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tflyer posted 03-17-2002 08:36 PM ET (US)   Profile for tflyer   Send Email to tflyer  
Because I own a 1981 B/W Frontier 25, I'm curious about some details of it's production. I'm certain some members who have more knowledge of the B/W line-up then I do will be able to fill me in. My vessel is the model with the forward leaning pilot-house, as seen in Cetacea pg.32 #3. They also made a Frontier with an aft leaning house. Any one know when these models were introduced and when they were discontinued? As they use the O/R 25 hull they seem to use different bow-rail combinations. Mine uses the O/R rail put together w/ fittings,(5 stanchions on each side and a snubed off nose in front. Others, later models I suspect, used the same rail but welded instead of fittings, about when did this change occur? Still others used a rail,heavier-duty I'm told, such as the one in Cetacea, was this heavier rail an option. The sales brouchure that came with my Frontier has a brown cover " Annoucing B/W's new 25' workboat". It has the Rockland,Mass. address, nowhere however can I find a clue as to what year this might have been used, any help? Another interesting item, the brouchure claims, I quote: "The gunwale boards and exposed hatches are white oak, finished with a tough,polyurethane seal coat". My wood while stained with a red Mahogany (I thought it looked better), is indeed white oak. I've read lots about teak and mahogany used on Whalers but hadn't read of anyone with white oak. Was this done as a cost cutting measure? Finally, any idea's as to how many Frontiers were produced? Many thanks to anyone who can help....Tom
jimh posted 03-17-2002 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
With an outboard style transom:
FRONTIER 25 1980-81
FRONTIER 25 XC 1981-1985

With Gil Bracket:
FRONTIER 25 XC 1981-85

With SeaDrive:
FRONTIER 25XC 1982-85

Need some more input for the difference between 25 and 25XC models, but I am guessing maybe "commercial"?


Tom W Clark posted 03-18-2002 12:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     

I don't know much about the Frontier model nor do I have any first hand experience with them but I'll make a few comments.

Few people have noticed the change in the windshield angle. As you point out, when the Frontier model first came out the windshield leaned forward. After a year or so they changed the windshield to one that leaned back slightly. This is the "look" that the CDP pilot house models have today.

Looking at jimh's breakdown I'm wondering if the "XC" designation doesn't refer to this subtle change (or changes) in this model.

The rails you describe are just like the rails on the other Whaler models of that era. Up until c. 1988 the rails were of the screw together type. When Whaler set up shop in Florida they (or their new rail supplier) started to produce welded bow rails (as well as bumping up the diameter from 7/8" to 1") The heavy duty, large diameter rail you mention may have been an option but it is also what is used on most of the CDP boats or, prior to the formation of the CPD division, those boats customized for commercial duty.

The brochure you have is, if I remember correctly, from 1980 when they first introduced the Frontier.

Now the reference to white oak is very interesting. I had missed that. It makes sense that for a commercial duty application they would switch to the stronger white oak if they were going to use wood at all. I am sure it was NOT a cost cutting measure but rather a very deliberate effort to produce a product more specifically adapted to its intended uses. Remember, the Frontier was never intended to be a yacht.

tflyer posted 03-18-2002 12:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for tflyer  Send Email to tflyer     
T.W.Clark & jimh: Thanks very much for your input. I have sent Chuck Bennett an e-mail hoping to smoke out the XC designation, I suspect it's as you say, the difference between the two pilot houses models. Its interesting to me that these little boats only had a four or five year production run. Their a great little ride. Again many thanks.....Tom

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