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Alan Hiccock posted 03-01-2002 09:00 PM ET (US)   Profile for Alan Hiccock   Send Email to Alan Hiccock  
Wait a minute now, I just realized something..
My 15 sport I just bought 2 weeks ago has no cleats ! Hey who stole my cleats??
Being a little silly here, but what do you tie a clip on a line and snap it on those big ski-eye bolt heim joint lookin jobbies?
wonder if thats why the port rail stanchions needed rebedding, maybe tied up to the rails too often while gassing up ect??
Do all 15 sports come cleat delete?
whalernut posted 03-01-2002 09:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Alan, `15s didn`t come with cleats, you just clip onto the eyes in the back and loop over the Bow Norman Pin in the front. Jack.
Alan Hiccock posted 03-01-2002 10:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
Thanks Whalernut,

I kinda figured thats how you tie up with these skiffs but had to ask I guess. It struck me funny when I figured out that there were no cleats on the boat but I see it's just a different hardware setup here..
I guess it's not a bad idea to keep a line on the boat set up with a clip also , and have the line @ dock clipped and ready. ok, but how many boats have Norman pins ?
Fancy stuff here, no more pactic cleats like om my last 2 car. Skiffs .
thanks, Alan

jimh posted 03-01-2002 11:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I added a pair of cleats at the stern of my 15-Sport. They are mounted on the side of the cockpit bulwarks, close to the transom.

I don't think they are into any wood backing, put I did get pretty good purchase on the SS screws into the gelcoat and foam and plenty of 5200 bedding.

Now I would not tie the boat up with those cleats and leave it for a week at a dock, but if we do come up to a dock for a quick stop I use them. I usually loop my stern line around a piling and bring it back to the boat and make it fast to the cleat. That was I can untie myself from the dock from the cockpit.

The side railings are a good spot to hang a couple of fenders.

--jimh

russellbailey posted 03-02-2002 08:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for russellbailey  Send Email to russellbailey     
When my dad bought our 15 Striper new in 1980, he had the dealer install four cleats on it. Each one is through-bolted, with the nuts being outside the hull under the gunwale lip. Each cleat has a flat metal piece spanning the two bolts as backing. They also had to notch part of the rub-rail on top of the gunwale for the cleat to sit right. This looks good and has worked well - 22 years later and no evidence of any problems.
triblet posted 03-02-2002 08:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
This is the same setup the Montauk has.
It's a good thing, IMHO, no cleats to foul
things.

My docklines have a big eye splice in one
end. That's threaded put through the lifting
eyes fore and aft (not the norman pin) and
then the free end of the line is put through
the eye. Then I tie up to the cleats on the
dock. No clips required.

Chuck

Alan Hiccock posted 03-02-2002 10:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
Thanks for the replys.
Interesting that some folk added cleats.
I think I remember seeing in the diagram in reference section here in the website theres wood embedded back there for them.
I'll see how I like it without them & maybe add some later if I miss them.
Running a second anchor line might be better off a rear cleat instead of the big eyes.
I also like to tye up to funky things while bass fishing { theres an old telephone dock, bridges, pylons ect.} well can always keep a clip rigged as noted before.
thanks,
Alan
daverdla posted 03-02-2002 02:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for daverdla  Send Email to daverdla     
I keep lines on board like Chuck's with eye splices for the gas dock, bar, etc. At my dock, all four dock lines have spring loaded brass clips (is there a nautical term for those?). I have seen a couple of montauks with cleats attached.
Dave
Arch Autenreith posted 03-02-2002 05:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Arch Autenreith  Send Email to Arch Autenreith     
I thread the loop through the outside aft lifting eye then loop over the inside lifting eye.
It's a very quick on and off.
Tom W Clark posted 03-02-2002 10:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I'm with Chuck Tribolet on this one. On my 15' Striper, as well as both my Montauks, I never felt the need for cleats. K.I.S.S. (keep it simple, stupid)

I used 1/2" by 15 gold braided dock lines with an eye splice in one end. In the stern the eye was fed through the lifting eye on the inside of the transom. I had one line on each side and they just lived there ready to go at any time.

In the bow I did as Chuck does and looped the eye splice in the lifting eye below the Norman pin. This line was coiled and draped over the Norman pin, again, ready to go at any time.

For launching and retrieving or any other short term moorage, these lines were sufficient. If the boat was moored over night, I took a fourth line and looped the eye splice around the forward most stanchion of the side rail and drew this line forward to the nearest dock cleat or ring to create a spring line.

This fourth line resided in my cooler along with several other miscellaneous short lines and the painter I used to mooring the boat on the buoy, a 12 three strand nylon line with s.s. snap hooks at each end so it could be deployed and retrieved very quickly. (My mooring buoy is in a passage with tidal currents reaching 6 knots at times.)

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