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peteinsf posted 02-19-2002 02:11 PM ET (US)
I am looking for some information.
1) Max HP for a 20' hulls with whaler drive?
2) Complete specs for the original 70's Outrage & Revenge
3) Complete specs for V20 and V22 (I may have the V22 I think it just was renamed the 22')
Tom W Clark posted 02-19-2002 02:25 PM ET (US)
Pete,
Off the top of my head I can tell you the original 20 (V-20) had a max hp rating of 180 h.p. The newer (1986 to 199?) had a max hp rating of 200 h.p. in notched transom form and 280 h.p. in Whaler Drive form.
You are correct, no difference between V-22 and 22, they are the same hull.
Outrage/Revenge 19: 19'-4" LOA, 7'-4" Beam, 1500 lbs (Outrage) 1600 lbs. (Revenge), 175 max h.p., 65 min h.p., 4000 lbs. Swamped Capacity
Outrage/Revenge 21: 21'-4" LOA, 7'-4" Beam, 1600 lbs. (Outrage) 1800 lbs. (Revenge), 200 max h.p., 65 min h.p., 3700 lbs. Swamped Capacity
peteinsf posted 02-19-2002 02:34 PM ET (US)
Thanks Tom,
For the 19' & 21',
20" shafts for single and dual?
Fuel Gal?
Max passangers?
All I need now is the V20 details...
Pete
Tom W Clark posted 02-19-2002 03:10 PM ET (US)
Pete,
Now I'm starting to get a little fuzzy but:
V-20 weight: 1500 lbs., Fuel capacity: 55 gallons (built in), swamped capacity: 4000 lbs.
Tom W Clark posted 02-19-2002 03:16 PM ET (US)
I take some of that back. I think the V-20 had a 58 gallon tank, the same as the first year or two of the 18' (which later switched to a 63 gallon tank)
bigz posted 02-19-2002 03:58 PM ET (US)
Since TC is fuzzy the 20V has a 63/65 gallon tank 1977/78 --- beam 7'4" --- no Whaler Drive it didn't exist until the mid-80's.
If running an OMC you should wedge out the engine for more negative trim to eliminate proposing and be able to get on plane quicker --- otherwise a good solid boat we owned one.
Z
lhg posted 02-21-2002 09:35 PM ET (US)
1987-1989 20' Hulls with Whaler drive were rated for 300hp, or twin 150 25" shaft engines. But I have heard that it's a bit much for the boat, and twin 135's is a better setup. The 22 was also rated for the 300HP.
Tom W Clark posted 02-21-2002 09:51 PM ET (US)
lhg,
Are you sure about the 20 WD having a 300 hp max? I remember my 1988 Whaler catalog had the 20 WD at 280 max hp, thus a pair of 140's were illustrated in that catalog. Who did I sell my '88 catalog to? George Nagy? Does someone have one?
Tom W Clark posted 02-21-2002 09:57 PM ET (US)
lhg,
I also remember the 22 WD as having a 400 hp max rating. I know I saw a 22' WD Temptation on Ebay in the last few months with a photo of the ratings plate and it said 400 hp.
So my recollection:
20' WD 280 max hp
22' WD 400 max hp
25' WD 450 max hp
Bigshot posted 02-21-2002 10:21 PM ET (US)
As per my 1974 brochure:
19' Outrage/Revenge 170hp max. speed with a 150 is 38, twin 85's=44.
My mid 80's says:
20 o/b 200hp, w/d 240hp
22 o/b 240hp, w/d 300hp
25 o/b 300hp, w/d 450hp
27 600hp and can handle v8's. Others are limited to v6.
lhg posted 02-21-2002 10:30 PM ET (US)
Tom - I checked the '88 catalog you are referring to, and actually the HP ratings on the WD models only show an "*", with a note to refer to Dealers. The picture does show the twin 140's. But I have seen a 20 Temptation with twin 150's on it, and I think they later dropped the rating down as you indicate. Somebody at a Dealership told me the 300 was a bit much for the 20WD. Today, I would think a pair of 135 Opti's would really make a 20 WD fly. Twin 115 EFI 4-strokes would also be nice.
I know the 22 was only rated for 300, though.
I've seen plenty rigged that way. BW beat the Coast Guard system by counting the WD as hull length. But as you can see, even a 22 WD is not as long as a notched 25, which was also rated for 300. So 400hp could never be squeezed out of that formula.
When I ordered my full transom 25, I tried to specifiy a 450 HP plate, like the full transom WD's had, but they refused. They said they couldn't count the Armstrong Bracket as hull length, only the WD which actually ran on the water. But I put the 200's on it anyway!
Tom W Clark posted 02-21-2002 11:22 PM ET (US)
lhg,
Seeing a 20 Temptation WD with a pair of 150's is not evidence of a 300 hp max rating any more than me seeing your 18 OR with a pair of 115's is proof the boat is rated for 230 hp.
BS,
Are you sure your mid 80's catalog has the 20' WD at 240 hp and not 280 hp?? What does the cover of that catalog look like? Bimini clad 18 OR in the setting sun?
Bigshot posted 02-21-2002 11:47 PM ET (US)
Actually it has a 25 outrage cuddy on it in blue water. I would guess 86-89 catalog. I also have like a 1980 that rates the 20 as 180hp.....go figure.
Just like the 13 and now "maybe" the new montauk, Whaler is not sure where it wants their max hp to be at.
lhg posted 02-21-2002 11:54 PM ET (US)
Boy, Tom, you're being tough tonight. And worse than that, you're partially right!
I knew I had seen published HP figures for WD somewhere, but the catalogs don't show it until 1990. The information I have indicates some degree of confusion by Whaler on this issue, with changes continually being made.
The Price Books show the HP ratings before 1990! Here is what I have on the 20 & 22's:
(we all agree the 25 is rated at 450 HP)
Price book dated 02-01-88: (1988 boats)
20 Outrage/Revenge/Temptation WD: 280 HP
22 " / " " ": 400 HP
Price Book dated 08-01/88: (1989 boats)
20' WD Etc: 200 HP
22' WD Etc: 240 HP
(they must have thought the original ratings were too high - twin 200 Mercs on a 22? Yikes
1990 BW Catalog: (1990 Boats)
20' WD: boat discontinued
22' Whaler Drive models: 300 HP.
They must have settled on 300 as the best solution. I have seen a 1992 22' WD and it had the 300HP plate on it.
Tom W Clark posted 02-22-2002 01:13 AM ET (US)
BS,
That catalog of yours has a 27 cuddy, nott a 25 I believe. It is, I think, a 1986 catalog. (I sold my catalog collection last year and I'm doing all this from memory)
The original 20' (V-20) Whaler had a 180 hp rating. When they came out with the new design for the 20' in 1985 for the 1986 model year the rating went up to 200, so that's not an example of rating manipulation on BW's part.
lhg,
OK, so now we know all three of us are correct. Whew! But it does illustrate, to a certain degree, the arbitrary nature of horse power ratings. I think you and I (though perhaps not JB) can and do take these ratings with a grain of salt.
peteinsf posted 02-22-2002 02:31 AM ET (US)
I was attempting to make a single chart for all of the models specs.
With all the Boston Whaler indecision I guess I will list the maximum published number from any year.
Even the 25WD has more the one number. All of the published catalogs show 450HP and the plate on my boat is printed 400HP, go figure.
PMUCCIOLO posted 02-22-2002 02:42 AM ET (US)
I don't have the 2002 CPD catalogue handy, but it looks as if the Whaler Drive HP ratings have, once again, changed! The 25 is now rated for 365 HP. That's an odd number! I've seen older CPD catalogues with the HP rating at 400HP and 450HP a year later. I can't recall what the 22' WD max ratings are. When I find them, I'll post them.
Paul

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Author	Topic: Looking for specs (20' WD & 70' Hulls)
peteinsf	posted 02-19-2002 02:11 PM ET (US) I am looking for some information. 1) Max HP for a 20' hulls with whaler drive? 2) Complete specs for the original 70's Outrage & Revenge 3) Complete specs for V20 and V22 (I may have the V22 I think it just was renamed the 22')
Tom W Clark	posted 02-19-2002 02:25 PM ET (US) Pete, Off the top of my head I can tell you the original 20 (V-20) had a max hp rating of 180 h.p. The newer (1986 to 199?) had a max hp rating of 200 h.p. in notched transom form and 280 h.p. in Whaler Drive form. You are correct, no difference between V-22 and 22, they are the same hull. Outrage/Revenge 19: 19'-4" LOA, 7'-4" Beam, 1500 lbs (Outrage) 1600 lbs. (Revenge), 175 max h.p., 65 min h.p., 4000 lbs. Swamped Capacity Outrage/Revenge 21: 21'-4" LOA, 7'-4" Beam, 1600 lbs. (Outrage) 1800 lbs. (Revenge), 200 max h.p., 65 min h.p., 3700 lbs. Swamped Capacity
peteinsf	posted 02-19-2002 02:34 PM ET (US) Thanks Tom, For the 19' & 21', 20" shafts for single and dual? Fuel Gal? Max passangers? All I need now is the V20 details... Pete
Tom W Clark	posted 02-19-2002 03:10 PM ET (US) Pete, Now I'm starting to get a little fuzzy but: V-20 weight: 1500 lbs., Fuel capacity: 55 gallons (built in), swamped capacity: 4000 lbs.
Tom W Clark	posted 02-19-2002 03:16 PM ET (US) I take some of that back. I think the V-20 had a 58 gallon tank, the same as the first year or two of the 18' (which later switched to a 63 gallon tank)
bigz	posted 02-19-2002 03:58 PM ET (US) Since TC is fuzzy the 20V has a 63/65 gallon tank 1977/78 --- beam 7'4" --- no Whaler Drive it didn't exist until the mid-80's. If running an OMC you should wedge out the engine for more negative trim to eliminate proposing and be able to get on plane quicker --- otherwise a good solid boat we owned one. Z
lhg	posted 02-21-2002 09:35 PM ET (US) 1987-1989 20' Hulls with Whaler drive were rated for 300hp, or twin 150 25" shaft engines. But I have heard that it's a bit much for the boat, and twin 135's is a better setup. The 22 was also rated for the 300HP.
Tom W Clark	posted 02-21-2002 09:51 PM ET (US) lhg, Are you sure about the 20 WD having a 300 hp max? I remember my 1988 Whaler catalog had the 20 WD at 280 max hp, thus a pair of 140's were illustrated in that catalog. Who did I sell my '88 catalog to? George Nagy? Does someone have one?
Tom W Clark	posted 02-21-2002 09:57 PM ET (US) lhg, I also remember the 22 WD as having a 400 hp max rating. I know I saw a 22' WD Temptation on Ebay in the last few months with a photo of the ratings plate and it said 400 hp. So my recollection: 20' WD 280 max hp 22' WD 400 max hp 25' WD 450 max hp
Bigshot	posted 02-21-2002 10:21 PM ET (US) As per my 1974 brochure: 19' Outrage/Revenge 170hp max. speed with a 150 is 38, twin 85's=44. My mid 80's says: 20 o/b 200hp, w/d 240hp 22 o/b 240hp, w/d 300hp 25 o/b 300hp, w/d 450hp 27 600hp and can handle v8's. Others are limited to v6.
lhg	posted 02-21-2002 10:30 PM ET (US) Tom - I checked the '88 catalog you are referring to, and actually the HP ratings on the WD models only show an "*", with a note to refer to Dealers. The picture does show the twin 140's. But I have seen a 20 Temptation with twin 150's on it, and I think they later dropped the rating down as you indicate. Somebody at a Dealership told me the 300 was a bit much for the 20WD. Today, I would think a pair of 135 Opti's would really make a 20 WD fly. Twin 115 EFI 4-strokes would also be nice. I know the 22 was only rated for 300, though. I've seen plenty rigged that way. BW beat the Coast Guard system by counting the WD as hull length. But as you can see, even a 22 WD is not as long as a notched 25, which was also rated for 300. So 400hp could never be squeezed out of that formula. When I ordered my full transom 25, I tried to specifiy a 450 HP plate, like the full transom WD's had, but they refused. They said they couldn't count the Armstrong Bracket as hull length, only the WD which actually ran on the water. But I put the 200's on it anyway!
Tom W Clark	posted 02-21-2002 11:22 PM ET (US) lhg, Seeing a 20 Temptation WD with a pair of 150's is not evidence of a 300 hp max rating any more than me seeing your 18 OR with a pair of 115's is proof the boat is rated for 230 hp. BS, Are you sure your mid 80's catalog has the 20' WD at 240 hp and not 280 hp?? What does the cover of that catalog look like? Bimini clad 18 OR in the setting sun?
Bigshot	posted 02-21-2002 11:47 PM ET (US) Actually it has a 25 outrage cuddy on it in blue water. I would guess 86-89 catalog. I also have like a 1980 that rates the 20 as 180hp.....go figure. Just like the 13 and now "maybe" the new montauk, Whaler is not sure where it wants their max hp to be at.
lhg	posted 02-21-2002 11:54 PM ET (US) Boy, Tom, you're being tough tonight. And worse than that, you're partially right! I knew I had seen published HP figures for WD somewhere, but the catalogs don't show it until 1990. The information I have indicates some degree of confusion by Whaler on this issue, with changes continually being made. The Price Books show the HP ratings before 1990! Here is what I have on the 20 & 22's: (we all agree the 25 is rated at 450 HP) Price book dated 02-01-88: (1988 boats) 20 Outrage/Revenge/Temptation WD: 280 HP 22 " / " " ": 400 HP Price Book dated 08-01/88: (1989 boats) 20' WD Etc: 200 HP 22' WD Etc: 240 HP (they must have thought the original ratings were too high - twin 200 Mercs on a 22? Yikes 1990 BW Catalog: (1990 Boats) 20' WD: boat discontinued 22' Whaler Drive models: 300 HP. They must have settled on 300 as the best solution. I have seen a 1992 22' WD and it had the 300HP plate on it.
Tom W Clark	posted 02-22-2002 01:13 AM ET (US) BS, That catalog of yours has a 27 cuddy, nott a 25 I believe. It is, I think, a 1986 catalog. (I sold my catalog collection last year and I'm doing all this from memory) The original 20' (V-20) Whaler had a 180 hp rating. When they came out with the new design for the 20' in 1985 for the 1986 model year the rating went up to 200, so that's not an example of rating manipulation on BW's part. lhg, OK, so now we know all three of us are correct. Whew! But it does illustrate, to a certain degree, the arbitrary nature of horse power ratings. I think you and I (though perhaps not JB) can and do take these ratings with a grain of salt.
peteinsf	posted 02-22-2002 02:31 AM ET (US) I was attempting to make a single chart for all of the models specs. With all the Boston Whaler indecision I guess I will list the maximum published number from any year. Even the 25WD has more the one number. All of the published catalogs show 450HP and the plate on my boat is printed 400HP, go figure.
PMUCCIOLO	posted 02-22-2002 02:42 AM ET (US) I don't have the 2002 CPD catalogue handy, but it looks as if the Whaler Drive HP ratings have, once again, changed! The 25 is now rated for 365 HP. That's an odd number! I've seen older CPD catalogues with the HP rating at 400HP and 450HP a year later. I can't recall what the 22' WD max ratings are. When I find them, I'll post them. Paul