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North Beach posted 02-27-2002 01:40 PM ET (US)   Profile for North Beach  
Been looking hard at the above boat (96). dealer says 40 mph easy. friend of mine with same boat and 115 2 stroke and says he can only hit 4o with a tail wind (dealer said he should do 50!)

ANyone have any knowledge of this.

Many thanks in advance.

Dave

tabasco posted 02-27-2002 02:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Easy.........give a deposit based on the boat hitting 50. If the boat doesn't hit 50 on the GPS take your deposit back. (At least you will have had a nice ride on a whaler)
tabasco posted 02-27-2002 02:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Sorry I ment 40 MPH ..........got carried away with myself
North Beach posted 02-27-2002 02:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for North Beach    
tabasco:

Yeah, your right, but if someone knows now, I won't wate my time--two other--competing dealers--have said that the boat is underpowered and should have a 115

Bigshot posted 02-27-2002 03:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
That is personal opinion. I used to think that a 17 with anything but a 90+ was underpowered and why try and save $$ by putting on a 50 or 70 when Whalers are so expensive to begin with.

With that said I recently put a 70hp 4stroke on mine and I won't give it up for anything. yeah I lost 3mph on top end...who drives WOT anyway. i still pop out of the whole with 4 people....when will I ever have more than that?

take it for a test ride and determine for yourself. That boat has been for sale a while because of that 90 on it and if it works for you, it might come cheap.

Personally the dif between a 90 and a 115 will be very minimal in my book unless you are always running fast or heavily loaded.

35-40 mph aint all that shabby and you'll laugh at the gas docks.

Bigshot posted 02-27-2002 03:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
PS....I grew up in Harvey Cedars. Will be there 3/8 to 3/12. Gonna be swinging at the P-hole. And NEVER listen to Hance & Smythe, they are theives.
North Beach posted 02-27-2002 03:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for North Beach    
Big Shot: That baot has been around for awhile and I have real doubts about it, but maybe okay at the right price.

I assume your 17 is a montauk?

By P-hole do you mean BAker's Porthole?

Also, love to hear your experience at that particular dealer-- they have a 19 donzi center console for sale that is tempting, but perhaps draws a little too much for the bay- may have to keep my 15 whaler

Dave

Bigshot posted 02-27-2002 03:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
just checking your status(newbie or local, etc). You passed:) Ole Bob is my favorite barkeep(good golfer too).

Wally Hance is ok. His son kinda rubs me the wrong way and Harry Smythe is a complete jerk if he is still alive. They are expensive, take 10 years to order parts and service is S-L-O-W. Other than that they are the only shop in town. I bought 1 boat from them and the rest i bought used and most came from them originally.

That Donzi is not too big. I have a 20 Hydra-Sports I keep in Loveladies(1/2 Dad's) and she is great for the bay. That Donzi however is not the best boat made. That was when OMC owned them I assume and they were basically a glorified something that flung the Donzi badge. They also have no resale. Now the 33' CC is another story.

I would look at that 18' again and see if she fits your needs. Top end aint that important to me, but then again I also have a Baja that does 65 when i feel the need:).

aubv posted 02-27-2002 04:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
North Beach,

For what it's worth. I have a '96 OR with a 130 HP Evinrude-top speed w/full tank, three people= 41.3 MPH.
I agree with Bigshot top end just isn't that important. Cruise of 30 gets me any where I want to go in 30 minutes or less.

Hoss posted 02-27-2002 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoss  Send Email to Hoss     
I have a 1996 17' Outrage with a 150HP 2.0 Liter Mercury with a light load it runs 50 MPH at 5000 ft. It will run 52 MPH at 3000 ft with 2 people and full fuel tank. I'm spining a 19" Merc. Offshore prop.
Salmon Tub posted 02-27-2002 06:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Salmon Tub  Send Email to Salmon Tub     
I used to be the King of underpower in my neck of the woods, I had a 40hp on my Montalk. actually hit 30 mph alone. In any case, when I hung a 90 on the back, I gained only 12 mph in top speed. the 40 had 13" prop, the 90 has a 17" prop. Out here, I can maybe top out at 20-25 on the average day, and out the gate, the speed drops even more. Any faster makes it rough and wet. My theory is wake up 20 minutes earlier and stay nice and dry the whole day in the boat. I used to get much better gas economy (fuel burned to get from point A to point B and back) with the 40. Boat handles and sits much better with the 90. If you can, test out the same size hull with both engines, even if it means driving a bit to the next dealer. I don't think you will feel much difference.
JBCornwell posted 02-27-2002 06:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Bigshot:

We need to remember that the '96 OR-17 is the 1700lb SeaRay 17, not the 1150lb classic Boston Whaler OR-17 of the early 90s.

It is heavier than a classic OR-18 by 450 pounds and rated for 150hp. I suspect it also has much steeper deadrise as well. If my OR-18 would be underpowered with a F115 on it, as I was so urgently counseled, what would that SeaRay "Outrage 17" do with a 90??

North Beach: I think that boat would be a slug with only 90hp and adequate with 115, but no better. Put a BF130 or DF140 on it.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

JBCornwell posted 02-27-2002 06:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Oooopps! The classic BW OR-17 weighed 1020, not 1150. The '96 outweighs it by 680lb.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

North Beach posted 02-27-2002 09:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for North Beach    
I agree with the idea that then boat must be underpowered, but maybe I will see if I can cut a deal contingent on sufficient speed... don't know, it obviously presents a problem for the next sale . . .

I'd really like an 18 outrage which can be had for about the same price, but way older . . .

JBCornwell posted 02-27-2002 10:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Don't let "older" intimidate you when it comes to a Whaler, NB. In my opinion a classic OR-18 is worth more than a Searay OR-17 any day.

But. . . that's just my opinion.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

Bigshot posted 02-28-2002 11:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
oops!

My Bud has that boat in Loveladies with a 150 Johnson. Thing is sick and in my opinion overpowered. My Hydra-sport is about 2mph faster:). We raced from the Dutchman's home and because his holeshot was better it took all the way to Wood's Island to catch him.

I would test ride it anyway.

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