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Buckda posted 02-15-2002 08:46 AM ET (US)   Profile for Buckda   Send Email to Buckda  
Received the new issue of "Boating" in the mail last night - cover story of the Boston Whaler Outrage 270. Interesting story, favorable review. I noticed that in the summary, the author kept referring to Whaler's reputation and how the "270" upheld the fine tradition of Boston Whaler.

After reading this article, one thing becomes apparent:
a) Not everyone has an eye for quality and craftsmanship (but then again, with what the competition is building these days, the bar has already been lowered significantly).

Why aren't these reviewers "outraged" by the overall decline in boat quality and craftsmanship and the inflated prices of boats these days? Advertising. They need it. The boat manufacturers supply it. The criticism and discourse that forces company's to build a better product is gagged. The general boating public suffers.

It's too bad really.

witness posted 02-15-2002 09:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for witness  Send Email to witness     
I wish someone would publish a barebones, simple and plain magazine that was honest and without the pressure from the huge boat builders. Maybe even online at first and in print later. I imagine that since word spreads so quickly due to the internet it could be a success.
tbyrne posted 02-15-2002 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for tbyrne    
See Powerboat Reports. Also, Offshore has pretty good reports. IMHO, Boating's reviews are a joke - little more than an advertisement for the mfr.
Arch Autenreith posted 02-15-2002 09:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Arch Autenreith  Send Email to Arch Autenreith     
Having had been in the housing business for so long I feel like I can draw a parallel. See how this goes.

There are many custom home builders that build very fine, expensive and custom homes. That I'm sure of. And almost everyone I ever talked to talked about how "they don't build them like they used to". You know, stick built, plaster walls, all-brick, 'Pella' windows (good windows), concrete driveways, etc. The lists were endless. But when faced with the decision size (biggest house for the $) vs. quality almost always won.

Here's where I see the parallel with the boating industry in general. You can build them to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but just because you build them doesn't mean people can afford to, or are willing to buy them.

Obviously it's a difficult decision. Quality vs. price. It never ends. I'm sure there are compromises both ways but there has to be.

And Genmar corp. with its automated building process is adding to this dimention. If what I read about it is true, they can build 10 boats in the same time as it takes other manufactues to make 1. And in those cases the tolerances and end results are superior. They're also less expensive because there's far less labor.

That's how I see it at the moment.


andygere posted 02-15-2002 11:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I think what you are looking for is right here. I agree that the boating mags are just one big infomercial. On this site, I believe we get honest opinions based on real experiences with all kinds of boats, not just Whalers. I've never seen a magazine review that really criticized a boat on quality, performance or price.
witness posted 02-15-2002 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for witness  Send Email to witness     
Andy, I agree! But I do feel bad for those who want other brands, are relatively new to boating and basically have no place to go and look back, like we can through past posts. Regardless, I'm more than thankful for this communinty!!!
Buckda posted 02-15-2002 12:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     

That's what I'm saying. There has to be some way to educate people about the quality vs. cost issue with boating. it's not like you can simply pull over and walk to the nearest service station if your boat develops problems. Buying a boat is a little like buying a spacecraft would be. You will be operating the vehicle in an environment in which you have not been designed (or evolved) to survive. Quality is of the utmost importance, and spending the scheckels to get it is a worthwhile endeavor.

I also take issue with current boat pricing. It seems to me that the prices are overinflated. There has to be a manufacturer out there who can deliver higher quality boats at a relatively similar cost, and STILL MAKE MONEY. The problem is that they're greedy...they'll push it to maximize profits (as it should be)...the real issue is that the boat-buying public needs to be better informed.

...and that's why I'm thankful for sites like this....but let's face it. The vast majority of boat buyers aren't doing as much homework as they should. Shame on them.

Okay - that's my Friday morning vent session.
: )

PMUCCIOLO posted 02-19-2002 01:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
I am glad to see these posts. It is unfortunate to see that, despite our "advances" in technology, many arts (such as boatbuiliding) have exhibited a decline in quality. I have a CPD 17'Alert, and, after touring the CPD division of Boston Whaler, I see why it's assembly and finish are near perfect. The CPD workers (I haven't seen the recreational plant in years) take genuine pride in their craft.

Consumers do need to do more homework; unfortunately, the boating literature is full of "infomercials." It is sad that boat reviews like those by Peter Wright and Tred Barta aren't more widespread. They actually point out deficiencies (and possible solutions) in their boat tests.

The other problem is a lack of adequate data on which to base our purchasing decisions. We have lots of data on cars, but boats are another story. Before I buy a boat, engine, or trailer (or anything else for that matter) I make lots of phone calls to people who own them (I ask the dealer for the phone numbers of previous customers who have made similar purchases), consult friends, and, most importantly, ask the marine mechanics!

Furthermore, I don't recommend buying anything "cutting edge" on a marine engine. I think that the manufacturers use the public as their testers and cross their fingers, releasing the engines too early in order to appease the EPA and keep up with their competition. BE CAREFUL: Being stuck in the car is an inconvenience, being stuck in the boat can be a disaster!

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