Email to Wild Turkey     
Just to clarify.... If I were to buy a "new" Whaler it would be a CPD.
PMUCCIOLO posted 02-21-2002 02:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
I agree with your posts completely! I showed the 2002 catalogue to one of my brothers, who stated "Boston Whalers are no longer! They look like Larsons or Sea Rays! What have they done?" The designs are supposed to be "in response to customer demand." Who are these customers? NOT ME, and, by perusing this website, NOT many of the current true "classic" owners. The new 130 should NOT be listed in the "classic" section of the catalogue. I don't know what that is, either! That is not a classic whaler! It is a NEW design!

It would be interesting to see if Whaler would reintroduce the classic 19', 22', 25', and 27' hulls in the recreational division with various interior configurations, even as limited production, and see if they sell. I suspect that they would sell quickly! However, in light of the demise of the Montauk, I won't hold my breath!

CPD boats, in my opinion, are the way to go. They have the design, construction, and wide variation in options once available to Boston Whaler customers. The craftsmen at the CPD plant (which is now separate from the recreational plant) seem to take great pride in their work. It is certainly evident, even on such "basic" models as my 2001 Alert.

Not to offend newer style Whaler owners...those boats have their virtues, but they are not what my impression of what the original Boston Whalers were designed and built for. This new numbering system disturbs me, also.

BRING BACK THE "SMIRK!"

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