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jjf posted 02-22-2002 06:46 AM ET (US)   Profile for jjf   Send Email to jjf  
Can someone tell me roughly what a 25'Revenge weighs? I'm trying to determine if a 4500lb floating lift will hold one fully rigged?
WSTEFFENS posted 02-22-2002 10:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for WSTEFFENS  Send Email to WSTEFFENS     
Nope too light. According to a sales flyer (84 or so) the bare hull weighs 4000#

I have a 25 WT model & figure it this way.
hull 4000#, engines (2) 150 hp 400# ea (yea they are old '91 omc ) batteries oil tanks etc 200# plus fuel & what mom brings on board. 7000# for a trailer is a good guess, this would work for a lift too.



Ray posted 02-22-2002 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ray  Send Email to Ray     
What year is your Revenge and where do you boat? Ours is on LK Michigan.
WSTEFFENS posted 02-22-2002 09:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for WSTEFFENS  Send Email to WSTEFFENS     
I live in Cincinnati, however I leave my boat in Port Huron Mi. year round. The sweet water oceans are my favorates. The Revenge is a 25' WT a 91 model, I suspect heavily it was the second to the last off the line as the dealer I was working with asked me if I was interested. I had previously had a 22' model (also in the cetica) before, and I had told the dealer if they were going to stop production I wanted one. It arrived in Cincinnati, on December 20 1990, and was rigged in the spring.


lhg posted 02-24-2002 08:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Walt - you must have one of the very last Revenge W/T's! The 1991 BW catalog does not even show the boat as available.
Ray posted 02-24-2002 09:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ray  Send Email to Ray     
Thanks for the reply. Isn't it quite a commute to Pt. Huron from Cinn.?? How's your whaler rigged? Set up for fishing? Also curious about what engineering you are up to.. Spent 16 years at it myself.
dfmcintyre posted 02-24-2002 10:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Larry -

I asked Walt one time why he didn't go with the Whaler Drives to hold his twin 150's, and he told me that Ohio tax is by the actual length, i.e. it (the state) includes things like optional whaler drives, swim platforms, etc to compute the taxes.

Gail and I spent one week on his boat, cruising around our old haunts in the NC/BG area (our canvas wasn't done (still isn't) on the 21' project). We hadn't done any overnight cruising so to speak since I had sold the 25 Revenge Cuddy I/O in 1994. We had cruised in the 25 for about 10 years, so I got real comfortable with that sized hull and cuddy configuration.

I can honestly state, that Walts boat is just about the highwater mark for Whaler cruising when considering: Ride, Handling, Trailerability, Range and Creature Comforts.

Only thing that could have been better (Sorry Walt....) would be if it had either a Whaler Drive or brackets, and ordered like yours, with a sterndrive blank, as it would give you more than enough storage for a two week cruise.

Your close to the same height as I am, and one downside to my Revenge was that the Cuddy's headroom was just too darn low. I loved the room behind the seats... large enough for two 96qt coolers, one on each side, and still have room between the coolers and the quarter seats between the sterndrive hatch.

If you added the sterndrive hatch a W/T that had brackets or W/D, it probably wouldn't cut too much into the deck space, and would give real easy access to, say, multiple air tanks for diving.


jimh posted 02-25-2002 12:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It would be interesting to line up three or four owners with 25-REVENGE W/T Outboards and contact the Whaler Factory and ask for a quotation to convert them all to Full Transom. I wonder what that would cost these days?

Then CPD Whaler got done with them, haul them over to Armstrong and have the brackets installed. Get the fleet rate!

We have our eyes out for a larger REVENGE, too.


WSTEFFENS posted 02-25-2002 01:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for WSTEFFENS  Send Email to WSTEFFENS     
Larry & Ray:

As I said the dealer I was working with knew that if he heard they were stopping production to let me know. I inked the contract in early October, and the boat arrived in late December. I have never researched it, however I suspect my boat was using up previously molded and trimmed cabin/deck parts. That is why the '91 sales liturature doesn't reflect it. If memory serves me the Rebock co was pushing the Vanlacker hull introductions at this pointin time.

Ray, the boat is rigged for crusing. As for the commute, before 9-11, it was possible to hop a Comair jet on Sat morning and be at the Black River Marina by about 10:30 AM and then return the same way on a late Sunday evening or on the 7:00am Monday morning. The cost was less than $150 round trip. Ecnomically you couldn't run a full size PU or SUV for the price. This however may have to be re-evaulated.


lhg posted 02-25-2002 02:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
You guys are getting close to my favorite subject, outfitting engine mounts on Whalers!
When I ordered my 25 in Feb 1989, the full transom extra (called a Sea Drive Blank), for either the Outrage or Revenge, was surprisingly only $1000 extra. The WD was $3000 extra. Since my Armstrong bracket was $2500 installed at the time, I only paid a $500 premium for my setup.

But what many don't realize with either a 22 or 25 notched transom Whaler, an Armstrong (or other brand) 26" setback full transom bracket can still be installed. The top of the bracket is mounted flush to the top of the transom notch, the spashwell drains filled in, and new lifting eyes installed. The old spashwell is now dry and becomes a place to put an Igloo cooler seat to close in the back. A bilge pump gets rid of any excess splash. The bracket can and should be designed to accomodate 25" shaft CR engines.

I doubt if the CPD would retro-fit a full transom to an existing boat, but it would be an interesting query. First of all, I don't think the recreational transom cap moulds, with 3 teak hatches, are still around. I heard the Meridian people scrapped a lot of Whaler's old miscellaneous molds. The CPD transom caps are a different design, although possibly workable.

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