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Stereotype: BW owners not maintian boats well
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posted 02-18-2002 08:58 PM ET (US)
Owning a 15 now and having had many boats in family in the past (over 25 years, from Zodiac to Post) AND having recently looked at three 22 Revenges (mid 80's vintage and in NJ), it seems like the owners do the poorest job of maintaining these fine boats-I was appalled at thier respective conditions-- cushions left uncovered, canvas and eisen glass left exposed to elements, multip[le layers of bottom paint, engine bonnets not covered, to name but a few problems. Seems like weak effort made to keep boats in decent shape. I expect this from Bayliner, SIlverton, Sea Hawk type know nothing owners but why WHaler. I recognize that three boats is not a scientific sample, but my buddy (owns a bloody sea ray of all things) suugested that BW owners think that the boats (read: hull) are so rugged etc. that they feel they can scrimp on maint, repair, etc. Who knows, but nat attrative for sale, at least not of that vintage.
posted 02-18-2002 09:12 PM ET (US)
North Beach, Come to DE and take a look at the 22' Revenge we have for sale... I'm sure your impression of Boston Whaler owners will change. No bottom paint, hardly any nicks, dings, spider cracks, engine cover wear or signs of abuse, even though it was bought in 1990. Mike email@example.com
posted 02-18-2002 09:12 PM ET (US)
Howdy North Beach.
I think you got a statistically insignificant sample.
Both of my whalers stay under full mooring covers most of the time and I have a console cover and a RPS cover on my Montauk when she is in a slip overnight.
Red sky at night. . .
posted 02-18-2002 09:30 PM ET (US)
Your coming down a little hard on the Whaler community for your first post,don't ya think? I worked in the marina bussiness for a long time, and I've seen all kinds of neglect on all makes of boats.Some people shouldn't own a boat!I agree you need to widen your survey.BTW Welcome to the Forum! Outraged
posted 02-18-2002 10:00 PM ET (US)
Not all people take care of there boats (regardless of brand). I have seen some in really bad shape and I seen overs that are like totally brand new.
posted 02-18-2002 10:18 PM ET (US)
There is a simple formular -
Look at a persons room and look at there boat they will look the same......or look at their garage and their boat the same. Their sock draw ....etc.
posted 02-18-2002 10:43 PM ET (US)
I agree with you. Before I finally bought my Frontier, I spent two or three years researching and looking at used boats. I was absolutly amazed at the way some owners chose to show a "for-sale" boat. As for me and I'll bet I'm not to different from other B/W owners, nothing but the best. My Whaler looks better than a
Marine-Corp head on inspection day. My last girl-friend ran off muttering foul words.... said " You care more about that damn boat then me"....Hmmmm..Ya got that rite...Poor girl!!!!
posted 02-18-2002 10:51 PM ET (US)
Yeah, my EX girlfriend said that same @$#% from time to time. Of course she never worker her a$$ off to buy something she always wanted. Well, except chest surgery. But I'm not counting that!
posted 02-18-2002 11:07 PM ET (US)
Jeez, you've been reading my mail!
posted 02-18-2002 11:34 PM ET (US)
My family has owned, I think, about 12 to 14 Boston Whalers, starting with models in the 1960's. We have pampered our boats! They are washed after every trip, waxed frequently, and always inside stored. Their mechanical maintenance was on par with the cosmetic maintenance.
It is common for boat owners to neglect their boats, but, I think that Boston Whaler owners take BETTER care of their boats, especially the classics. The reason they may not receive TLC is that they are used in remote locales to do jobs no other boat could do of similar size.
posted 02-19-2002 12:47 AM ET (US)
Take care of my boat!! I had a 15' SS I bought in 1986 brand new, 12 yrs later while
launching her, a guys walks up and asks me If I just pulled it out of the store!!! I sold it in 1998 for $10,000 thousand, it cost me new $9,600. I bought a brand new Montauk in 98, it has it's own towel.
And to think my wife still asks me who do I love more, her or the boat. Not so fast,
posted 02-19-2002 01:04 AM ET (US)
I had a similar experience about a year ago with my 12 year old 25 Outrage, while docked at a Whaler Dealership, no less! Guy comes up to me and says "That's a beautiful boat you have. Mind if I ask how much it cost you, I'm looking to buy a new Whaler?" I said it's 12 years old, and not made anymore. He says "you're kidding, I can't buy one like that new?" I said nope. "Why would they stop making a boat like that?"
Good question. Maybe it's just an old out of date design.
posted 02-19-2002 07:34 AM ET (US)
I have also seen many Whalers that need plenty of TLC. I have seen them floating in slips and sitting on trailers. The other day I spotted a Menemsha sitting in a boatyard, exposed to the elements.Looks like it has been that way alll winter(Maine). What a waste!
The funny thing is, I called a few people about potentially buying one of these neglected boats. The reply? "No way, I love that boat!"
On the other hand, I have also seen plenty of Classics that looked beautiful.
In general, the smaller boats appear to be better maintained. The neglected boats that I have seen tend to be 22 Outrages and Revenges.
posted 02-19-2002 08:58 AM ET (US)
You are not properly addressing the issue! Some people care and some don't no matter what. I have a neighbor who lives in a $500,000 house and doesn't take care of it. I also have a neighbor that live in a $100,000 house that is meticulous. Same with cars, boats and even people. Regards, Jay
posted 02-19-2002 09:01 AM ET (US)
Hey Fred, I'm right there with ya. My wife says I only take my whaler out so I have an excuse to put it in the driveway all afternoon and wash it. She's 30 years old (the whaler, not my wife)and looks like she's ready for her mayden voyage.
posted 02-19-2002 10:20 AM ET (US)
Some people keep their boats that way so folks like us can buy them,spend money and time on them and then have people ask where they can buy one.
posted 02-19-2002 10:23 AM ET (US)
Well you were shopping in NJ after all.
posted 02-19-2002 11:32 AM ET (US)
I'm one of the guilty ones. I have three Whalers that are in way less than perfect condition. But I bought them to use, not to pamper. I do what it takes to keep them functioning well and safely, then go boating. I know that they will hold up well even if they aren't polished and pretty, and my family can beat the hell out of them without making me feel bad (good thing too).
I do remove all accessories, including canvas, when not it use. That stuff is expensive to replace. But the hull is on its own, and I don't feel bad about it. If I wanted I could do a little touch up and polishing and they would look OK, except for maybe some of the woodwork.
I have a sailboat that gets pampered, but that's become something of a hobby in itself. Different situation. I would never recommend anyone treat their Whaler like I treat mine, but I don't have time to feel guilty about it... I have too little time to spend on the water as it is.
posted 02-19-2002 11:34 AM ET (US)
Oh, one other thing: When looking at Whalers sitting in slips, remember that many of these are work boats and only get minimal maintenance (since the owner has other things on his mind, like making a living). It is unfair to hold them to the same appearance standards as recreational boats.
posted 02-19-2002 12:11 PM ET (US)
Brings to mind some of the abused automobiles I've seen while shopping for a replacement vehicle. To some people, their Whaler was "just a boat"; to other's its a valued possession. I waited for a "nice" BW 15' Sport to come onto the market. When I talked to the owner and he said "It's garage kept, looks new in and out, has galvanized trailer with no rust, never had bottom paint, never stored in the water, I've got all the records for it, and I'm the original owner". Having said that, I knew I had to see this boat with checkbook in hand. It was everything he said; he was simply upgrading to a '96 16' Dauntless, to be garage kept in it's place... I didn't get it for a "steal" but I did get it for what I considered a "reasonable price" given its condition, and the care it had received for the previous 11 years. Patiently waiting for the "right" boat is worth the wait. My friends always have a difficult time with the fact that my boat is 17 years old, and yet looks "new".
I may not have enough garage to store it in, but it does stay covered, on a lift, well cared for, and ready for use at a moments notice.
posted 02-19-2002 12:13 PM ET (US)
Whole topic is hogwash ---
Whaler owners come in all different character types each with their own set of priorities. The same hold true for any owner of any boat ---
It is not unusual to go look at 10 to 20 year old boats any brand and fine things wrong or not properly cared for --- heck I can show you boats less than a year old that look discussing.
Superficial stuff that's all expect it in any used boat --- one point though which always escapes me that is if the owner is selling why didn't he either have it detailed or at least cleaned up so he could undoubtedly get his price -- the only explanations I have come up with is that he feels the price is low enough that the buyer can afford to do that chore --- another point maybe the very reason for selling no time and maybe no funds to bother with it anymore ---
Why should I cover engines for what reason, cushions are designed for the weather multi layers of bottom paint at least the boat has it and at some point will have to be removed so what until that point is reached, I leave my canvas and clear vinyl up why not when time to replace it you replace it ---
I'll guarantee North Branch if I inspected his boats would come up with a list of items which I could say ah -- appalling --- all in the each individuals sense of what's important.
A Bristol boat will sell faster no doubt but for the seller there is a point of diminishing return which he must factor in.
Few random thoughts --- Z
posted 02-19-2002 01:32 PM ET (US)
Cars are cars, people are people, and boats are boats. All sizes and types. .03 David
posted 02-19-2002 02:39 PM ET (US)
Big Z- With all due respect and in the spirit of this forum,
--Engines should be covered because they fade and are more susceptible to the elements, the most damging of which is the SUN
--the same logic applies to canvas and especially eisen glass
--cushions are not designed to winter outdoors-or summer outdoors (ie rain, sun) for that matter-what sort of a owner really thinks that these cushions--made of plastic and FOAM- are meant to be left out--bayliner owners, but I would think better for BW owners.
Bottom Line: If owner is rich, then he dont care-can just replace when needed, but that dont show pride in the boat or the brand or the care of the owner--I would not go offshore in a poorly kept boat--can't count on it when situation arises
posted 02-19-2002 04:05 PM ET (US)
I dont mind looking at a "dirty" whaler if its obvious all it needs is soap and water. A shiny polished boat is hard to talk down in price! I was soooo lucky when I rushed into my whaler purchase! Aside from a tired trailer, the boat was mint! As far as the topic about BW owners, I just noticed in the Bay area, they all drive them HARD!!!
posted 02-19-2002 04:47 PM ET (US)
I have a friend who once told me I was preserving my stuff for a future generation! After while I began to realize there was some truth to the statement. But, that said, I will not hesitate to use something when the opportunity presents itself, and provide reasonable care in its use. I no longer spare up for every possible failure; in the past I sold too many parts for $0.25 on the dollar to continue this process. The availability of next day delivery and 7 day a week facilities has helped me to change my behavior. My boat looks "OK" but is mechanically (and safety wise) perfect. I enjoy the sight of a perfect classic on those occasions I encounter one.
posted 02-19-2002 04:49 PM ET (US)
A$$holes with cash is what we call them. More money than brains, etc. Some people just don't care and never will. It's their money and their boat, I guess the word "shipshape" had a different meaning to them.
Question: Why should canvas be kept out of the elements? Is it not on there for that purpose? What do you cover it with....canvas? I understand not leaving the bimini up all year but.........
posted 02-19-2002 05:19 PM ET (US)
That's exactly the point on canvas--take the stuff down for the winter--same thing for the cushions-it seems so obvious to me-that is what I have always done. Can u imagine leaving that stuff totally exposed to the elemtns all winter-just plain lazy- or dumb-if you ask me. then, when one looks at the boat to buy it , they-I- say " If this idiot leaves all of this stuff out in the elements, what other stupid-and potentially costly- things has he done--or not done. I agree that it is not endemnic to BW owners, but the three Revenges I looked at were-to borrow a description of my former wife- "RODE HARD, PUT AWAY WET".
posted 02-19-2002 06:31 PM ET (US)
Well, it is simple, where I come from most of the whalers you will see are Montalks. They are fished harder, longer, more often and take more abuse than most other boats in our bay. If I went up to Tahoe in the winter I could make the same argument about the several year old Dept of Forestry Suburban or other SUV. They go through a little more abuse than what most people put their rigs through. Now I don't remember the last time I saw a Whaler at a local lake that was used simply for a little sun and fun, you cant compare a little sunscreen smeared on a boat deck to what most whalers get. My whaler looks like something out a horror flick every time I go fishing, you don't have time to towel off fish blood and scales, or stomped bait when the action gets hot. It isn't the owners of the boats, it is the abuse that they were put through, and what they were made for.
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