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vdbgroup posted 03-04-2002 11:12 PM ET (US)   Profile for vdbgroup   Send Email to vdbgroup  
Different (four) strokes for different folks!

I run a 90hp V4 Johnson on my Montauk w/ a 4" setback jack plate that weighs 300#. I still have a static draft of 9". Same draft when I put in my troll motor and battery in the stern, an extra 75#. When it gets rough, I get my crew in the back of boat to help out handling. I remember when I use to take four fat guys in My Montauk and ran through some mean chop with out all the bounce and pounce. Good Ballast.

My Montauk runs better when it has more weight. It is less bouncy, and the vee-hull gets to cut the chop better than if it was bouncy. The Montauk has a lot of buoyancy, a little weight on the ass-end is good for performance in choppy water. Give me weight in chop any day.

Why all the concern over motor weight?

Whalers are big-ole, light-weight foam sandwiches full of buoyancy. What gives?

What do you think Bigshot?


dscew posted 03-04-2002 11:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
Four fat guys in a Montauk in chop is a great visual. You are a very descriptive writer!
Blackeagle posted 03-04-2002 11:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Blackeagle  Send Email to Blackeagle     
"Four fat guys in a Montauk"

heh

Sounds like dynamic trim is no problem, even with all that weight in the stern. What about static trim. Can you pull the drain plugs with all that weight back there (not counting the four fat guys)?

triblet posted 03-05-2002 09:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
The jack plate weighs 300 pounds? What's it
made of, battleship armor plate? Expecting
to get shelled by the Coasties? ;-)

Chuck

Bigshot posted 03-05-2002 10:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I think I have a ass heavy Montauk that rides and handles better than it did with the lightweight 90 Yamaha. Jackplates rule!
JFM posted 03-05-2002 10:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
What is your definition of a "fat guy"? Me and 3 buddies in the back of a Montauk will either sink it or flip it! Regards, Jay P.S. We wouldn't fit any weigh.
Salmon Tub posted 03-05-2002 12:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Salmon Tub  Send Email to Salmon Tub     
The first time I went out the Gate on a Montalk, we were in a 7 to eight foot swell with a steady 15 knots of wind from the same direction. when we got to the hotspot, and started to troll, there was another Montalk that had three big guys on it. When they hooked up, they must have stopped trolling but didn't reel up the other lines. For whatever reason, The guy with the fished decided to work the fish to the bow instead of the transom, maybe so as not to tangle with the other lines. His buddy joined him up there with the net. The third guy, for whatever reason, decided he wanted to join the party. With that much weight on the bow the swell and wind set the boat up to drift with its bow into the waves. Needless to say, a set went by and one of the bigger waves came over and dumped half a boat full of water into the hull. The next wave said thank you, and pushed the now sunken bow even deeper, stood the boat up like a dive bomber and the next thing you know, there are three big guys in the water and a flipped Montalk. They were pulled out real quick, and the hull kept drifting, I am sure they recovered it later, the engine I am sure was toast.
seasicknes posted 03-05-2002 02:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for seasicknes    
Salmon Tub:
I heard that story. I think that happened awhile ago. Did you hear the other story about the cunang brothers off of stinson near the end of salmon season last year ?

Ken

vdbgroup posted 03-05-2002 03:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for vdbgroup  Send Email to vdbgroup     
In response thus far;

To be accurate, the "four fat guys", were really one fat guy, one muscle guy (me) and two regulars. (This was ten years ago) Total avg. weight between us was 200#. Now, we are all "fat guys".

My jack plate is a two piece manual plate from CMC weighs maybe 15#.

Those guys running in such large swells tested and found the limit of the Montauk
Submarine. Had they positioned themselves properly they would not have sunk. The Cunangs still use Montauks don't they?

For the record, I don't advocate fishing four large bodies out of the Montauk. Just for transport is OK. But, it sure makes a big difference when hitting chop. The good and bad of the light classics is they are light and strong, but they bounce too much when not loaded up. I really get the hell beat out of me when I am running alone in both my Montauk and OR 18.

Good chat!

Salmon Tub posted 03-05-2002 05:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Salmon Tub  Send Email to Salmon Tub     
Hey Seasicknes, That was back in 1993 as I recall, and I didn't hear about what happen to the Cunangs (don't know if I spelled their name right). As far as the flipped one, I was actually when it happened. It was my first time out on a private boat and only my second time out the gate. It was funny because that day we were also on a Montalk, my neighbor's friend's boat. This poor guy only knew one speed - full throttle, and we caught air on every wave. My back hurt for about a week and my neighbor got so scared, he won't go anywhere near the bay or ocean, even on a Party boat. Needless to say, it didn't scare me off of these boats, but I did realize that you still need brains and common sense out there.
Tom Byrum posted 03-05-2002 09:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom Byrum  Send Email to Tom Byrum     
I was out fishing at Duxbury the day the Cuanang boat flipped. The water wasnt that bad at all. You can hear Abe tell the story on KNBR.com in the archives on Brian Hoffmans fishing report. I think it was a week before salmon season ended.
seasicknes posted 03-05-2002 11:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for seasicknes    
Tom,
That is right. A week before salmon season ended. That day the seas were strange. Along the shoreline, the wind blew hard. White caps all over the place. The further out you went, the smoother it got. Normally its the other way around, but not that day.

I took a day off from work and play hookie. Decided to try to get me my 40+ pound salmon and as I was trolling around, I saw two helo's fly by and a coast guard boat zooming past me.

I saw the helo picked up one of the guys from the water. And I saw the coast guard boat uprighted the montauk and towed it back to s.f. bay.

Also, that very same time. Vessel Assist was trying to throw a line to another crippled boat. The captain on the vessel assist boat had a rough time getting the line over.

Of all the years fishing the area, I have never saw so much stuff happening at the same time.

Oh talk about backaches. Try doing albacore tuna on your montauk. You will be sore for days !

Ken (17 montauk / 22 hydrasport wa)

PMUCCIOLO posted 03-06-2002 03:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
As posted in the CPD literature (I don't have a recreational brochure available) the maximum engine weight is 330# for the 17' "classic" hull.
lhg posted 03-06-2002 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Hasn't BW been selling the factory rigged "Classic" Montauk with the 386 lb Merc 90 4-stroke? Wonder why CPD does that? Maybe it's because of the heavier hull weight.
PMUCCIOLO posted 03-07-2002 06:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
If anyone has a 2001 or 2002 Recreational products brochure, perhaps he could look up the max engine weight for the Montauk. I don't understand these inconsistencies, but perhaps there is SOME explanation. Thanks, LHG, for the engine weight figures; I don't have those readily available.
Paul
tabasco posted 03-07-2002 09:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
According to the 2002 Whaler brochure the max engine weight for a Montauk is 410lbs
Salmon Tub posted 03-07-2002 12:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Salmon Tub  Send Email to Salmon Tub     
A while back I wanted to mount a Jackplate for better performance, The boat manual stated that they don't recommend this. I called them and spoke to Chuck. I asked him was it an issue of weight from the standpoint of additional leverage or torsion on the transom? He said no, he said the transom can easily handle motors up to 500 lbs, such as the heavy Honda 4-strokes, They just have not tested boat performance with jachplates and don't know if there are any adverse handling characteristics. Again though he said it can easily handle 500lbs.

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