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Montauk to Outrage
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posted 02-27-2002 02:52 PM ET (US)
Am looking at 1990, Outrage19 w/115 Johnson.I now have montauk17 w/merc90 I do alot of salt water fishing,and thought the Outrage would be more stable and roomy. I have not been in the Outrage and wouldlike advice from those that have been in both.Thanks C.C.
posted 02-27-2002 09:08 PM ET (US)
I have a 1988 18 Outrage (140 Ev) and am on my 6th Montauk. My boating is on an inland river and the N.C. Outerbanks. Have used Montauks for years on the coast, but decided to move up to the Outrage. Certainly the additional Outrage hull weight and fuel capacity is a plus. Probably depends on how far offshore you fish. Seems like I still use my Montauk more than the Outrage, and if I had to choose one it would be the Montauk.
posted 02-27-2002 10:00 PM ET (US)
Howdy, CCC. Like David, I have had a variety of Whalers. We also agree on what is the best of them.
The Outrages are more comfortable and faster to go way off, and they have more range. They also are a lot more boat to tow, launch, maneuver, fuel, load, maintain and store.
My Montauk is much easier to tow, launch, fuel, load, maintain and store. It is also much more agile and able to go in skinnier water. It is not a boat for wusses or candybutts when the water stands on edge, but it is safe.
If I had to settle for only one of my boats, it would be the Montauk.
BTW, I don't think you would like the performance of the OR-19 with only 115hp.
Red sky at night. . .
posted 02-27-2002 11:02 PM ET (US)
I own a '81 Montauk w/ 90 hp Johnson and a 18' '89 Outrage w/ 150 hp Yamaha. The Montauk is the best boat ever made and the Outrage 18 is the best boat ever made. I like both. They are both great boats. If I had to make a choice between one or the other, it would be very difficult. I am truly conflicted.
Now, if I had to choose between my Montauk and your proposed 18' Outrage with a 115 hp....Montauk all day long. Ditch the power go for a six-pack of ponies, 150 on the 18 Outrage gets you conflicted.
The truth is I use the 18'Outrage 10 to 1 over the Montauk. Not so conflicted.
|Tom W Clark||
posted 02-27-2002 11:14 PM ET (US)
I've owned two Montauks, both with 90's and I owned an 18 Outrage with a 150.
After the Montauks I stepped up to the Outrage. It was one of those things where you think: "how did I ever live without one?" No way I would go back to a Montauk for what I do. It is superior in everything it does except, perhaps as a slalom ski boat (bigger wake) and there's not a lot of difference there either.
The other thing is I kept the Montauk in the Garage but I had to pay to store the Outrage. Needs a bigger tow vehicle as well. Burns more gas. Remember, the 18 Outrage is essentially half again as much boat than a Montauk. Half again as much displacement, half again as much horsepower, 1 foot wider, 2 feet longer, all with the same console and seat. Just a great boat.
If you get the Outrage, and I suggest you do, you would do well to put a 150 on it. You will be very pleased.
posted 02-27-2002 11:31 PM ET (US)
See excellent discussion on 18' Outrage in reference section of Cetacea.
posted 02-28-2002 08:52 AM ET (US)
I am making the change from Montauk to 18' Outrage this weekend. I loved my Montauk and took several years to decide on the change. After fishing out of both, I believe the
posted 02-28-2002 10:26 AM ET (US)
the 22 outrage is the machine-i had 17 montauks but the 22 made me a believer, g
posted 02-28-2002 11:18 AM ET (US)
Go with a 9' Squall.....way better gas mileage, especially when the sail is up.
posted 02-28-2002 12:09 PM ET (US)
Tsk, tsk. BS is being a smart alec again.:(
If you fish way offshore and nowhere else the OR-18 is certainly a better boat. I sure have loved my ORs in that application.
I fish everything from local lakes to the Great Lakes and occasional offshore. I also tow anywhere from 20 miles to 2000 miles to do so. For that, versatility is the name of the game. Versatility's name is Montauk.
Red sky at night. . .
posted 02-28-2002 08:22 PM ET (US)
Great coments guy`s. Is the diferance between the 115 and 150 enough to not buy the boat.This boat and motor are pristine,and the price is great.
posted 02-28-2002 09:13 PM ET (US)
If the price is that good, buy it. If it doesn't perform as you want, sell the motor and re-power.
I love my Montauk but my boating is on lakes. If I get the bug to start salt water fishing I would probably step up to an Outrage as well.
posted 03-01-2002 12:24 PM ET (US)
How about this swap. From my 95 Montauk with 90 Merc-Bimini top very clean to
"Wisconsin- 22 Outrage Boston Whaler, with full Mills Canvas like new, teak R.P.S. new cushion, New Rear Wrap Around Seat, newer 72 gallon cooler w/newer cushion, teak gunwhales with 9.9 Evinrude kicker.A real good looking claasic. Tandem axle trailer with surge brakes, with new coupler." I only boat on Lake Michigan however the lake is getting so low that I am having trouble launching the Montauk let alone an Outrage. I have always wanted a 22. Is it too much boat to trailer around? My tow vehicle has more than enough power however my garage may not be tall enough and I like to tow at 75mph. Bigger is not always better. I am just sick of my back hurting when I wake up the morning after a long cruising session. Help.
posted 03-02-2002 09:30 PM ET (US)
Has anyone used a115 on a 19Outrage?
posted 03-03-2002 08:15 AM ET (US)
Tom Claark could you describe the differance in performance between a115 and 150 on the outrage. This boat and motor are about as perfect as you can get.
posted 03-03-2002 10:32 AM ET (US)
Remember if that Outrage `19 is the Outrage 2, basicially the `18 Outrage with more weight and I believe a higher Console, the 115 h.p. engine may be a real dog, also eat more fuel and heavier to tow than the `18 Outrage Classic, the two Outrages are different in certain ways. Jack.
|Tom W Clark||
posted 03-03-2002 11:50 AM ET (US)
Hold on there Jack, the Classic 18-Outrage was renamed the 19 Outrage a year or two before Whaler changed the the inner hull skin thus raising the cockpit sole and adding the goofy new console (Outrage II). The boat itself was unchanged, only the name. I think cc has the Classic if it is really a 1990 model, though called the 19 Outrage.
cc, I have never been in an 18 Outrage with a 115. I have spent some time in a 1988 18 Outrage with a Johnson 1988 140 however. I had a friend who I talked into buying an this Outrage. The 140 would seem to be plenty of power and at the top end it was, but although it was totally reliable, it did not like to run in the mid range. It would go slow and it would go fast but it was hard to get it to go 20-25 mph. I don't know why. It also got worse gas mileage than my V-6 Johnson 150. The two boats were otherwise identical.
If the 115 on the boat you are looking at is also a 1990 model then it's a 90° block.. It may be fine. It certainly will move the boat. It will not be good for water skiing (at least not slalom skiing) nor will it have a high top speed. But really, who cares about top speed? What it will not have is a lot of acceleration. Perhaps more importantly, it will have to be run much harder than a V-6 to achieve the same cruising speed. In fact it has been run harder if it's 12 years old. You might think about that.
You say this boat is "...about as perfect as you can get." Well, send me some photos and I'll tell you what I think. But seriously, the fact that this boat has what many consider to be a substandard power motor may work to your advantage.
You should use this fact to negotiate a better price with the seller. This boat is not as attractive because of the small, motor and if I were you I would I would make an issue of this fact and use it to justify a low offer. If you can engage the seller at all, and by this I mean if you offer a low amount and he counter offers anything at all, then you know you've got him. You will agree on a price half way between your first offer and his asking price.
Now, perhaps we can just cut to the chase: What is the asking price of this boat? What year is the motor?
Worst case scenario: You don't buy the boat. Big deal. They'll be others.
Best case scenario: You buy the boat for cheap and the motor meets all your needs, is durable for many more years to come and you are happy.
The middle ground: you buy the boat for cheap and put new power on it (either now or in the future) Sure you spend more money but in the end you get what you really want and it will have much better resale value when you decide to move up.
posted 03-03-2002 09:41 PM ET (US)
I recently bought a 1991 19' Outrage with a 120 Johnson. Apart from the super console, the boat has the same specifications as the old 18'. My personal opinion is that this is the best center console I've ever owned. The boat is very, very, FAST and the ride is AWESOME!!!!I can't tell you numbers since I haven't been able to install a gps yet, but again, the boat is fast!Go for it...You won't be disappointed.
posted 03-04-2002 06:55 AM ET (US)
Just purchased a 1993 19ft outrage, has a 150 ocean pro. Just sold my 1985 Montauk, believe me i loved that boat!!. But all said and done I needed a bigger boat something that i can punch through the Jones Inlet
L.I when she gets a little rough..Last year I took another 19ft for a test ride and i found that the high console was a pleasure,,could run at a good clip and stay dry!!Is the extra weight a disadvantage or advantage..is there any other performance issues???.. I hope the step up in size would greatly increase range and capablity to handle Mother Nature when she disides to get nasty.
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