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2001 vs. 2002 montauk
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posted 03-07-2002 09:49 PM ET (US)
Hi all. I've been lurking around this board for a number of months and have really enjoyed it. Thanks to all who contribute and jimh for providing it.
I've never owned a Whaler but am now seriously pursuing the idea. I have been around boats, sail and power, for all my 45 years. I now find myself in need of a versatile all-around easily towable family/fish/ski boat (3 kids 8-13) and the Montauk seems to fill the bill, albeit at rather high cost. I have long been an admirer of the classic style of Whaler and the Montauk in particular.
There are a few dealers in my area who have leftover, new, 2001 Montauks. It is possible for me to get one without an engine or controls. I like this because it leaves me free to choose the outboard I like (I have not yet decided which one, but my choices would probably boil down to the smaller 4 strokes - Merc 60 EFI, Suzuki 70 or a Yamaha 90 2 stroke).
The left over 2001 Montauks don't come with a trailer. I actually prefer this. I would be free to choose what I consider to be the optimal trailer - e.g. maybe one of lhg's recommended Continentals.
Of course, I am also considering the new 2002 Montauk. I have only seen photographs and the brochure for it. One of the key advantages of this new boat is that the whole package is supposed to cost much less than the old style Montauk. There seem to be some other advantages - perhaps a more modern console design, greater beam, more freeboard, etc.
However, there are downsides. The thread about 3 piece construction has me thinking it is not as well constructed as the old style. You are stuck with a limited choice of engines of only one brand, and the trailer is also what they give you. I cannot stand the look of the new seat, it does not begin to compare with the classic RPS.
My real dilemma is that the cost advantage of the new model is almost insignificant in my situation. I can purchase a new 2001 Montauk and put a 2 stroke 90 outboard on it for almost the same price as the package deal for the 2002 Montauk with a 90 hp Merc 2 stroke. Granted, I still have to buy a trailer, but that is a relatively minor item, say 5-8% of the value of the boat and motor.
Given the above, is the obvious choice the old-style Montauk? Or is the new Montauk the way of the future and more suited to my purposes?
All opinions invited.
|Tom W Clark||
posted 03-07-2002 10:00 PM ET (US)
With 18 posts from as long ago as last August you probably know what I'm going to say.
Even if cost were not a concern, I would suggest you buy a late 1980's Montauk. This is just the crème de la crème of the Montauks and you will save enough to repower it with whatever you want and whatever trailer you want. I think this is the ideal all around, trailerable family/fishing/skiing Whaler.
I consider a Montauk to be superior to a 2001 Montauk and superior to a 1975 Montauk as well. You just can't go wrong.
posted 03-07-2002 10:07 PM ET (US)
Other than the pictures I have yet to see
the new Montauks.Chances are there is not a
third liner in the 2003 Montauk.
I think the 2003 Montauk would fill your
needs better as your kids get bigger.
Go with the package deal and the two
posted 03-07-2002 10:09 PM ET (US)
That is a rough decision to make. I bought a new Montauk in 1999 after wanting one for years. I love it for the boating I do and will probably take it with me to the grave.
I do like the looks of the new Montauk and if I didn't have a boat I would consider one, but not untill there is some feedback from owners and I could drive one there is no way I would buy one.
posted 03-07-2002 11:04 PM ET (US)
Buy the classic Montauk. It is tried and true, and its looks unsurpassed. Don't be a test case for the new model. Many of BW's new models over the last few years have not measured up to the classics, and that is putting it mildly. Besides, the new Montauk is the visual equivalent of the Pontiac Aztek in the car world. It hurts to look at one.
posted 03-07-2002 11:29 PM ET (US)
Pontiac Aztec? Come on! The new Montauk surely looks different from it's predecessor, but it is not that ugly.
posted 03-07-2002 11:41 PM ET (US)
That hurt "WHALERFRAN" since i just ordered an new 2002-3 Montauk. Im sure it's just that your an attorney and attorneys
have no vision for style :-)
Sorry fran but I happen to like the looks of the new Montauk , and I think you will find that a lot of people agree and as soon as there is some feedback from people like me who put their $20,000 on the table the orders will start to fly in.
As for grizzley where are you located ? and where will you use the boat ......lake or ocean?. If its a lake stay with the classic if it's the ocean you will need the higher freeboard (especially with kids)
posted 03-08-2002 12:39 AM ET (US)
I haven't seen one in-person, so I don't know if they used a 2-piece or 3-piece molding on the new Montauk.
It is probably a 2-piece, but there does seem to be some interior space back there in the engine well area. It would be nice to see exactly how that was molded into the hull.
I am a reformed sailor myself. The Whaler style is very compatible with a sailor's approach to boating. Jump in and get yourself a Whaler.
posted 03-08-2002 07:04 AM ET (US)
Grizzly, here's my advice> test drive before you buy! Get your hands on one and wring it out, slam it into turns, pound it over chop, pull the plug and see how much water comes in..etc, test the rail strength and position.. you know the drill. THEN, report to us... inquiring minds want to know! I wouldn't think of buying one without a complete shakedown! Beam me up! Clark... The Old Man and the Sea
posted 03-08-2002 09:32 AM ET (US)
I HAD A CHOICE BETWEEN THE OLD STYLE AND THE NEW ONE AND I DECIDED TO GO WITH THE OLD STYLE. BASICALLY BECAUSE 40 YEARS OF BOTH WORK AND PLAY ON THESE HULLS HAS SHOWN THEY ARE NOT ONLY TOUGH WORK HORSES BUT RELIABLE AS HELL.I PLAY AS HARD AS I WORK AND I WANT A BOAT TO DO THE SAME FOR ME!
posted 03-08-2002 12:39 PM ET (US)
I have been messing about with Whalers since 1966.
I haven't traded opinions with anyone who I thought knows more about Whalers than Tom W. Clark.
I agree completely that the classic Montauk is the best all-round boat ever, and that the teak trimmed Montauks of the mid to late '80s are the best MonTauks ever.
A better boat at about half price? What a deal!
Red sky at night. . .
posted 03-08-2002 01:25 PM ET (US)
A boat is more than a piece of equipment, its got to appeal to your heart. What does your heart (or gut if you prefer) tell you? If I read between your lines, I think you really want a new, never before used boat, and you have always wanted the classic Montauk, and it seems like right now would be a great time to buy one of those, and get the power of your choice.
posted 03-08-2002 03:50 PM ET (US)
In regards to WhalerFran's post above, I must agree that the classics are tried and true, when I bought my Montauk, I looked at a lot of used hulls, from 13 to 17. One thing I noticed, was that the older ones had a slightly different floor in that "gutters" that ran along the sides so as to route water in the hull into the bildge seemed a bit deeper and narrower. I also noticed that due to whatever reason, just about all the hulls had cracks running through these gutters. I was told by all who had them that they were just cracks in the gel coat and superficial. When I talked to my dealer, I mentioned this and asked ifthis would be covered under the warrantee if I bought a new one. He said no need because whaler addressed the issue in their design and made these gutters shallower and wider because the unusual angle placed too much stress on the gel coat. I don't know how much of this is true, but this is exactly the kind of bugs that need to be worked out in any product before it can be considered tried and true. I would like to see the profile cut-out of the new 170 (port to starboard) because they have increased the width of the hull and I am interested if they have increased it's "thickness" since the surface area has been increased.
posted 03-10-2002 09:54 PM ET (US)
I just went through the decision of What Montauk to buy about 2 weeks ago.
I decided to buy a 'Classic' Montauk because I had purchased a new 87 Montauk which I sold in 90 to buy a new
The Guardian was sold in 95 to buy a new home.
I could not live without a boat any longer so I decided to buy a boat this year.
My Whaler dealer,Twin Cities Marine in two rivers wisconsin priced out a complete package for a 01 Classic Montauk with trailer and 4 cycle Yamaha engine,pate fuel tank,bimini,front sun cushion,rear lounge seat . Total price with tax was about $28,500.
I was very close to buying this boat even realizing that my wife would be pretty upset with me spending this much.
I was running a very high 'Whaler fever' and needed to get a boat in my garage.
I then saw a used 1991 'Teak trim' montauk with a 90 Yamaha 2 cycle and custom trailer on the Whaler forum site.
In the photos it looked like it was in mint cond. I called the owner and he insisted that the boat was in perfect cond.
I decided that this was a great deal. The teak trim boat would bring back the memories of my old montauk more strongly than the new 01 Montauk that is 'teakless'
We agreed on $11,500 for the price and I went to Michigan to pick it up. I was not disappointed. It's in my garage now and I can't wait to get it on the water. I also saved a lot in tax. Illinois does not seem to tax used boat purchases.
I hope that this helps you in your decision making process. For me, The classic shape has been etched in my mind as my favorite boat. The new design boat would never satisfy my desires like the classic.
posted 03-11-2002 01:57 AM ET (US)
Pontiac Aztek...Hmmmm...perhaps and AMC Pacer would be more fitting?
No, seriously, I suggest letting someone else try out the new design prior to spending your hard-earned money. I had a less-than-positive experience with a new 15 Dauntless in 1995. I prefer not to elaborate here; it's too painful! I'm back to the classic hull now, and I shall not depart from its design and performance characteristics. Learn from my mistake!
If you can, perhaps you can amend your sales agreement to include your satisfaction with the boat on a test ride, or cancel it and wait for someone else to be the lab rat.
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