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triblet posted 02-22-2002 11:04 AM ET (US)   Profile for triblet   Send Email to triblet  
My 2002 West Marine catalog came yesterday.
Usually, I can find something to get excited
about, but this year seems to be a big yawn.
More DSC radios (no surprise), full court press
pushing Garmin BlueCharts (no surprise). The
only think mildly interesting was a new quick
disconnect engine flusher. It would save me
the trouble of unscrewing the tell tale plug
to hook up the hose.

Chuck

Jerry Townsend posted 02-22-2002 08:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
Triblet - I have the same opinion. I have leafed through the thing a couple of times looking for something that catches my eye. I am considering buying another GPS -- something like the Garmin 230 and now 232 or better Raytheon or ???? . My question, what is the difference between the "Blue Charts" and Navionics memory systems? I would be interested in getting the memory charts for the Pacific Northwest and also for the lakes of northern Idaho. I will have to call Garmin and see what information I can get from them.

Speaking of West Marine - their prices are not necessarily the lowest. I frequently use them because of the convenience - they have it and it is received within a couple of days. Another source for GPS systems is www.thegpsstore.com ---- Jerry/Idaho

Dick posted 02-22-2002 09:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
After 30+ years in the marine accessory and parts business I have not seen much new exciting stuff introduced each year except for electronics. Most new accessories just seem to, maybe, be a better mouse trap. Electronics on the other hand have been exciting, there was no such thing as a depth finder when I bought my first boat. Look what we have available now, and who knows what will be available in the future.
It's hard to get excited about a new brand of cleats, bilge pumps, etc.
Even though the accessory changes have not been exciting over the years there have been major improvements both in quality and safety.
Dick
triblet posted 02-23-2002 08:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Jerry, I haven't done a side-by-side of
the Blue Charts and Navionics, but the Blue
Charts are quite detailed. And while marine
charts of your lakes may not be available,
the Garmin topo maps will certainly have
them. I use the topo maps for a couple of
lakes a I go to occasionally. You should
also check out he Standard 150/160/170
series.

Color chartplotter prices will probably crash
over the next couple of years. My little
Garmin 162 is about $400. The 2010 (10"
640x480 color LCD) is $2500. 15" 1024x768
LCD computer monitors are $279. OK, Garmin,
where's the rest of that $2100 coming from?
My guess is the 2010-like units will be a
$1000 in three years. Heck, I can by a NICE
IBM ThinkPad, an EtrexClassic for position
source, and BlueCharts for a lot less than
$2500. Of course it won't be waterproof,
but you get the economics.

Tom Byrum posted 02-23-2002 12:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom Byrum  Send Email to Tom Byrum     
Jerry I have a 180 which uses the pre Blue chart chip. I dont think the Blue Chart has any more detail. Although I never had them side by side to compare. I think its pretty much identicle. The speed of the machine when you have a screen change is a major difference. Also the clarity of the screen is way better. At least in the store it looks better I never seen it in the bright sun. The 230 is a great unit just slower and not as clear. My 180 is good enough until I move up to a color screen like Chuck says in a couple years. Color gps is way cool.
triblet posted 02-23-2002 07:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
BlueChart has LOTS more detail than the old
G-chart chips. I've had both for the same
area (Monterey). BlueCharts look like a
NOAA chart. G-charts look like a rough
sketch of a NOAA chart.

Chuck

Tom Byrum posted 02-23-2002 07:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom Byrum  Send Email to Tom Byrum     
Chuck are comparing them to the navionics chips or the c/d download? I looked at the area in front of the Golden Gate and it didnt appear any different than the chip for my 180.
Tom Byrum posted 02-23-2002 08:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom Byrum  Send Email to Tom Byrum     
Chuck I just re read your post. You never had the navionics chip. You had the c/d version which I agree with you that the blue chart is way more detailed. I was referring to the navionics chip that the 180 and 230 use, which is very similar to the blue chart. Pretty close to the same detail on both.
Jerry Townsend posted 02-23-2002 11:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
triblet and Tom - I appreciate the information - thanks. I currently use a Garmin 48 which serves me well in Idaho for hunting and boating but this last fall, I saw the benefits of a charting GPS in the Pacific Northwest and said - gotta have something like that. Thanks again ---- Jerry/Idaho
triblet posted 02-24-2002 09:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
As I said, I was comparing the old Garmin
G-chart chips on my 175 (Navionics, right?)
to the BlueChart CD download on my 162, which is
supposedly the same as the BlueChart chips.
I never had the old Waterways and Lights CD,
which was even less detailed than the
G-charts.

Note, that AFIK, the micro G-chart has the
same data as the older physically larger G-chart. The 180 uses micro G-charts.


Chuck

13sport posted 02-24-2002 12:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for 13sport    
Chuck,

If you could have only one Garmin CD (topo, waterways, Etc) for inland boating which would you choose?

Sport

SuburbanBoy posted 02-24-2002 06:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for SuburbanBoy  Send Email to SuburbanBoy     
I know you asked Chuck, but I happened to drift by and thought I might offer my opinion. Depends... For fishing, crusing or?

I must say if it applies to your lake, the Fishing Hot Spots CD is very complete. The BlueCharts are better, also, but may not apply in your area. The Topo is fairly complete, (where I have checked) and also contains land based detail.

sub

triblet posted 02-24-2002 09:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Well put, 'burb boy. I'd add that the
answer may also be area dependent. The
"best" CD may be different for different
areas, in addition to needs varying from
person to person. Do your home work. Best
if you can see it on the GPS you are going
to use, though you can get an idea at least
for WW&L vs topo on Garmin's website. FHS
and BC aren't really there (you can't see
the detail in FHS, just coverage areas,
and you can't really see anything about BC).


Chuck

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