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peteinsf posted 03-21-2002 06:31 PM ET (US)   Profile for peteinsf  
OK, I am still on the hunt for a tow vehicle..

Found a 1990 F250 Diesel 7.2 5spd-manual 23K miles for $8K (seems sort of high $$$)

2001-Chev 1-ton 15 pass van Auto/350CID 15K miles $17K (bad towing gas mileage?)

Anyone using ether of these for towing a 22'+

Jerry Townsend posted 03-21-2002 07:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
I don't have either - but the Ford powerstroke diesel is a good engine - power to spare and relatively quiet. The 350 GM engine is a good engine - and would work, providing you were not towing in the mountains. You would want to make sure that the automatic tranny is heavy duty and has a cooler. ------ Jerry/Idaho
jimp posted 03-21-2002 07:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimp  Send Email to jimp     
Pete -

Not one of those exactly, but I'm towing my Revenge 22 with a 1995 Ford F-350 crewcab with Powerstroke diesel, auto transmission. Piece of cake.

Jim

dgp posted 03-21-2002 07:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
That 1990 Ford F250 with the diesel has very low miles at 23K, in fact the piston rings have probably not even seated yet. If you buy that rig, I'd load it hard for the next 10k miles just to make sure it gets broken-in properly.
Draftmanswife posted 03-21-2002 08:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Draftmanswife  Send Email to Draftmanswife     
I tow a 13', a 17' or a 24' with my 2001 Chevy Silverodo. 5.3 with 7000 towing capicity, I get about 16 miles to the gallon.
Florida doesn't really require 4 wheel drive, inless your in the Keys, where ramps are few and far between, so I just went w. 2 wheel. + the only difference from 2 to 4 was 700 pounds of towing capicity, and a major difference in fuel milage.
No matter which one I tow, I get the same milage. Go figure...I do drop alittle when pulling thru the mountains, but no more than 14. Anyway, good luck finding "the perfect truck"...
Regards,
Janis
peteinsf posted 03-21-2002 08:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
16 MPG more then I would have thought, I wonder if the van has the same motor/trans?

Is a 5.3 a 350? (I guess I could do the math)

hardensheetmetal posted 03-21-2002 09:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Just a note, the 1990 Ford is a 7.3 and was not the turbocharged powerstroke until 1995 (there was a turbo version before that, but not PS) I owned a 1994 F350 dual wheel flat bed, so I'm sure the gearing is different, plenty of torque, but it could not get out of its own way. I have since owned several trucks with the 7.3 PS and would never consider another non-turbo diesel.

Dan

Drisney posted 03-21-2002 10:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Drisney  Send Email to Drisney     
Pete,
Go with the Ford diesel ! You will not regret it. I just bought a 1990 Dodge diesel 2wd for the 22ft Revenge I just bought. It pulls it with no problem at all and the mileage will be a lot better than the gas....Also I am a little south of you ,down by Santa Cruz, but diesel is cheaper also.... I would like to see your boat/s sometime....Dave
Drisney posted 03-21-2002 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Drisney  Send Email to Drisney     
Also Pete,
$8,000 sounds good for a price ..23,000 miles is hardly broken in....I paid $6,000 for my 1990 Dodge with 180,000 and I thought that price was not bad....it is the LE250 with Cummings turbo diesel.
Dave
fireball posted 03-21-2002 10:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for fireball  Send Email to fireball     
That 2001 Silverado might get 16 in the driveway idling, but on the road it is a 10 mpg machine-somebody needs a math lesson. My dad gets (says)23 mpg with his Ford and Triton V-8, ha, ha.
As far as the 1990 or so diesel Ford, almost all were turbo with aftermarket ABS, and were like a dragster with or without a towing load-mine got 18 mpg with the 22' Outrage full of fuel and loaded with gear.
I just sold my 1990 4 dr. Centurion 7.3 diesel turbo w/154k miles for 10.2k and people are still calling-I think the truck you are looking at is a good buy-if you do not buy it clue me in as to its location. fb

caddis posted 03-21-2002 11:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for caddis  Send Email to caddis     
Fireball:

I just checked my math and my Yukon XL 4wd with the 5.3L gets 15-16 mpg on the highway (not towing). Janis' Silverado is only 2wd, and could likely get that with something behind it, especially on the flat land in Florida. Lighten up!

peteinsf:

The old 5.7L was the 350, I believe. The new series of engines are much more efficient, except for the 8.1L, which is a hog! Only 23k on that Ford? I'm sure someone will grab that pretty quick.

tflyer posted 03-22-2002 01:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for tflyer  Send Email to tflyer     
peteinsf: I make my living towing, big stuff, 80K lbs gross, I've been doing this for over 30 years. I also tow a 25 Whaler on the week-ends for fun! My tow vehicle is a '97 Ford 4x4 Power-stroke diesel w/ auto. I wouldn't even consider a gas rig of any kind....period!!! As mentioned earlier, avoid the Non-turboed diesels, they won't pull the hat off your head. With Fords, stay with the 1995 and up. The P/S will move your boat around with ease.....Tom
JFM posted 03-22-2002 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
You all must be hard on your Silverados. I have the new 5300 Votec, ZR71 with true posi.. I get 16mpg around town and 19mpg on the highway. I think GM's new Vortecs are much more efficient than the old 350 V8. Regards, Jay
peteinsf posted 03-22-2002 03:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
Thanks for all the input, I would love to get a PowerStroke but..

I bought the F250, I called some friends “in the country” that have various age Diesel F250/350s and they recommended I buy it due to is low mileage. One of these guy’s trucks have 300K miles on it. Two of them offered to buy it! so I am now in the low risk area of “try it, and if I don’t like, no problem”.

I am now done with buying! Out of money, Out of ideas!

You guys are the greatest, thanks for the assistance in all areas (boat(s), trailer(s) truck).

Pete

george nagy posted 03-22-2002 04:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
There is also a logic lesson somewhere here.

If a car or truck is at idle in the driveway then one must assume it is not moving. If it is not moving then therefore it is not traveling any distance. If it is not traveling any distance then it does in fact have NO gas mileage BECAUSE it hasn't moved!

I would say the 23k mile ford would be a safe bet and the price sounds fair to me for a truck as long as it is in good condition.

Landlocked posted 03-22-2002 04:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Landlocked  Send Email to Landlocked     
I have a 96 Full Size Bronco with a 351 V8. Very Strong Motor and 4x4. I get 16+ on the highway not towing and with overdrive on. I get about 12 - 13 towing the montauk with the overdrive turned off - depends on gas, amoco seems to do best for some reason.

I have checked my math numerous times.

Ll.

LKS posted 03-22-2002 07:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for LKS  Send Email to LKS     
Pete,
If you go with the low mileage Ford, thoroughly check the engine. I'd suggest even pressure testing the valves. Just "buried" an '89 Ford F-150, 32,000 original miles (5-speed manual, loaded with virtually every option)--obtained from my grandfather's estate, and he was religious on his oil changes (except that it sat unused during his last year). Low miles can result in problems with oil. After it ran for awhile, it started stalling at stops. We found that the problem was related to having only 2 lbs. of pressure in the #7 cylinder. After having the engine scoped, we learned that we were blessed with a broken cam, metal shavings, and a hole in the piston, most likely the result of gunked up oil. Low mileage doesn't always equal the best deal. Purchase with caution.
Good luck,
Lor
peteinsf posted 03-22-2002 07:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
Thanks, I am making a mechanic check a condition of the sale! I'll know if she is OK on tues or weds.
Draftmanswife posted 03-22-2002 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Draftmanswife  Send Email to Draftmanswife     
Damn boys...I was just giving pete my personal experience. Sorry you Ford boys have such a sour taste in your mouth for GM's! I like my Silveroldo it does what I need it to do, and if your "over-powering" with a big truck, that you don't need, it's just a waste of money! Yes, I chose a 2wd instead of a 4wd because:
a) Gas milage
b) Insurance
c) monthly payments
d) and ut most...because it handled the jobs I needed it to do. Like I said, there was only 700 lbs of towing capicity difference.
But when factoring all the above, a 2wd was in my best bet. Plus,...it's a pretty truck, and I love it. Best 2 all:)
Janis
Drisney posted 03-23-2002 12:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Drisney  Send Email to Drisney     
Pete,
Also, I have not clocked my truck with boat in tow but highway at reasonable speed (ie:60) I get 21 mpg..
Dave
Jim Bennett posted 03-23-2002 11:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jim Bennett  Send Email to Jim Bennett     
Another good GMC story. Last summer, mid July, towed my project 73 OR 21 from Largo, FL to Dublin,OH (~1100 mi.) with my 1990 GMC Safari van (6 cyl. and has over 120,000 mi). Kept in Drive 3 and at 55 mph to avoid overheating. Never did less than 15 mpg. Check my gas mileage on all cars at all fillups, whether towing or not. Van still going strong and gets 19-20 mpg highway when not towing. So there, Ford fans.
peteinsf posted 04-05-2002 02:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
Thanks everyone!

The truck runs great, getting 17.5+ MPG (hwy/city). And diesel is running 20 cents less! Going to get the hitch tomorrow!

Whaletosh posted 04-05-2002 04:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaletosh    
Gotta agree with Janis on this. Of the few dumb thing I have done (short of buying one of the trashy euro-style whalers :) ) was getting rid of my 2 wheel drive 1992 Silverado. With a 350 V8 and throttle body EFI I got 18 to 20 MPH. I arrived at that figure by dividing the elapsed miles on the tripometer by the no. gallons required to fill up. At least I think that's what Miles Per Gallon means; but then again I only got B's in advanced Calculus so my math skills might be less than adequate. Plus it never gave me any trouble. I sold with 104K on it.

Now the Ford that I had prior to the Chevy:

Two leaking rear seals
compete rebuild of the front driveline
leaking intake manifold gasket
cracked exhuast manifold
transmission shifter trouble
leaking main engine seal
plus other repairs

I sold it a 77K.
I am ever so glad I bought an ext. warranty. Plus, it never got more than 15 MPH.

180 posted 04-05-2002 05:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for 180  Send Email to 180     
I have a 1992 F250 diesel that has been to the moon and back (465000 miles). Runs like
a champ. $8000 is a great deal.
kevin

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