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Jim Barfield posted 03-10-2002 12:07 PM ET (US)   Profile for Jim Barfield   Send Email to Jim Barfield  
I have wanted a Whaler since I was 13 (I'm now 50) when my best friend got a 13' for his birthday. Started looking last November and had actually given up, but stumbled on an ad for an 84 Montauk. Condition can only be described as "Showroom" or "Pristine." 75 hp Evinrude with 8 hp kicker; Mills front cover, windshield, flying top look like they just came out of the box; 2-12 gal and 2-6 gal tanks, 2 anchors, net, gaff, paddle, CB, fishfinder, galvanized trailer, tow cover and all manuals. Asking $7800, took $7500. First day on Lake Sonoma, couldn't get the 75 to idle, limped in on the kicker. Turns out no compression on the 3rd cylinder, opted for a new power head, $2500. So, I'm into her for $10,000, thinking now I paid the market rate as opposed to a steal, considering her condition. Anyone agree?
browning20ga posted 03-10-2002 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for browning20ga  Send Email to browning20ga     
Welcome aboard! Hope to see you out on Tomelas Bay this summer. Out the door at $7,500 would have been nice but at $10,000 you'r at half the price of a new one and it sounds as good as new. Plus all the extra equipment you got you are way ahead of the game. Good luck and may many salmon and halibut come over your bow
North Beach posted 03-10-2002 02:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for North Beach    

Did you run the engine before u bought? Do most people? I been looking and that is one question I have been wondering about--to take a chance or not?

Jim Barfield posted 03-10-2002 02:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jim Barfield  Send Email to Jim Barfield     
To Browning20ga:
Thanks, I feel much better. You will see me on Tomales Bay, I hear August is the best time for halibut, do you agree? Also will be a regular at Hog Island, slurping up the oysters. Will watch for your boat, what's her name? Also, no offense, I'm a Remington man myself!
To North Beach:
No, did not ask to have it run, figured I could take a chance considering the condition and the guy seemed so honest and nice. Good thing my ex-Navy Dad is no longer around, would never live down trusting the seller, an ex-Marine! I would buy or borrow a compression tester, pull the plugs and check, at least. Best way to tell is in the water, of course. This boat was in the Chronicle last week and in Rio Vista, you may have called on it. Good Luck!
North Beach posted 03-10-2002 02:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for North Beach    
nope--live in the east, not the west. I would have taken a chance too--bought a convertible for 3500 bucks one from the side of the road.. Seller said it was one owner car--after we bought it, found it it was a 5 owner car (carfax) and needed 700$ of work.

Still would do it again, prob.
I am a remignton man my self, but Sig when it comes to the fun guns!

whalernut posted 03-10-2002 04:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Yea North Beach the Remington 700 shoots the best for the money right out of the box, I have owned 4 700`s in .270 and have sold them all, because I am a blackpowder man(flintlocks and caplocks) at heart, but they are what I recommend to people for the price accuracy point!! Jack.
browning20ga posted 03-10-2002 08:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for browning20ga  Send Email to browning20ga     
Not offended at all, Keep your lines wet and your powder dry. I have other brands too.
Clark Roberts posted 03-11-2002 06:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
As a minimum the compression should be checked before buying a used outboard motor(I carry a compression gauge in my truck)! A full in-the-shop check out is best but sometimes not possible. Here are some things to check in addition to compression: thorough visual all over, under cowling, under tilt bracket etc (looking for corrosion, cracks in lower unit and elsewhere, signs of mistreatment, discoleration on head =tell-tale sign of overheating etc; pull prop to make sure it's not corroded tight (frozen up on spline); loosen oil drain on lower unit and check that oil is not milky (tell tale sign of water intrusion); shift gears and spin prop,listen for noises and feel for smoothness; run trim/tilt all the way up and down then half way up and push down with full weight to check that hydraulics hold; turn steering lock to lock and check for ease and smoothness... if hyd steering check for signs of leaks at engine end and helm; test run on a hose or in the water and listen for noises,observe cooling tell tale stream, note idle for sm oothness and steadyness (sp?), etc, etc, etc, Of course it's best to end up with a complete sea trial! Others will have some more suggestions! Happy Whalin'.. Clark.. Spruce Creek Navy
Salmon Tub posted 03-11-2002 12:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Salmon Tub  Send Email to Salmon Tub     
I must admit, when I bought my 40, I didn't check the compression. As a matter of fact, it was so clean under the cowel, that I paid for it without a second though. It was $1,000 for a 96 Tohatsu straight out of pristine Tahoe. The only problem I have had was that it ended up bit a bit small for my 17, but enough for 1 season. It is now semi-retired, sitting in the garage, only to be fired up and run once a month. I do plan to buy a smaller hull to put under it, probably an aluminum one, so I can use it for crabs. Regarding the above posts, do you guys stay in Tomales or go into the ocean? How do you launch such big boats out there - at the ramp or at Dillon's? I used to have trouble launching and loading my 14' Aluminum there at low tide. I launch from Bodega, Heck, I have less reservations about going out the gate and through the patch than trying to leave Tomales. P.S. Brownings are nice but have too long of a trigger pull for me, Remingtons fit me perfectly.
Bigshot posted 03-13-2002 09:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Comp tests are mandatory. Testers are only $20-25, everyone should own one, even if they always buy new. First thing I do when engine starts running crappy is check compression. Hate to diagnose for 3 days to find out you blew something.
Chris J posted 03-13-2002 11:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chris J  Send Email to Chris J     
A ride and a compression check are pretty basic when buying an outboard, but if the motor is more than a few years old they are way far from a guarantee, and maybe not even worth the trouble. I did both when buying my most recent Whaler (it had an 86 Johnson 150) and a few months later discovered poor compression on one cylinder and a bad head gasket. Nobody's fault; the gasket just thought it's time had come.

If the 75 HP is as old as the boat, you were buying a risk no matter what kind of testing you did on it. Still, for that price you could afford to write off the motor entirely and have a decent deal. Maybe not a steal, but a very fair price, and now you know you have a new power head and shouldn't have to worry about it for awhile.

Enjoy the boat; it sounds like a good one.

Hoop posted 03-13-2002 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoop  Send Email to Hoop     
Jim, Congratulations on your acquisition! You might consider joing us at our May NorCal Rendezvous. I think most of us are in your age group, btw. I think you got a great buy! Hoop

Bigshot posted 03-13-2002 01:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Jim get a second opinion too. Could just be a head gasket....doubt it but could be.

For $25000I would get another engine in y opinion. Seems I have had "OK" luck with rebuilds. They are never perfect. there is a 2000 70hp Johnson on E-Bay for like $3100. For $600 I would step up.

Jim Barfield posted 03-13-2002 10:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jim Barfield  Send Email to Jim Barfield     
Thanks Guy's- feeling real good about it, will see how the power head works out. Learned a lot in the process, will know better next time. But,I have to ask,were any of you wide, bloddy awake at 3 am, washing your truck and pacing like a new father the morning you were going to pick her up? Jeez, it worse than what I can imagine heroin might be. Marsha Jean (The SO and namkesake of The Boat) is convinced, finally, I'm nuts. Is there a Whaler Widows section on this site?

I'm a novice at putting in Tomales, leopard shark fishing in an aluminum rental boat, Browning20ga sounds like he has tales to tell about it. I have stayed at The Golden Hinde, a moderate Motel/Marina/boat ramp/slips place in Inverness, but never put in there. OK mainstream fish restraunt, but across the road is Mankas, four stars. Have a buddy with a place at Dillon's and puts in and out weekends and says they do a good launch,price fair, considering. Would not even attempt it with my truck, let them do it. Have not, nor will soon, develop the juevos to shoot the mouth and go off shore, it's a Mother, been wet more than once, either by curls or self-infliced, fear induced, bladder reactions. Am content to stay in, I don't heal as well as I used to. Halibut, salmon, crabs, clams,oysters and way fewer Sleepers.
Thanks again for all the advise

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