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tradtke posted 03-04-2002 09:06 AM ET (US)   Profile for tradtke   Send Email to tradtke  
I fish in Texas and would like to convert my 1973 19' Outrage to a low profile bay boat by removing the cap. How difficult is this and what are the draw backs of doing so? Thanks for any Help
Bigshot posted 03-04-2002 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
been done and easy to do....no resale though and people gonna look at you funny.
Smallfrye posted 03-04-2002 12:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Smallfrye  Send Email to Smallfrye     
I take it you have not tried to sell one of these Bigshot, they not only sell fast, they sell at a premium. I also don't understand why "people look at you funny", the hottest bay boats on the Texas coast, like Shoalwater and El Pescador are not only LoPro look alikes, I believe the original proto's were pulled from BW hulls.
Trdtke, is you decide not to do this call me, I can rebuild and resell this boat before the weathter changes.
good luck
Bigshot posted 03-04-2002 01:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Ok let me rephrase that.

People will ask what it is because they have never seen one. I have only seen 2.

Resale will be hard in most areas due to the above and that it is not a "true" low profile. If he does it right, etc it might sell quickly but I still think he would fetch more $$ as a revenge due to desireability.

The revenge has the locker areas up front which would ened to be removed to make it right. That is more work than just removing the cap. Does the revenge have a wire tunnel? he might have to make one because my revenge had all the wires under the gunnel.

Tom W Clark posted 03-04-2002 01:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Uh, BS? tradtke has an Outrage he wants to convert, not a Revenge.
sorcerer posted 03-04-2002 01:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for sorcerer    
Tom W. Clark, it appears BS has once again opened his mouth knowing little of what he speaks.

The low profiles are nothing more than de-caped Outrages and I believe sold very well when they were produced in the '70's.

The boats Smallfrye mentions were I believed "splashed" in part from the original Whaler low profiles, in fact I think Whaler filed suit against some company down Texas way for patent infringement years ago.

If I recall Mr.Clark Roberts a while back posted in the Repair section he was undertaking a similar project with a 21 Outrage.

Tom W Clark posted 03-04-2002 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Oh, I think BS knows plenty and we'll forgive him this understandable slip.

Clark Roberts has a 19' Outrage that he has taken the cap off of for the purpose of doing this very conversion. There is another thread about his boat here: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000534.html

There are also some excellent photos of the original low profile in Cetacea page 37 http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage37.html

Clark Roberts posted 03-04-2002 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Yes, mine is a 19 and taking the cap off is easy as long as you cut it up as you go! Mine is still upside down on a trailer awaiting my efforts... as far as resale goes, well, I have turned down offers already.. almost everyone who sees it wants it... go figure! I would highly recommend the project! Happy Whalin'
outrage posted 03-04-2002 03:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for outrage  Send Email to outrage     
"Popping" the cap off a 19' outrage is a fairly simple process. Remove the rub rail, bowrails and a few additional screws and have a couple of extra hands to help lift the cap off. Replace the rub rail, properly seal all the holes left behind from removing the bow rails and you have a low pro. These things sell like hot cakes along the Texas coast and for a premium price as well. The only drawback would be a loss of some storage space, but I have seen many low pro's with a custom build deck which provides additional storage. This procedure can be completed in a weekend with proper help.
Good luck and make sure to replace the Boston Whaler logo on the side of the boat so no one confuses it with a Transport or Gulf Coast. You want to be sure they know that you have the real deal!
Bigshot posted 03-04-2002 03:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Since when can't I or anyone else here express their opinions when "asked". I don't believe Jim informed me of those new rules when we talked on the phone today. He asked for drawbacks....I gave him my opinion.

Could not have sold too many! Only made from 72-78 and if they were that "in demand" they would have continued in a CPD line I guess. Never saw one in the marketplace here for that matter.

Since I can't read and it is an outrage, I guess plumbing electrical will not be an issue. I also see they left the anchor line wells on the factory boat as well. I apologize. I assumed there was more to a "lo" than just popping the cap and adding a rubrail. In my neck of the woods you would think they would be everywhere due to the flats. In 4 years only saw one and everyone in my boat asked "what kinda Whaler is it" and "boy is it ugly". I knew what it was and agreed that it is ugly....functional though.

PS: KMA Sorcerer.

Smallfrye posted 03-04-2002 03:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Smallfrye  Send Email to Smallfrye     
FYI; an average condition mid 70's OR will bring $1500 in central Texas, convert the same boat to a low pro( +$600; new rub rail,decals, add jack plate, polish & patch) and the sell price jumps to $4500 on the coast.
Listed in any newspaper, it woundn't last the week end, even in this poor market.
Perception is everthing and since all the guides catching fish use this lo pro style boat, the buyer will have more luck in this hull and surly shows more class, since it's a Whaler.
outrage posted 03-04-2002 06:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for outrage  Send Email to outrage     
It is not uncommon for a 19' low pro to go for more than $9,000 along Texas Coast. I know of 2 low pro's that recently went for $10,500 and $13,000! The motors were over 5 years old as well.
vdbgroup posted 03-04-2002 08:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for vdbgroup  Send Email to vdbgroup     
FYI.

Shoalwater and El Pescador don't resemble Whalers in any way shape or form. They are simply dangerous boats and are over-rated flat skiffs.

The old style outrage hull low profile has done remarkably well in Texas reincarnated by Gulf Coast Boats in Pasadena, Texas and by Transport Boats in Palacios, Texas. Both of these companies sell over 120 boats per year with the old Whaler style hull. They have been in production here for around 10 years.

Each mfg. enjoys a phenemonally good resale as the Whaler hull design has the ability to run shallow and in the rough.
Some of the modifications to the original include a tunnel hull, and a slight changes to the rear part of the hull. But the entry of the hull and "smirk" are there. Yall should check them out on the web.

Incidentally, Transports boats is contemplating splashing an 1982 25' Outrage hull for commercial use.

Check them out on the web.

HOFFMAN posted 03-04-2002 10:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for HOFFMAN  Send Email to HOFFMAN     
I have only seen a few low-profile whalers or the 19 Outrages along the Texas Gulf Coast . What I do know from talking to the owners of the few that I have seen is that the price that they can fetch after the "pop the cap" is unbelievable. I did bid on a low-profile on Ebay last year but as it turned out it went for $13,500 and that was more than I was willing to pay.All I know is that if you have one spotted either a low-pro for under $11,500 or an Outrage for under $10,000 then I would jump on it. Again these price include baot , motoer and trailer. And for all the non believers that the boat can fetch that much in Texas go try and find an owner of a low-pro or a popped Outrage and once you finaly find him see what he would take for the boat-- --------

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