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Dave Adams posted 03-16-2002 02:58 PM ET (US)   Profile for Dave Adams  
Been boating for 25 years. If the montauk aint the ugliest baot out there, what is? I have always liked BW (and own one) but the image of the flat bottom, too small for a center console boat, is sort of a detraction to the rest of the fleet. I hat the way they look and always have-how can the same company design that wretch and the far better proportioned and looking outrage.

Well, I feel better for coming forward and saying that, because I sort of feel like a fraud while I otherwise enjoy this forum.
MEA CULPA.
PS-I bet alot of other folks feel the same way.

Tom W Clark posted 03-16-2002 03:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Dave,

They say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Long ago I remember thinking those goofy looking cars made by Porsche called the “911” was just about the ugliest car on the road. Then I drove one. Then I bought one.

I loved that car and now I think of those cars as beautiful. Like the Montauk, it was designed the way it was for specific practical reasons, not for fashion. There may be a lesson there.

gvisko posted 03-16-2002 03:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for gvisko  Send Email to gvisko     
dave i dont agree with you i own a montauk
classic and think its the best 17 ft
out there. i fish this BOAT tru moriches
inlet (one of the worst on e coast) almost every weekend in the summer and fall i would not think twice about going 10miles off the
beach in it many a days the bigger BOATS
can't get tru i just hang a left and iam out
fishing . you can do a lot of things in a montauk i bet you can't do in your BOAT
gvisko
RWM posted 03-16-2002 04:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for RWM  Send Email to RWM     
Dave, Dave, Dave... Why are you poking the beehive? Did you have a bad week at work? Lose a big case? Get dissed by a judge, stiffed by a client?
Sure the Montauk doesn't have the lines that draw raves from Italian designers but for those that find beauty in form following function the Montauk lools pretty darn cool. All those copycats out there must have thought so too...Bob M.
P.S. Enjoy the ride from your post...
Alan Hiccock posted 03-16-2002 04:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
You want to see ugly, I had a 19'semi v Carolina Skiff before my Whaler.
If you looked @ her from a side shot, she looked ok but from the back, front or overhead mannn she was UGLY.
Looked like a big bathtub.
I think Montuaks have great " classic " lines , very handsome boat.
Ugly things, I'll tell ya.. No respect...
My wife is so ugly that the Peeping Tom's in our neighborhood chipped in to have our windows tinted...
I'll tell ya , I'm talking ugly....
Alan

JBCornwell posted 03-16-2002 04:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
OOOOOOh!! Dave!! I'm gonna tell Bigshot you said that!

In truth, Dave, it doesn't matter to me what someone thinks my Montauk looks like.

I agree with GVisko: The Montauk is the true descendant of the original CC; it is still the best, most versatile fishing boat ever made and the safest "17" ever made.

It may not be the best boat for any particular application, but it is better at most than any other boat.

If I decide to keep either my Outrage or my Montauk, it will be the Montauk.

Don't ask me for sympathy when the mob strikes. You have brought this on yourself.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

Tsuriki BW posted 03-16-2002 05:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Dave,

You are either just trolling or a guy just giving your honest opinion of a particular BW model you just don't care for.

You mentioned you own a BW. Which model? How does it compare, in your opinion, to the Montauk. (You have had experience with a Montauk, right?)

Tsuriki

Clark Roberts posted 03-16-2002 05:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
I will make a pact with all and it goes like this! "I will not respond to posts deliberately formulated to cause a certain response, in this particular case to get Montauk owners and others all heated up!" Please don't respond, criticize or in any way recognize the poster as that's what he's looking for... Gee, I guess I broke my own pact... is this a response? Happy Whalin'.. Clark... Spruce Creek Navy
Dave Adams posted 03-16-2002 06:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Adams    
Clark:
You hit the nail on the head, but would u agree that that boat is not proportioned properly-it just does not look right. If you compare it to the classic outrages, it is hard to believe that they are from the same family-the outrage looks good.

I have a 15, which is also a good looking boat, for its meager size (and my meager budget). If the lowly 15 and the outrage looks good, why does the montauk look so bad.

In boating, leastwise as I see it, the look of the boat is a big part of the appeal--that why I dontlike euro-boats or the trolley car sea ray types.

It is a good boat, I am sure, but it doesn't lokk right.

ANd for you RWm, you are right also--judges are judges becasue they could not make it as real attorneys.

BY the way Tom, my parents must live near you--at some airport community in New Smyrna

mbking1 posted 03-16-2002 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for mbking1  Send Email to mbking1     
Clark:

Good one admiral.

Dave Adams posted 03-16-2002 07:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Adams    
oops, the New Smyrna airport remark should be directed to Clark ROberts.


PS to MBKing: Your response brings alot to the table

tabasco posted 03-16-2002 07:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
You must be related to"Whalerfran" another attorney with no taste. It's now clear to me that attorneys really don't have any taste when it come to style.

tabasco posted 03-16-2002 07:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Dave Adams-

You must be related to "Whalerfran" another attorney with no taste. It's now clear to me that attorneys really don't have any taste when it come to style.

I REST MY CASE!

Julius Bosco posted 03-16-2002 08:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Julius Bosco  Send Email to Julius Bosco     
I'm with you Clark.
gunnelgrabber posted 03-16-2002 08:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
ugly? really? ...i figure "pretty is as pretty does"....and not only do i agree with twc and the other purists .. (really like those old 911 porches and corvettes and motorsickles too.)whatever floats your boat there, whippersnapper!.. a thing of beauty is indeed a joy forever! etc...lm
triblet posted 03-16-2002 08:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Yep, Montauks are ugly. And so are C-130s,
A-10s, Humvees, .45 automatics, Nikonos RS
cameras, and IBM ThinkPads. But, damn, they
do the job at hand.

Right after I got my Montauk, I got an e-mail
from a former girlfriend. She said she'd
seen my truck towing the CUTEST boat. Sorry,
Deb, no cigar, you can't go diving with me,
whalers aren't cute.

Admiral Linda: Where you gonna put the tank
racks? Right response.

Nice troll, Dave, no cigar for you either.


Chuck

Dick posted 03-16-2002 08:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Boy this one could turn nasty, but lets hope not.

Clark I'm with you allthough I'm biting my tongue so as not to speak.

Dick

whalerfran posted 03-16-2002 09:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerfran    
Tabasco, my dear fellow, I love the looks of the classic Montauk. It is the replacement Montauk that I find unsightly. I forgive you your error. Not so Adams' remarks, however. They are indicative of a jackass.
Tsuriki BW posted 03-16-2002 09:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Triblet...How about the AE3A..another beauty..

But the A10 takes the cake. Most beatuifulist airplane there is. If I gotta be in something that "Wart Hog" is my baby.....

Tsuriki

Dave Adams posted 03-16-2002 09:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Adams    
Triblet:

I knew that owners like you were out there and that u agree that those suckers are the "Bruno Maglis" of boats.

You will note that I never said that they weren't a good boat-at least for a bay or lake-perhaps the equivalent of the oft-naligned dauntless (althought that boat looks good).

Thanks for your support!!

PS to Gvisko: With them low gunwales, flat bottom and that light boat, u ought not to go out of sight of land- just becasue the boat won't break don't mean it won't go over.

Dave Adams posted 03-16-2002 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Adams    
Whalerfran: How very liberal--I mean intolerant --of you to those with different tastes
Tsuriki BW posted 03-16-2002 09:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Taking about...what about the DC3/C47...now that is one ugly bird...one of the best ever built..

And I just sold a 1953 Dodge 3/4 ton panel truck for $3000. You talk about a homely looking truck...I cried all day long..I'm really gonna miss it so much....

Tsuriki

whalernut posted 03-16-2002 10:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
You got to be kidding me that you think the Dauntless is a better looking boat than the Montauk. I wouldn`t buy the Dauntless or the New Montauk. I love the Montauk as much as my wife practically. I also like the looks of the Carolina Skiff Semi-V. I would take a Montauk 30 miles off shore in Lake Erie and feel comfortable, and Lake Erie goes from zero to 10 footers in minutes. I respect your opinion Dave, but also don`t agree with it, to each their own I guess. I am also the same guy who likes the old Montauk hull(up to 1976) better than the Smirk hull!! Jack.
Arch Autenreith posted 03-16-2002 11:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Arch Autenreith  Send Email to Arch Autenreith     
Dave.

I'm not sure I know why you feel better now that you said that. Isn't the 17 hull the most popular model by far sold in the BW line? And the longest produced of any model of any manufacturer by far also?
If you read my bio I say it isn't perfect but just all around great. What other boat does so many things so reasonably well (other than the clones)?

I think you're getting away unscathed this time given your statement. What's next, the classic 13?

Sorry Clark. I couldn't resist. You're right though. He's just looking for an argument. He's responded 4 times so far.

B Bear posted 03-16-2002 11:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
Gee....guys this thread is really non-productive, it would be something if there was something other than an opinion to support his statement,which is something I have seen in the past concerning my 16 Dauntless... So pass this thread by, every Boston Whaler has a place in someones heart so this is perfect example of "if you don't have anything good to say, don't say it".
Happy ya got it off your chest Dave, now it should just be water under the bridge. Have a good day.
Bear
Blackeagle posted 03-17-2002 02:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Blackeagle  Send Email to Blackeagle     
I'm with Triblet, RWM and various others. IMHO the Montauk is an example of a design in which utility and effectiveness are preeminent over aesthetic considerations. That, in my view, is an aesthetic all its own.
kingfish posted 03-17-2002 07:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Clark, I'm with you (although I happen to think the Montauk is a beautiful boat).

I did seriously consider the response, "Yeah, well, so's your momma.", but I missed my opportunity...

kingfish

bwmenemsha posted 03-17-2002 08:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for bwmenemsha    
...is this like a "broken arrow"...where you call in all the friendly forces upon yourself cause you are overrun....if you are not sure what that means counselor go see "we were young once"....a lot of ref to taste's in these threads...reminds me of a story i gotta share....the lion is following the elephant thru the jungle and eating all the elephants dung....finally the BIG "E" turnd around and asks the lion...what are you doing eating this sh#$???....the lion with a sickly look upon his face says..."I just ate an attorney back there and i am trying to get the bad taste out of my mouth"...happy boating and St. patties day to ya all
gvisko posted 03-17-2002 10:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for gvisko  Send Email to gvisko     
dave any body to start a topic like this
sounds to me like a real ass hole so dont
be giving me your advise you jerk


gvisko

Dave Adams posted 03-17-2002 11:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Adams    
Gvisko:
You go offshore in that boat, you will need more than advice from an experienced boater like me--you will need search and rescue.

Other than that, a thoughful and reasoned respose-I'd give it a "D"

Alioop posted 03-17-2002 12:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alioop  Send Email to Alioop     
Hey Dave, How about sending jimh a picture of you so we can comment on how ulgy and usless you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alan Hiccock posted 03-17-2002 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
so ugly Danbury mint sent me info on obtaining a model of one, I have to sign a waiting list, they wont even allow mw to make a deposit.
whalernut posted 03-17-2002 01:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Alan, I have 2 New Whaler Models still in the boxes, I bought them right when they came out, I never imagined a waiting list for them!! I should try to sell them maybee?? Anyway, that guy Dave sais not to take a Montauk offshore or you`ll need a Search and Rescue to find you, I say Bullshit!!! I have been miles out in Lake Erie in a `13 and `16 Whaler Classic and felt perfectly safe. I respect Lake Erie, but am not afraid of her, the way boating should be. Dave, you are going to take on the statis of Whaler Guy on here pretty soon and that ain`t going to make you any friends here, it`s your choice. Like I said I respect your opinion, but not when it comes to taking the Montauk offshore, thats rediculous, it is perfectly safe. Jack
Guts posted 03-17-2002 01:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Guts  Send Email to Guts     
I have nothing to say,to this TROLL!!!
Guts
Alan Hiccock posted 03-17-2002 02:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
I'd hang on to your 17' BW Danbury model, will go up in price or @ least hold it's value as do the real Montuaks .
Some people consider " Offshore" as the Canyons, 90 out. I wouldnt take even a 25 'er that far but as far as doing 10 miles out the inlet, watching the weather on nice days goes that's the Montuaks Forte.
The way I look @ it the boats designed to get you home safe if it kicks up a little coming in from your fishing grounds. , Overbuilt, unsinkable, cheap to own & run also draws more water then any boat in that size/weight class.
Those points are " The Beauty " of the Montuak.
I think it for years ruled the 17' class as far as range goes, till maybe Proline, Edgewater 17's came around, they may have a touch more range, but Montuaks are still prettier & better.
If there was a " hall of fame for boats, The Montuak woul be one of the first inductees.
Along with the 13, 15 sports, Outrages too { did I leave anybody out?}
The boats Americana man!
Alan
Dave Adams posted 03-17-2002 03:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Adams    
Alan:
You make many a good point (partic. as to the Americana comment), as long as the captian is watching the weather! For whatever reason, somw whaler owners think that because the boat is unsinkable, it can go anywhere, anytime-them be fools if you ask me.

No 17 footer is capable of serious offshore work.

The point of this thread was merely that it is an ugly boat- if that makes me a pariah, so be it. But most have agreed that it is ugly.

Noted naval architect Tom Fexas once wrote an article wherein he tried to expalain what he liked in a boat and what he didn't like (no fan of euro boats either). He is far more eloquent than me--who aint?- but his point was that boats should --somehow-look right and that some boats don't, for wahtver reason.

Ironically, it would prob. be a good boat for me, what with crabbing and fishing in the bay with my little kids, but the boat has no "appeal" to me-just don't look right.

PS to Alioop: TOUCHE'! Can't defend against that remark!

PPS: Better cancel my plans to attend a rendevous!


Alan Hiccock posted 03-17-2002 03:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
Dave we are all entitled to our opinions , ESPECIALLY concerning what we find attractive in this world.
But stating that A Montuak is ugly @ a Boston Whaler site is kinda like going into The Grand Ole Oprey and screaming, I Hate Country Music!!! You gonna get folk all riled up.
Anyboat that gets you out on the water, safely for a little fishing, away from it all is pretty to me, but the Montuak is more!
One of the attractive things a Montuak offers is it's quality. When you look at one you think, WoW, Nice, thats one boat I'll feel safe on, push it's limits as it seems to be begging me to do, and will trust to keep me safe, a real beauty.
Kinda like a SUV or Pickup truck, no sexy Ferrari or Corvette lines but an attractive combonation of form and function.
This aint no 17 ft. cheap flimsy runabout , Sometimes the eye has to be trained to appreciate the finer things in life.
Montuak, NY is such a pretty place , ever been there ? I have plenty times as I live on Long Island. Boats named after a great historical American town, God bless america, God bless the Montuak!, Alan
GAwhale posted 03-17-2002 04:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for GAwhale  Send Email to GAwhale     
Welcome to the Whaler family Dave.

You can beat up your little brother all day long, but if someone else tries to beat him up ( ie. a Sea Ray owner), Watch Out!

I will admit the Montauk looks a little outdated. Why did I buy one? She is a proven boat.

We will all wait to see if the new Montauk proves to be a winner also.

Dick posted 03-17-2002 05:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
I saw my first Montauk in the early 80s. It took me allmost 20 years untill I was in a position to buy one.

Am I happy with it? Yes.
Do I like the looks of it? Yes.
Is it everything I thought it would be? Yes.
What comment do I hear most at the ramp? Wow, nice Whaler.
Am I mad at you for starting this thread? Not realy.
Do I think we could have done without your stupid comment? Yes.

I was raised to understand that you don't stand up and tell another man that his wife is ugly, that goes for his boat and dog as well.

David Ratusnik posted 03-17-2002 06:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
From the empirical perspective- measure it, touch it, observe it-- two (2) things about the Montouk (or most other Whalers) strike me. One (1) they hold value (compare prices in any BoatTrader or other used market) and two (2) they draw a crowd of willing buyers. Advertise yours in the newspaper etc. The soft beauty opinion is just that. What you buy, you will eventually wish to sell. "Ugly" has been selling nicely for decades. .03 David
MilwaukeeWhaler posted 03-17-2002 06:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for MilwaukeeWhaler  Send Email to MilwaukeeWhaler     
Everytime I launch my Montauk I receive a compliment. Whether it is someone remarking on how great they proform on Lake Michigan. Or some salty dog telling me how much fun he had on his Montauk and he wishes he never got rid of her. Or I even had a couple of babes getting in there boyfriends Ski Natique say nice boat. My point is that for my boat the compliments are endless. My friends who don't know Whalers really raise there eyebrows when they see how many people love this boat. I even think that the Montauk may be more macho than a Donzi with thru the hull exhaust. I am proud to own one the classiest, most versatile boats ever produced.~ck
GAwhale posted 03-17-2002 07:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for GAwhale  Send Email to GAwhale     
UGLY...I'm Tellin You,I get NO Respect....

When I was a kid I was so ugly my parents had to tie a porkchop around my neck so the dog would play with me.

No Respect At All....

JFM posted 03-17-2002 07:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Dave, It's obvious you have no taste for a Classic.
Perhaps your idea of class is a bit differn't than the rest of us.
I can just see you now after you won a sad divorce case or framed an insurance company, wearing your cheap suit that doesn't fit, and then taking your client out for a seven/ seven, smoking a cheap cigar, and being happy you can make your next Searay payment.
Or perhaps you just think the Montauk is ugly.
Sorry but you draw the first picture to me. Regards, Jay
whaler222 posted 03-17-2002 08:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for whaler222  Send Email to whaler222     
i believe the montauk is the worst designed hull 2nd to the 13.......unless you like the back problems they cause. hell the 15 footer rides smoother than the montauk. and i dont even want to compare the outrage 17 to it. theres nothing i hate more than getting the crap beaten out of me because of someone elses poor poor design of a hull.
Arch Autenreith posted 03-17-2002 08:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Arch Autenreith  Send Email to Arch Autenreith     
Well then....I guess that about sums it up!!

This thread started with 'the ugliest' and now it's 'the worst'.

I better sell my Montauk now before I have to give it away. Oops...too late. I'll bet I can't even do that now.

whaler222 posted 03-17-2002 08:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for whaler222  Send Email to whaler222     
i believe the montauk is the worst designed hull 2nd to the 13.......unless you like the back problems they cause. hell the 15 footer rides smoother than the montauk. and i dont even want to compare the outrage 17 to it. theres nothing i hate more than getting the crap beaten out of me because of someone elses poor poor design of a hull.
Wreckdiver posted 03-17-2002 08:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Wreckdiver  Send Email to Wreckdiver     
I have to agree with MW. I spent last summer launching a Montauk at ramps around Michigan, and got all kinds of compliments about the boat. The only other boat, I have owned, to get that kind of attention was a 22 foot 1957 Century Ravin. The Ravin did ride better than The Montauk, but it topped out at 25MPH and went through about two quarts of marine varnish every summer.
RGU
whalernut posted 03-17-2002 09:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Dave A. You say "But most agree that it(Montauk) is ugly". Where did you do that survey at and prove it to me?? I know you didn`t get that on this Forum. Maybee in Donziville or something, prove it and and back it up or whatch how you word you`re phrases. The Montauk has been praised thru the decades by all kinds of boaters and publications, I have read many and talked to many. Prove you`re study to me!! Jack.
Dick posted 03-17-2002 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
There must be something right about the Montauk design, look at how many clones there are out there. You don't clone a looser.

This whole thing sounds like it is coming from a frustrated poster from one of those other forums.

Some people like Fountains, I do but not practical for me, same for Contender, Ranger and a lot of others. But a Montauk ugly, no way.

JBCornwell posted 03-17-2002 11:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
I remember a few people biatching about my '58 190SL because it rode like a 190SL, not a Caddy. Later (after I committed the colossal stupidity of parting with it)others biatched because my 190D wouldn't "get rubber".

Why all this whining about Montauk ride?? It never was a "ride" boat and it never will be. It was and is a stable, safe fishing platform that is about as comfortable as the skill at the helm makes it.

Why don't you guys start bashing pontoons because they are so danged slow and lack nimbleness?? How about bashing Hatteras because they are so danged hard to tow and launch with a Yugo?

I'll bet you can find good reason to bash anything that floats if you just place some stupid criterion on it.

I guess Dave would really love the Montauk if they just lined it with carpet and added purple metalflake to the gelcoat. (GAG!)

There. I really do feel better now, thanks.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

Hank posted 03-18-2002 12:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hank  Send Email to Hank     
I think my '84 Montauk is a great looking boat.
I receive compliments from all kinds of people who also think it's a great looking boat.
Many of these folks have no idea of the wonderful capabilities of this extremely versatile boat..only the appearance.
Perhaps it's the teak trim, the high stainless rails or the business-like console.
The boat looks to them, and to me, the way a fishing boat is supposed to.

Hank

PMUCCIOLO posted 03-18-2002 12:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
Dave,

PLEASE learn how to spell.

Tsuriki BW posted 03-18-2002 12:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Probably the most successful troll this Forum has ever had!

LMAO

Tsuriki

gvisko posted 03-18-2002 07:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for gvisko  Send Email to gvisko     
some laywer can't even spell boat (baot)
and he puts montauks down?

gvisko

tbyrne posted 03-18-2002 09:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for tbyrne    
"Laywer"??

If you are going to criticize someone's spelling, you should at least spell correctly yourself.

Bigshot posted 03-18-2002 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Enough lawyer bashings gents, off the subject!

Whalers are "kinda" ugly. The old slotted outrage comes to mind. I never felt my 19 revenge was good looking either. They are however cool and well respected. You can drive into pier 66 in a Montauk and people on 125' boats will wave to you. Try that in a Bayliner.

Whalers are no Cigarette or "Classic" Donzi as far as oozing sex, but they are the most famous boat ever made and most respected by all boaters around the world. Everyone who is anyone has owned a Whaler(Maybe just as a dingy)and they did not buy it because they thought about the way it looks. I have however gotten lucky in a few:)

As far as this thread goes.....why not tell your neighbor his Pitbull or his wife is ugly if you want to see what kinda reaction you'll get?

Whalerdan posted 03-18-2002 11:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdan  Send Email to Whalerdan     
After going through a divorce from my first wife I now call them "LIARS". If you say it with a southern droll they don't know your insulting them. ;)

ratherwhalering posted 03-18-2002 12:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
To test the the importance of this thread, I have "retopic"ed the initial post. Lets see if this post has any substance...

Been (eating) for 25 years. If the (pizzone) aint the ugliest (pizza) out there, what is? I have always liked (Roundtable) (and visit one) but the image of the flat (crust), too small for a (topping pizza), is sort of a detraction to the rest of the (menu). I hate the way they look and always have-how can the same company design that wretch and the far better proportioned and looking (thick crust).
Well, I feel better for coming forward and saying that, because I sort of feel like a fraud while I otherwise enjoy this forum.
MEA CULPA.
PS-I bet alot of other folks feel the same way.


Nope.

tabasco posted 03-18-2002 02:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Bigshot-
Thanks.........this is going to be my first Whaler .........and now I guess after all those years I will be a "somebody".........I've had those sexy boats .........3 Donzi's and a 35Ft Magnum.......but I guess I was never a "somebody" until now. .......:-)
Bigshot posted 03-18-2002 02:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Reality hurts don't it <;)

Being you had a Magnum.....you are OK.

fly by night posted 03-18-2002 07:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for fly by night  Send Email to fly by night     
Question: What do lawyers and Montauks have in common?

Answer: Nothing. Everybody loves Montauks!

Alan Hiccock posted 03-18-2002 08:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
Fly by night,
how 'bout... " Shiney gel coats"
I dont know why I think that's funny but I do!
Dave Adams posted 03-18-2002 09:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Adams    
Children, children, children . . .

All the classic lovers rag on the appearnce of the new Montauk (which, if u ask me, looks somewhat better than the old), and there are no personal insults or career attacks, name -calling etc.

If its okay to rip on a bayliner or searay, its okay to not like the looks of a particular boat. Many of us who otherwise like whalers dont like the montauk looks.

PS B Bear: it has to be opinion--there are no "facts" on the way a thing looks, dope. That is the point of a discussion like this. If u graduated high school, u would realize this.

PPS Bighshot: thanks for your pro-lawyer support- u r a staple of this forum and the others shoudl follow your fine example-problem is most cna't read too good, maybe b/c they got their brains all scrambled riding in a mountauk in a 6 inch chop.

'Nuff said. I win.

Alan Hiccock posted 03-18-2002 10:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
I OBJECT....
Sidebar............
You LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by a large margin
Case Dismissed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


B Bear posted 03-18-2002 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
Well Dave, Quite frankly I feel sorry for you that this is your way of getting a cheap thrill. I did not feel that personal attacks were called for and that when some of the other members dropped to your level it was a sad affair. I was hoping that this thread would be deleted or at the minimum ignored.
I am happy to announce that you have still managed to display that you have the ability to climb even further down the evolutionary ladder.

PS B Bear: it has to be opinion--there are no "facts" on the way a thing looks, dope. That is the point of a discussion like this. If u graduated high school, u would realize this.

This is for you Dave, “opinions are like a$$holes everyone has one and you are ours.”

For someone that is suppose to be a lawyer, making such a statement (or argument) without support shows a complete lack of intelligence and logic, your maturity level is somewhere in grade school along with your ability to write and correspond in a clear and precise manner. This makes me doubt that you are a professional in any field.
The only other reason for such action is to show what an a$$ you really are. Thank you for the reminder that people there are people like you here in America, and not exclusive to third world countries like Afghanistan and Iraqi. Can you figure out to who I am referring to?

Now that is enough said, I hope it was clear enough for even a something like you. No need to reply, this is my last post to you.
You lose in Spades.

MilwaukeeWhaler posted 03-18-2002 11:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for MilwaukeeWhaler  Send Email to MilwaukeeWhaler     
I'll take your word for it Tom and indeed if this is the case I apologize. Remember I said I enjoy his content, it just becomes a little tough to read after a while.
MilwaukeeWhaler posted 03-18-2002 11:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for MilwaukeeWhaler  Send Email to MilwaukeeWhaler     
Great, now this ugly/beautiful thing has me confused. Jimh could you please move my last post to the "Beautiful" topic from the "Ugly" topic. Sorry folks.
Bobber posted 03-19-2002 12:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bobber  Send Email to Bobber     
Bigshot, you nailed it. There is a cachet to the classic 17 which goes far beyond any one persons opinion of "beauty". I regularly launch my 84' 17SS at the 15th St ramp, next to Lauderdale Marina from whence it came, and often share the sea wall with a "who's who" of big bucks fiberglass. Passers by will give the Contenders and SeaVees a look but most all will stop at my boat to share their own Whale tales and check out my rig. Its almost like being part of a big extended family. The downside being that I get way too much advice on varnishing.
lhg posted 03-19-2002 12:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Bobber - I remember seeing your boat (named Bobber?) at the Lauderdale Marina gas dock about a year ago. Very nice.
Glad you found this site.
Bigshot posted 03-19-2002 09:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Bobber...LOL on the varnish tip.

Without lawyers I would not have a job, because of lawyers my job is nearly impossible:)

As far as opinions go....People also think Edsels are pretty. As far as bashing PantyLiners and SeaPigs go: A) This is a Whaler forum. B) I can :)

Bigshot posted 03-19-2002 09:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
PS The ugliest boat ever made in my opinion (!) is the evinrude & Johnson line of the 1960's. By far the fugliest things afloat.

OK Maybe that new Impact($$$ soap bar) by BW.

JohnAz posted 03-19-2002 09:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for JohnAz  Send Email to JohnAz     
Big Shot,,,Johnson boat yes,,,BUT Evirude "Sweet 16" a great boat and nice lines,,,loved mine when it came out nice ride and verry sturdy boat,gull wing bottom
TightPenny posted 03-19-2002 02:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for TightPenny  Send Email to TightPenny     
I realize that Dave, as an attorney is trained to argue a client's position, right, wrong or just plain indefensible, in order to properly defend the client. {That is what lawyers do, no matter how they are spelled on this thread, at least until the client is proven broke.} That being said, I have also heard that an attorney that defends himself has a fool for a client.

Dave, you just have an indefensible position. Maybe you should have found someone else to defend you. :)

Since I am not an attorney, I have to deal with fact, and scientific data. That is what my Engineering education dictates. By function and form, my Montauk is a pretty boat, and a da*n safe one too.

Bobber posted 03-20-2002 12:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bobber  Send Email to Bobber     
lhg - thanks for the welcome, actually I have been a regular lurker here for a year or so. Name on my boat is "Whale of a Time".
Last year I was at the Lauderdale Marina docks quite often at 6AM, but not anymore; their price for a dozen pilchards has gone from $19/dz to $30/dz. So I'll give up an hour of sleep and join the fleet on the bait balls pre-dawn.
That is, of course, only on those days when the Atlantic Ocean has less than a 6" chop!!!

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