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David Ratusnik posted 02-24-2002 01:16 PM ET (US)   Profile for David Ratusnik   Send Email to David Ratusnik  
The March issue of Trailer Boats carries a short article (STRONG FUTURE, Pg 22) concerning real changes Bombardier has made to the Ev/Johnson outboard line. To date, all that I had really heard were the ads saying "all the parts had to reapply for their jobs etc"- but this article actually shows a beefed-up driveshaft with gearing. Article states that this same sort of improvement has been made to powerheads, electrical etc. Being a Whaler person who really wants to see Ev/Johnson back as a major player I was pleased to read about something real as opposed to just advertisements re quality. FYI David
Alan Hiccock posted 02-24-2002 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
I read basiclly the same info. different article. Bombardier really went over these engines and took care of many issues. I think they really did the right thing. I bought 2 new OMC outboards last 5 yrs. both are sold now but I liked them. A 50 spl, & a 90. They always got me home safe & ran good. Im big fans of Johnson 4 cyl.{ & most Evenrude}. The Johnson 150's ran real well also as most 6's. My 50 Evenrude 2 cyl. really salted up and those 2 cyl. jobbies really shook but it also never failed me. With no p.tilt/trim I used to run " unlocked" if I ran aground she just popped up being so light it never got damaged except for minor skeg chips/paint.
I bet we'll se OMC outboards as the # 2 choice for most folk behind Yammie. Who knows maybe even # 1 as they pretty much were at one time.
David Ratusnik posted 02-24-2002 04:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
It should be interesting to see how parts prices ($$'s) for the new Bomb.Ev/Johnson engines will hold up compared to the parts needed to fix Yam/Honda. Previously, the OMC parts were less expensive and available quickly, plus many competent mechanics worked on the brand. The article raises a concern re parts availability for the older OMC engines- should get interesting putting these old warriors back together. I'd like to run my older Johnson 225 until a new, proven Johnson 4 stroke is available. Does anyone know when Bombardier anticipates coming to market with a 4 stroke? I know that Suzy is providing their lower hp 4 strokes. David
lhg posted 02-24-2002 08:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
For Bombardier to become 2nd choice in outboards after "Yammie", Yammie would have to first knock Mercury out of their 50% + market share of outboards. That's not going to happen anytime soon. For them to become #1, Mercury and Yamaha are going to have to lie down and play dead.

If Bombardier is now saying they "cleaned up" the previous OMC quality and tolerance problems, what is that saying about the previous OMC engines, 2001 and earlier? That they were all made with sub-standard parts? Or is this all a bunch of hype at the expense of a US company that no longer exists, and can't respond. Or is it a little bit of truth on both sides, before and after the bankruptcy?

David Ratusnik posted 02-24-2002 08:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
lhg/Allan- OK, why'd Bombardier buy out OMC-- to be 4th or worse??? Thoughts. David
Tom W Clark posted 02-24-2002 08:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I think I would be suspicious of any of the last couple years production of OMC motors, and I say this as a die hard fan of OMC, as most of you know. I do hope Bombardier does well and I suspect they will. But #1? Perhaps, but not any time soon.

Actually who knows what the future holds? My guess is Bombardier, Mercury and Yamaha will be the big three, but who knows if someone else will come up with some great innovation.

At any rate, us debating the strengths of our favorite outboard lines isn't going to change a thing. I gets to be kind of like rooting for your favorite sports team, fun but irrelevant. As for who sells the most, remember sales numbers have little to do with quality. BY FAR the biggest and most successful recreational boat builder in the world is, and has been for some time, Bayliner. Are we to believe they are the best boats in the world and Whalers are inferior?

Alan Hiccock posted 02-24-2002 10:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
I'm not going to bite.. we'll maybe just a nibble.
Dave,
Bomb. bought OMC because they knew it was a good product that had a strong marketshare/reputation that made mistakes and went bankrupt. First Cobra drives which thousands were recalled & new gearsets installed & FICHT which was also a finanical nightmare that was the 1-2 punch, bad management too.
As far as Merc outselling OMC & Yammie could possibly be true as Brunswick is huge, as Tom Clark says Bayliner is Americas # 1 selling boat also.
Im not going to start Merc bashing because Ive owned a couple around 20 yrs. ago. { back then I drove a Yugo, ahh bad joke}
Most people I know would put them # 3 in quality & dependabilty behind Yamaha then OMC. even if they are # 1 in sales. Not to say mercs are junk I know that isnt true also.
Maybe # 1 for racing as they really wind up.
my 2 cents, Alan

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Wild Turkey posted 02-24-2002 11:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Wild Turkey  Send Email to Wild Turkey     
Well guys.... I went to my local boat show this weekend (Mobile, AL). Hundreds of boats from dealers along the Gulf Coast. I saw exactly two Bombardier products (Johnson 2 stoke 90's I think). Both were on aluminum bass boats. Bombardier has a long way to go here on the Gulf Coast.

Breakdown (just guessing)
Loads of Yamahas (HPDI, 4S & OX66) about 60%
Honda 15%
Mercury (Opti & EFI and carbed) 15%
Suzuki 5%
Nissan 1%
Bombardier 1%

Also, the local Whaler dealer (Killinger Marine) had their Whalers rigged with Yamaha power.

scottfarm posted 02-25-2002 06:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for scottfarm  Send Email to scottfarm     
I built and flew experimental aircraft for 15 years using bombardier's Rotax engine. I bought 8 different engines from them and never had a single problem. I'll bet the fishhawk boat they are selling is a good boat too. They are first class quality. They came into the market building the best 2 cycle engine on the market. They soon developed the best 4 cycle engine in my opinion. I predict they are quietly developing a 4 stroke marine engine that will nock the socks off the competition while currently improving johnson and evenrude's motors.
David Ratusnik posted 02-25-2002 07:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Allan- I am aware of the OMC failures over the past decade plus. Seems the Cobra outdrive was about the first- I personally experience this pile of junk on a 23'Chris Craft for approx 4 yrs-if you could get it into reverse it would generally kill the engine (leads to creative docking strategies). I currently own an older 225 Johnson and happen to be quite pleased with it--for now. I trust one (1) mechanic to work on it, he will only work on Ev/Johnson which leads to my interest in the Trailer Boats article. I wish to buy Ev/Johnson within the next yr/or two and as you correctly note the '99 (for sure) and possibly later model Ficht OMC engines (225's) are problematic. Soooo, if Bombardier (another biiiiig company) is really beefing up (as per article) the parts put into these newly produced engines I am pleased. Again, first time I'd come across anything real on the issue-beyond ad BS. Frankly, I could care less if Ev/Johnson is number 1,2,3, etc. Quality of mechanical service for my engine peeked my interest in the article, not who sells the most outboards. David
Alan Hiccock posted 02-25-2002 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
Dave,
I wasnt even refering to who sold more, I wrote I bet OMC will be a popular choice for most folk again.
I too had a late '80s boat with the Cobra that broke due to the transom mount shift cable issue, the one & only I/O I owned { the Mercruisers are supposed to be fine}
Scottfarm's quote tells it all, this company does it right. OMC will be on peoples shopping list once again soon if not allready.
David Ratusnik posted 02-25-2002 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Allan- Ditto on the IO set up- never again. D
PMUCCIOLO posted 02-26-2002 01:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
I refer you to the Southern Boating article I quoted on the "FICHT...fatal or curable" post under the Performance section of the forum.

Paul

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