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Tom W Clark posted 03-28-2002 11:47 PM ET (US)   Profile for Tom W Clark   Send Email to Tom W Clark  
I think it is time we got all the old Boston Whaler catalogs organized and made available to any Whaler fanatic that wants to see them all. To this end I am planning on publishing a CD ROM, in collaboration with Dan Miller of Dragonfly Canoe Works http://www.dragonflycanoe.com/ which would contain all the Boston Whaler catalogs from the earliest catalog to at least 1990.

This project would essentially take up where the Whaler Database Project left off and would supplement the Reference Section's Specifications article.

Dan has done this for the old catalogs of both the Thompson Bros. Boat Manufacturing Co. and the Old Town Canoe Company. It is really slick. You pop the CD ROM in your computer and the use your internet browser to navigate through the catalogs.

The catalogs are reproduced from scans of the originals, you see the catalogs as they were originally published.

What I need from all of you is the base material, the catalogs themselves. I will have to borrow the catalogs (and options and price lists as well) in order to scan them. I would like to hear who has what years of catalogs and can contribute.

I am doing this project for fun but will be spending some of my own money (Dan Miller is not going to work for free) The CD ROM’s will be for sale (the Thompson CD costs $35) but contributors of catalog material may receive complimentary copies of the CD.

I have already received conditional approval from Boston Whaler’s attorneys to use their copyrighted material. (Boston Whaler will want to review the finished product before providing me with an agreement.)

Please let me know if you have an old catalog you would be willing to let me borrow or if you would be interested in buying the CD ROM when it is done.

marc monreal posted 03-29-2002 12:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for marc monreal  Send Email to marc monreal     
Tom...What a great idea! Can't waite to get one.
Best regards, Marc
Hobie1981 posted 03-29-2002 02:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hobie1981  Send Email to Hobie1981     
Tom: I have catalogs for years 1969 and 1971.
I will buy a CD-ROM.

Regards JWG

Keith Silliman posted 03-29-2002 05:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Keith Silliman    
Tom:

I don't have any of the reference material you need, but have the ability to scan materials. If you need help, let me know.

bdb posted 03-29-2002 06:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Tom,

I've got several old pieces of literature; they are undated. E-mail me instructions, and I'll get them to you.

DanT posted 03-29-2002 07:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for DanT  Send Email to DanT     
I have a 1975 catalog available.
JBCornwell posted 03-29-2002 08:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Super idea, Tom. I have a dozen or so catalogs and an options catalog. I will prepare an inventory and post it.

I do have a little mixed feelings on this. . . . I think it is a great idea, but I have put several hundreds into buying up BW literature.

Do you think your prpoject would devalue my collection?

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

WhalerAce posted 03-29-2002 08:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for WhalerAce  Send Email to WhalerAce     
Tom,

Super Idea!

I have a catolog from around 1983. I think that is when it is, but there is no copyright date on it. The Outrage "25" is listed as an Outrage 24 in this one.

Just send me your mailing address and it is on its way.


JB: You still have the original printings so I don't see why a scanned (or printed freshly from a scan) copy would devalue the original. After all, paperback books surely do not devalue the first editions.


Ace

Whaletosh posted 03-29-2002 08:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whaletosh    
I have 2000, 2001, 2002 catalogs if you want , but you probably have them.


I will commit to buying 2 copies, provided they run on a Mac. Sthciking with pure HTML should ensure that they are cross platform.

dozerwolf posted 03-29-2002 09:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for dozerwolf    
I have an owners manuel for a 1990 27Offshore I can contribute
Amy
DaveH posted 03-29-2002 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveH  Send Email to DaveH     
I have the 1998,99,00,01,02 Recreation catalogss as well as the 1997 CPD catalog with 1997 CPD Retail price list. Let me know when/if you want them.
sklein posted 03-29-2002 09:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for sklein  Send Email to sklein     
Great idea! I have the 1995 recreational and the 1994 CPD catalogs. Let me know if you need them.

Steve

gunnelgrabber posted 03-29-2002 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
bless you tom clark! will you post an address and let us know which items you need?..rather than us sending you all that we have..let us know.many thanks,...lm
daverdla posted 03-29-2002 10:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for daverdla  Send Email to daverdla     
Tom,
Great idea. I'll buy one.

Also, I just bought Adobe Acrobat 5 for generating PDF's. Might be worth considering for the catalogs. PDF's can be read by browsers. I'm using it for large format drawings. Works great!

Let me know if you'd like me to send you some sample pdf's.

Dave

triblet posted 03-29-2002 11:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
1. There are copyright issues here. BW owns
the copyright. We should ask.

2. PDF may well be the wrong format. PDFs of
pictures tend to be very large. I'd try GIFs
and JPGs. A little photoshop work to make the
text areas B&W (no grays, no very slight
color tints) would help them compress a lot.

3. There's an Adobe product called Acrobat
Capture for just this sort of thing. Anybody
have access to a copy?

4. Great idea.


Chuck

bboeri posted 03-29-2002 11:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for bboeri  Send Email to bboeri     
Tom,

Any thoughts on adding the manuals to the CD along with the catalogs? It would be great to have all of the information in one place. It seems like forum members are always asking for info from the manuals. I can contribute the 1988 Montauk manual.

Tom W Clark posted 03-29-2002 11:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Chuck,

If you had read my post you would know that I have already received conditional permission from Whaler's attorneys for the use of their copyrights.

Everyone,

Thank you for all your responses. I would like this thread to stand as the record of who has what, so keep posting. I will contact you when I am ready to start scanning. First I need to figure out who will be doing the scanning.

Keith, I'll contact you via email.

Dick posted 03-29-2002 01:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Tom

Great idea.

I have 1993 through 2002 recreational brochures and 1994 & 1999 CPD.

I also have tons of other literature, lots of wood diagrams (16 models), performance test sheets for many, illustrated parts manuals for most 1984 models & 2000 parts kit list (rubrail kits, seats etc)

Since the list for the above is so long I will e-mail it to you.

Dick

aubv posted 03-29-2002 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Tom,

Here is a list of items I can provide:

19' Cross Tackle single page flyer
3 different 1995 cat.
2 different 1996 cat.
BW wire color chart for DC and Special Circut
1995 17' Outrage II OM
1995 wood locating Diagram for 17OR II
Wm. J Mills part # sheets for 17OR II reversible seat cover and Console Cover
I have some other cats that have been mentioned by others.
Can also provide any info I get on 2001 23' OR II in two weeks.

I can also copy cd's if that is any help

Brian


OkieWhaler posted 03-29-2002 01:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for OkieWhaler  Send Email to OkieWhaler     
I can send you a copy of a BW 'flyer' for the first 16's (Nauset & Eastport, 1961), to see if you would need the original. Great Project! OK whaler
JBCornwell posted 03-29-2002 06:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Hi, Tom,

I have the following Catalogs:
'68, '73, '76, '84, Two mid-late '80s undated, '92, '95, two dated '96 that are different. One must be a '97, '99.

I have the following flyers or fold-outs: '93 and '95.

Late '80s Options Catalog.

1983 Owners Manual.

You are welcome to borrow any or all of them. I hope I can have a CD when they are done.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

Hoop posted 03-29-2002 07:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoop  Send Email to Hoop     
I have a Harpoon 5.2 (sailboat) catalog from 1978 or so. Or maybe you would call it a flyer ... Tom, are you going to include flyers?

Hoop

djahncke posted 03-29-2002 08:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for djahncke  Send Email to djahncke     
Great project!

I have the following catalogs that you are welcome to use: 1979, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001.

Jerry Townsend posted 03-29-2002 09:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
Tom - beautiful. I will buy a CD when they are ready - let me know.

I also have 8 catalogues - 2 (1998 and 1999) are dated, one is 1996 (when I bought my current boat), one is 1976 (when I bought the first one), and the others are somewhere inbetween.

You are welcome to any or all of these catalogues. Is there a hidden date or key to the BW catalogues? ----- Jerry/Idaho

Tom W Clark posted 03-29-2002 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Thank you all for your enthusiasm and your emails. I do want this thread to be the record of who has what so even if you are emailing me please include a post here as well. I think this is going to work out very well.

It had been my intention to include only those materials up to about 1990. This is what I have told Boston Whaler. If we want to include the more contemporary material that's fine with me but it's up to Whaler if they will allow it or not. What I am really interested in sniffing out are the old, and thus very rare catalogs.

I do want to include flyers, options and price lists. Manuals I had not thought of but it might be nice to include those as well. Again, Whaler will have the last word on this.

I do not see why it would hurt to include the Harpoon, Super Cat or inflatables catalogs but they are not my top priority either. We'll see how this all pans out.

JB, You bought your catalogs for your enjoyment not as a financial investment, right? You will still have them. But the fact of the matter is that this project will probably not effect the value of your catalogs at all. Have you watched what they go for on Ebay? I do not think this will change anything. Enjoy.

Drisney posted 03-29-2002 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Drisney  Send Email to Drisney     
Tom you are a genius !!! I was trying to figure out a way to access all the catalogs and this never occured to me. I have 1978 and 3 or four more, some don't seem to have dates on them but I could scan the covers and send. I also have original papers that came with the 1979 (built78) Revenge V-22 I just bought. I will get a list together tomorrow at work...Great Idea !!! Dave
hardensheetmetal posted 03-29-2002 11:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Tom, this is a great idea, and a huge undertaking on your part. I would love to do anything I can to help. My list of accumulated Whaler items are as follows:

Catalogs: Recreation boats-1980(black cover, red lettering, 22 Outage on cover) through present. Commercial Products-1988

Options catalogs: 1984, 1985, 1986 (I believe as whaler halways seemed to have something against putting a date on their catalogs).

Price books: 1980 through 1986 except 1984, 1992, Inflatable boats 1984.

Inflatables
Tan cover says "The incredible, rowable, stowable...BW inflatable" 9 through 13, fold out into a poster, circa 1984
Grey cover"The BW Inflatables" 9 through 13, plus type insert for 14 Sport, 1985.
Light grey/yellow cover, 9 through 14, 4 pages, color, 1986?

Brochures (less than a catalog, singe boat brochures, etc.)
"How the Whaler Got Its Name" Reprint by whaler of a 1978 Motorboat article, 6 pages.
"The Indomitable, unsinkable Boston Whalers" 6 pages that fols out into a poster of a 27WA and a 15 sport GLS, circa 1989.
"Anouncing BW's New 25' Workboat/Frontier 25, 4 pages.
"The Whaler 31", introductory 6 page fold-out, 1990?
"BW presents a look at what's new for 1991" midyear catalog, 16 pages, 16SL, Outrage 17, 21,23,& 27 WA, Offshore 27, and 31L.
"Introducing the BW Super Sports Limiteds", 2pages B&W, circa 1988.
"Introducing the BW Revenge Walk-Throughs", 2 pages, B&W, 1985.
"Intruducing the BW 18 Outrage", 2 pages, color, 1982.
"We just widened the gap between BW and every other fishing boat in its class", intruction of the 25 WA, 4 pages color, circa 1992.
"Introducing A BW that's all decked out for our 30th Anniversary", the Mischief 15, 2 pages color, circa 1987.
"Introducing the BW Super Sports", 2 pages B@W, 1985?
"The New Whaler 27 Full Cabin", 2 pgaes, B&W line drawing and specs, also, separate pages with specifications, and a typed sheet with standard featurs and pricing, 1983.
"The unvarnished truth about the new low maintenance Sport GLS from BW" 2 pages, B&W, 1989?
"Temptation, by BW" 8 pages, color, 1985?

Sailboats:
Harpoon 4.6, 4 pages color, 1981
Harpoon 5.2, 6 pages color, 1978/1981
Harpoon 6.2, 4 pages color, 1981?
"BW Harpoons", 4 pages fold out to a poster, 1984?
Supercat 17, 6 pages color, 198?
Supercat 20, 6 pages color, 198?
"Supercat", 12 pages 15 through 20, 198?

Whaler News 1984 through 1992

Numerous old advertisements from Yachting magazine dating back to early 1960's through the 80's.

Sorry about the dates, and sorry to use up so much room, I was a catalog junkie when I was a kid (and according to my wife, I probably still am).

Let me know if you need any of this.

Dan

Lil Whaler Lover posted 03-29-2002 11:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Lil Whaler Lover  Send Email to Lil Whaler Lover     
Tom; This is a great project and I can offer access to Boston Whaler catalogs from the original 1958 through 2002 with the exception of 3 or 4 years. I think I am missing 1 year in the 1960's, 1 in the 1970's and 1 in the 1980's. I also have the old price books for many years. Count me in on this project.
Matthew posted 03-29-2002 11:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Matthew  Send Email to Matthew     
Tom,
I have a late 70's to early 80's, owner manual that covers 9' squall to 21' revenge.
Matt
triblet posted 03-30-2002 12:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
I missed the bit about whaler's attorneys
down in the bottom of your post. As someone
who produces copyrighted material in both my
professional life (software) and my private
life (photography, which is why I own my
whaler), I'm very sensitive to the way most
folks play fast, loose, and illegal with
copyright.

I do think there's got to be a more compact
form than PDF files, and will be glad to help
with some experimentation on how to make them
small, but still readable.

I've got: 2002 Brochure, 1998 Brochure, 1996
or 1997 Brochure (no date but, copyright 1996) and a "REV B 5.93" center console
owners manual.


Chuck

sklein posted 03-30-2002 09:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for sklein  Send Email to sklein     
I also have a copy of the December 1994 Boating World magazine which has an article 'The Secret Life of a Boston Whaler'.
It highlights the US military use of Whalers in South America for training and drug enforcement. It's a great article. Obvously owned by the magazine, though. It would be additional copyright approvals.

Steve

Jerry Townsend posted 03-30-2002 11:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
Tom - I respectfully suggest you consider the full line of Whalers - instead of just up to 1990. I realize that there are some feelings in this area - but, all Whalers are, well - Whalers. Some must realize that some of the changes have been improvements - and some changes have been a step or two backwards. I would think that BW Corp would not have a problem - but it takes the question to them to find out. ----- Jerry/Idaho
JFM posted 03-30-2002 05:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Tom, I have a tri-fold then bi-fold of a non dated Whaler info sheet titled "The indomitable, unsinkable Boston Whalers" looks like from the mid to late "80,s in color. The back page covers all models available with mini pictures of all Sport series, including the SS limited, Mischief, Newport. Center console series Montauk to Outrage 25' cuddies. Sportfishing series, Revenge 22' to Whaler 31'.
I also have a non dated "Boston Whaler Options catalog from the mid 80's. It covers all options from the Sports, Newport, Striper, Montauk, Revenge, Outrage to Whaler 27'. This is 27 pages black and white. Also on the back it notes Boston Whaler a CML company.
We also need the "Man on the Mountain" to come through for us. He may have it all. I'll call him when he gets back from spring break.
Regards, Jay
mbking1 posted 03-30-2002 06:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for mbking1  Send Email to mbking1     
Count me in! I have a few older catalogs and would be glad to lend them for scanning. Please make the project complete and cover all years and models. Thanks. MArk
BabySitter posted 03-30-2002 07:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for BabySitter  Send Email to BabySitter     
Tom, I talked this week with a local former Whaler dealer about backstock of Whaler literature. If I strike gold I'll let you know and would love to help !
RSGAULT posted 03-30-2002 11:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for RSGAULT  Send Email to RSGAULT     
I have copies of the 1979, 1980 and 1994 brochures that you are welcome to borrow. I would be interested in a CD-ROM copy.
PMUCCIOLO posted 03-31-2002 01:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
One of my brothers has some older catalogues...from the early 90's I believe. If I can dig them up, I'm sure that he'd be willing to loan them out for this purpose.

Paul

Lil Whaler Lover posted 03-31-2002 08:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for Lil Whaler Lover  Send Email to Lil Whaler Lover     
Spent last evening watching my Maryland Terps earn their way to the NCAA championship game and checking my Whaler catalog collection.

Catalogs available: The first one used in 1958 for 1959 models, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1969,1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1987, 1988, 1989 (short form), 1990, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002.

Price list (book) available dated as follows: 1/1/73, 11/1/73, 4/15/74, 11/1/74, 11/1/74, 11/1/76, 1/22/77, 8/1/77, 1/1/78, 3/15/78, 10/1/79, 3/1/80, 5/1/81, 2/1/82, 9/1/82, 2/1/83, 9/1/83, 8/1/84, 2/1/85, 8/1/85, 2/1/86, 8/1/86 (Temptation), 8/1/87, 2/1/88 and 8/1/88. During the 1960's the prices were generally in the catalog, and after the 1989 models they were not easily available to the public.

Misc stuff: March 1963, the original Currituck supplement, Sept 1961 Popular Boating test of the new 16' 7" by Hank Wiend Bowman (for those who remember him), many years of individual sheets, Harpoon sheets, 1981 workboat, 1985 commercial, 1989 Mischief flyer, 1991 What's new brochure, and many years worth of options catalogs. Some of these are quite large but almost to identify by year.

The missing years 66-67 were college years, 70-71-72 married to total non boater (mistake), 82 ???, 85-86 just bought a boat, 89 and 91 don't know why.

My whole set is available to Tom for this CD-ROM project. If anyone can help me complete the set, please see my information and e-mail me availability, costs etc.

Thanks Dave

hardensheetmetal posted 03-31-2002 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Dave,

I bow to you, you are even more of a catolog junkie than myself-

Dan

ffk posted 03-31-2002 09:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for ffk  Send Email to ffk     
I have the '72 catalog available to be scanned, but it is not for sale. I want to retain it as part of the Outrage.
andygere posted 04-01-2002 12:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Tom,
I have a '79 catalog, '79 accessories, '79 owners manual and a few early-mid 90's catalogs including a '93 mid-year (shows renderings of the 21/23 WA models). You are welcome to use any/all of them for this really worthwhile project. Thanks for taking it on.

hauptjm posted 04-01-2002 01:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
I wish I could supply something, but unfortunately can not. However, I would buy one of the CDs in a heartbeat.
tabasco posted 04-01-2002 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Suggestion.................Charge two dollars more per CD and send that money to Jimh to pay for ugrading this site to include a search engine. After all if it wasn't for this site you would have a hard time reaching all these Whaler owners and their catalogues.
witness posted 04-01-2002 03:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for witness  Send Email to witness     
What a great idea! I want at least one!
Chris J posted 04-03-2002 11:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chris J  Send Email to Chris J     
No catalogs, but I have the original manual for my 1981 Revenge if you are interested. I'll by a CD when it is available.
Tom W Clark posted 04-09-2002 11:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I just wanted to thank Dave Wheeler (Lil Whaler Lover) for having such a superb and extensive collection of Whaler literature. He has by far the most extensive collection I am aware of.

Because of the extent of his collection I will be making primary use of his materials. To this end I have already received the first part of his collection on loan, 1958 to 1969 and I have to tell you, the stuff is great! You are all going to love to see these old catalogs.

Lots of very interesting bits of information are contained here such as the fact that the the very early Whalers were offered with varnished mahogany or Spanish cedar thwart seats. Now what the heck is Spanish cedar?

I’ve been going over these early catalogs which I have never laid eyes on before. Dave is VERY serious about his collection.

He does not have every catalog and I will certainly be relying on many of you to help fill in the blanks. Also, if any of you have any of the catalogs that Dave does not, he would certainly like to talk with you about purchasing them. Perhaps Dave could list what he does not have and we could help him out.

This is just a gold mine of information!

MilwaukeeWhaler posted 04-10-2002 12:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for MilwaukeeWhaler  Send Email to MilwaukeeWhaler     
Tom, great project. Put me down for at least one. '95 Montauk OM if needed. What other product in America spawns this kind of enthusiasm? I bet maybe some car clubs. We truly are fanatical about our Whalers. These catalog collections are impressive to say the least. Boy am I glad I bought a Whaler. MW
rsgwynn1 posted 04-10-2002 12:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for rsgwynn1  Send Email to rsgwynn1     
I'd love to have an owner's manual for my 83 Revenge 22. Anybody got one?
lhg posted 04-10-2002 05:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom - First of all, great project. Secondly, as you may know, I have a pretty good collection also, but not as good as Dave's. Although I do have three he doesn't, 1970, 1986 and 1991. JimH has already scanned the 1970 catalog, so maybe he can forward it to you. None of mine are for sale, however.

I also have assorted introductory flyers, ('78 20 Outrage, '83 18 Outrage, 1997 Standards, 1975 '21 CPD) and three CPD catalogs, all from the early 90's, and some price books from 86 & 89. I also have the exploded parts diagrams for the 18, 22 and 25 Outrages, and full Mills canvas installation sheets for the 18 & 25. Finally, I have many of Whaler's magazine ads, the most famous of which is the Coast Guard 22 Guardian, saying "People who can't chose when to go out, chose to go out in a Boston Whaler." And additionally, I have a few Whaler news issues.

dfmcintyre posted 04-10-2002 07:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Tom -

Any chance of posting somewhere, a list of what years you still need? I've got an assortment of catalogs, though not as extensive as the others.

Willing to Help - Don

Bigshot posted 04-11-2002 11:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I seeLil needs a 1966...I have it. I also have a price list, etc.

I also have 74,75,78,79,80,and most of the 80's and some 90's. I have some strange supplements on sailboats, inflateables, Frontiers and misc whaler news, price lists, options catalogs, manuals,etc.

Did'nt they use the same catalog 2 years in a row in the early 80's like 81 and 82?

Tom you KNOW I NEED one of these CD's. Let me know how I can help.

Are you gonna sell these on E-bay or anything? I hope not but not my business.

Eagleman posted 04-11-2002 12:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
Tom,
I have list prices sheet and accessary options for 1972 B/W product line. If you would like this information, let me know.
Great project that you're undertaking. It will be great to have access to such an extensive literature file.
sport15er posted 04-11-2002 03:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for sport15er  Send Email to sport15er     
Tom,
It seems alot of the earlier manuals are not dated; as mine also isn't. However, it is the manual that came with the boat (1987 Super Sport 15)
Title: Boston Whaler Owner's Manual for 9 foot - 17 foot Models
This number's on the back cover:
NLP 2.500 7-85 12448200
Looking forward to the finished product!
Einar posted 04-11-2002 05:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Einar  Send Email to Einar     
Tom
Spanish Cedar is a Central American hardwood closely tied to genuine mahogany. It is most likely called "cedar" because of its distinctive fragrance. It costs 30-40% less than genuine mahogany. It is commonly used in cigar humidors. It can be a bit squirrly to work with. Al
Tom W Clark posted 04-12-2002 01:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
[At the request of the author, this post has been edited--jimh.] Wow everybody, thanks for the responses. This is great!

dfmcintyre, I will post what is missing once I have figured it all out but that will take a while. As sport15er points out, not all the catalogs are dated though they almost all have a print date on them.

But a much more confusing aspect of all this is that in any given year there can be multiple catalogs supplemented by smaller flyers. Making matters worse is the fact that many of the photos (and they are good ones) are repeated over and over through the years in the 1960's,

Just because I have a catalog from each year will not necessarily mean that I have all the catalogs or flyers.

The materials I have received from Dave Wheeler are extensive but I have been informed by him that the sheer number of pages of material goes up exponentially in the later years as the Whaler line expands and the quality of their publications improves.

I at one time had all the catalogs from 1977 to the late 1980's and I remember in the 1970's they was one catalog for each year but then in 1980 they again dispense with any reference to model years. I also remember that last good catalog I had was from 1988 (which I think I sold to George Nagy) and it was over fifty pages long with lots of superb color photography. It's going to be some major scanning!

As an additional annoyance, many of the early catalogs fold out into a single poster sized sheet. Oy!

I am, however, finding absolute gems in all this stuff.

Einar, thanks for the clarification of the Spanish Cedar. It's all starting to make sense now. I have to concede an argument I've had with lhg about whether Whaler used anything other than Honduran mahogany for their thwart seats and consoles. While I have yet to read any reference to Philippine mahogany in any Whaler literature, it is clear now that they used whatever they wanted to and could get their hands on without getting bogged down in the particular species of the wood.

I do now suspect they used Lauan (perhaps in addition to Honduran mahogany) in the boats. In fact they probably used several types of wood through the years. I want to quote here from a 1963 catalog in which Dick Fisher reveals what kind of person he really was:

"Where it best suits the purpose, wood is used, and it is handsome varnished mahogany, except for the casting platform on the Sakkonet which is painted pine. For the benefit of the Dept. of Commerce busybodies, mahogany means any wood we elect so to name. Don't worry about this, the wood is good; you might vote more thoughtfully however."

I just love that editorial jab at the Feds in the last line. Dick Fisher was my kind of guy!

JBCornwell posted 04-12-2002 08:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Ahoy, Tom!

Ummmm. Err, tee minny martoonies you had when you posted above? :))

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

Bigshot posted 04-12-2002 10:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I'm waiting for my CD....and my darn fademeter. I'll swap you for foam samples. Tom e-mail me your address again, I have your foam.
whalertim posted 04-12-2002 10:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalertim  Send Email to whalertim     
Tom, I would likt to purchase one of the CD's when you start selling them,
Thanks,
Tim
lhg posted 04-12-2002 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom - I still owe you a copy of the BW Owners manual for the 13 & 16' boats, printed in 1970 I think, which on page 16 says the wood is "mostly" Philippine Mahogany.
PMUCCIOLO posted 04-13-2002 08:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
Tom,

Let me know how I can contribute.

Paul

Clark Roberts posted 04-13-2002 08:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Count me in! Great idea and thanks for your efforts, Tom and all! Happy Whalin'.. Clark.. SCN
dscew posted 04-13-2002 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
Excellent! I have a few older brochures. Please re-post what you need.
hauptjm posted 04-16-2002 03:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Tom and Larry,

If Whaler does refer to "Philippine Mahogany", which I no doubt they do, then according to several wood suppliers it is in fact Luan. Luan is a Shorea species, not Genuine Mahogany. Apparently, it is so close when sawn, it is commonly referred to as Philippine Mahogany.

Tom W Clark posted 04-17-2002 12:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
hauptjm.

You are correct that Lauan (also Luan) is not a true mahogany. Here is part of a post I made in another thread:

"Lauan (a.k.a. Luan, Philippine mahogany) is not mahogany at all. The term used to apply mostly to several of the Shorea species but have now come to be applied to several dozen different tropical hardwoods that can be got for cheap from rain forest countries. The term "Philippine Mahogany" was contrived long ago by the US Forest Service in an effort to promote plywood from the Philippines. It has no relation to any of the true Mahoganies apart from a resemblance.

Lauan is the stuff they make that cheapo 1/4” plywood and paneling out of. It is considered a medium to low grade of wood. Mahogany, be it African or Honduran (there are actually several distinct trees that fall under these labels) is a superior material."

lhg posted 04-17-2002 03:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom - On another thread we have been discussing the Phillipine Mahogany side bracketing cooler cleats for Outrages, that BW used through 1989. I have these in both of my boats.

They seem to be a fairly decent grade of wood, and mine look terrific stained and varnished 10 coats. Would these have been made of solid Luan?

I always think of Luan as the splintery surface veneer on the cheap hollow core doors. Luan is also on the back side of my plywood teak veneered floor sump covers. This does not seem to be the same wood, nor the same as what I built my Nauset from back in 1971, nor the wood used on the Sport models. As I have said, the Whaler Owner's manual says all this wood is "Philippine Mahogany".

I guess I've never seen solid Luan before, and that's why I'm still confused about all of this.

Tom W Clark posted 04-25-2002 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Larry,

Thanks for sending me the BW Manual from 1970. You are correct about the specific mention of Philippine mahogany in this manual. I concede the point. For the record it says:

"The woodwork on Boston Whalers is mostly Philippine mahogany or mahogany plywood..."

This is the first time I have seen it in any Whaler literature. I have gone through all of Dave Wheeler’s catalogs that he has sent me thus far (1958 to 1969) as I said above, it is now apparent that Whaler used several types of wood.

The terms luan (or lauan), meranti and Philippine mahogany are mostly interchangeable when talking about plywood. They do not refer to a specific tree. There is no such thing as a “Philippine mahogany” tree.

In the past these terms have generally referred to certain of the Shorea species of trees but now are far more inclusive of whatever similar trees can be harvested from tropical rain forests.

The term “luan” is not used to describe solid lumber which is why you haven’t seen solid luan for sale.

Yes, the cheap plywood you are thinking of is luan as is the core of most marine grade Honduras Mahogany and Teak plywoods. It's all in the grade of the particular piece of wood.

It may well be that your cooler cleats are made of Philippine mahogany but this may mean they are made from one of the Shorea species or any of perhaps a hundred different species of tropical hardwood, such as “Spanish Cedar”.

hauptjm posted 05-01-2002 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Tom,

Just curious how the project was coming. Keep us updated now and then. If you can't tell, I think we're excited about the CD.

Jim

hauptjm posted 05-14-2002 02:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Just keeping it fresh!
Tom W Clark posted 05-14-2002 09:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Jim,

The CD ROM project is in an idle state at this time. Dan Miller, the CD's producer is in the middle of moving his home and business between states. He and I have yet to work out the particulars on the graphic files. Once he has settled in we will proceed.

I am expecting the next load of catalogs from Dave Wheeler any day now. I will be looking for the missing catalogs after I review what Dave has.

Highwater posted 06-11-2002 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
Tom, Thanks for taking on this project. I'd like to purchase a CD. Can I use it on a Macintosh as well as on a PC?
tabasco posted 06-12-2002 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
I'm in just email me when it's ready and we can arrange payment.
Allard posted 06-22-2002 04:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for Allard  Send Email to Allard     
Tom, just found this site, and although I've had three whalers (2-13' and now a Montauk), I do not have materials on any of them to contribute. I can only ask to be added to your list for a CD when they're available. If I can help in some other way, please ask.
Tom W Clark posted 06-22-2002 10:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
The latest news is that Dan Miller of Dragonfly Canoe Works has begun the long and arduous process of scanning the catalogs. It will take a while to complete this and then of course we have to try out some Beta versions and submit a copy to Boston Whaler for their OK.

I am hoping the CD ROM will be available by Thanksgiving but it may end up being the beginning of 2003 before it is finally for sale. There's just a ton of work to do to get this thing together.


And, yes it will work on both Mac and PC, no problem.

timbo posted 06-23-2002 11:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for timbo  Send Email to timbo     
I'm sure you have seen enough of these replys, i bought all my boats used and dont have any good reference although i would sure like to purchase a cd from you. I think they are in such popular demand maybe you could start to set up an ordering list of some kind. I am willing to help although at the age of 15 I'm not sure what kind of help I can provide. I would love to buy a cd and when ever they are available please contact.
rubadub555 posted 06-24-2002 07:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for rubadub555  Send Email to rubadub555     
Add me to the cd list please.
reelescape1 posted 06-24-2002 07:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for reelescape1  Send Email to reelescape1     
I would like a CD also. The only catalog I have is early 90's 18,22,25 Outrages. If you need it, mail me.
skred posted 06-24-2002 09:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for skred  Send Email to skred     
Regarding the final format: I've spent most of my life in graphic arts and typography, and I believe the most universally accepted and most easily read (on Mac or PC) file type for these catalog cd's is PDF. The file sizes are not as large as you might think - even pictures. You sacrifice image quality with other formats, too. I realize there's a lot of literature, but how terrible would it be if you had to produce a 2-CD set? Just a thought.....

Skred

Abalonehunter posted 07-21-2002 05:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Abalonehunter  Send Email to Abalonehunter     
A set for me too! Past owner of 1987 22' Revenge Walkthru, originally with OMC Sea Drive, re-powered with Armstrong Bracket and Yamaha 225 SS and current owner of 1975 Montauk in need of work. 2nd that motion for pdf, smaller than you think.

abhunter

David Pendleton posted 07-21-2002 07:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I have a 1969 catalog around here somewhere. If you need it, please let me know.

David

James posted 07-21-2002 11:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for James  Send Email to James     
Tom:

Please add me to your list for a Boston Whaler Catalog CD-ROM. Thank you.

James.

Tom W Clark posted 07-22-2002 11:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
The project progresses. Dan Miller has finished scanning the first set of catalogs. This gets us up to 1969.

I have most everything from 1973 upwards but still need the 1970, 1971 and 1972 catalogs.

rsgwynn1 posted 07-22-2002 08:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for rsgwynn1  Send Email to rsgwynn1     
I want one too. When'll it be ready? I have one from 83 or so if you need it.
Tom W Clark posted 07-23-2002 12:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
OK, I've reviewed the above postings and it appears 1970, 1971, and 1972 may be available.

lhg has a 1970 catalog. I will email him and ask t borrow it.

Hobie1981 has the 1971 but no email address is listed. Anybody know it?

ffk claims to have the 1972. I will email him too.

Anybody else have any of these three years? I would also like to find someone who wants to sell these catalogs so Dave Wheeler can round out his superb collection.

mtbadfish posted 07-23-2002 01:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for mtbadfish  Send Email to mtbadfish     
Tom,
I don't know if you need any of these but here's a list of what I have available for scanning:

Flyer - Boston Whaler Cuddy Cabin Outrages, no date, inside shows 3 configurations of the 25', 4 pages,specs on back.

Boston Whaler Options, red cover w/4 pictures, no date, 27 pages, late 80's?.

Price and Specs for: '78, '82, '85, '86, '87.

Whaler News June and November 1980.

I have a number of catalogs but you appear to have them already.

Badfish

smirkless posted 07-23-2002 05:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for smirkless  Send Email to smirkless     
Tom,
I have just about got the detailed drawings for the Reverseable Sakonet Pilot Seat done. The PDF package includes 33 or more 8.5"x11" dimensioned drawings with 3-D views. If you would be interrested in this, please e-mail me.
Smirk
Whaler Proud posted 07-23-2002 05:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler Proud  Send Email to Whaler Proud     
Put me down for a CD also please.
Louie Kokinis posted 07-24-2002 04:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
ditto
reelescape1 posted 07-24-2002 07:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for reelescape1  Send Email to reelescape1     
Sign me up also.....reelescape1@yahoo.com
whalerdude posted 07-24-2002 07:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerdude  Send Email to whalerdude     
Please put me on the list too.

Let us know which catalogs you still need as of today. I'll check my collection.

JWK posted 07-24-2002 10:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for JWK  Send Email to JWK     
I have a Boston Whaler Outrage Owner's Information manual dated 6-71 if it's of any use! Sign me up for a CD.
scarlson posted 07-28-2002 10:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for scarlson    
Maybe a listing of what has been amassed to date would be helpful. I've got a three inch thick fold of various BW cats, price lists etc. Trying to read through the above left me feeling like I had a three martini lunch followed by an Irish seven course banquet (six pack and bag of chips) trying to compare what you had to what I have.
Ferdinando posted 07-29-2002 01:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ferdinando  Send Email to Ferdinando     
Tom:

Put me up for a CD also, Fvoltaggio@hotmail.com

Thks

Fred

tabasco posted 07-29-2002 07:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
SUGGESTION: Im sure the Whaler factory should have copies of what ever you are missing.It would be nice to include the wood placement plans for all the models.This would be very helpful to owners. I myself would also love it if you included the Whaler super cats made in the 80's

As I said before, I would like a CD also.
Ray

dwaldron posted 07-29-2002 08:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for dwaldron  Send Email to dwaldron     
I have a 1968-1970 catalog, in ok condition. There are some great pictures, if you need it let me know.
whaletail posted 07-29-2002 01:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for whaletail  Send Email to whaletail     
Great idea! What I can supp[y is 3 engineering diagrams for the Menemsha.
The first, dated 3/7/68, is drawing #15-74, Weather Cloth Installation Instructions.
Second, #15-91, Navy Top Set Pt. # 12-647 Installation Diagram, dated 2/4/69 (I've seen a few "Shas" that could have used this one).
And third, #15-92, Mooring Cover Installation Diagram, dated 1/7/69.
These are not brochure sized. 2 are 17"x22" and the first is 11"x17".
Tom, if you could use these, I'll send em to you, but I definately want em back. Let me know.

Now this is what the forum is all about!

whalersman posted 07-29-2002 02:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
I would like the CD also.
Thanks,
Joe
Tom W Clark posted 11-06-2002 05:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Here's an update:

Dan Miller has scanned most all of the material up to 1990 and is getting ready to send out Beta versions for testing.

We have decided that we will go ahead and include the catalogs from 1991 to 2002 pending approval from Whaler.

I was able to fill in the blanks for years 1970 to 1972. It turns out that the catalogs from 1968 through 1971 all use the same layout and vary only by their covers and pricing and a few minor photo changes.

We are still missing any pricing information for model year 1972. Does anyone have a price list dated in the fall of 1971 or early 1972?

We also are missing any full catalogs from model year 1966 and 1967. All we have is a single page flyer from 1966 and nothing at all from 1967. Does anybody have anything from 1966 or 1967?

There is a slight chance this CD will ready by Christmas. I’ll keep you posted.

OutrageMan posted 11-06-2002 05:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
Just one thought Tom...

Would these CD's be usable by us Linux users? If they are in .pdf the files themselves would be fine, but getting them on the computer might be a trick. If you wanted, dpeneding on the size of the whole deal, we could put them on my server for download, that way the media iself would not be an issue.

Brian

tbirdsey posted 11-06-2002 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
Tom, I have a 72 price list; can I scan it and email to you??
alkar posted 11-06-2002 11:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Thanks for your hard work Tom. I think I have two Commercial catalogs - one from the late 80s and one from the mid 90s. Are you including all the commercial stuff? I'm grateful for your efforts on our behalf. Please include me on the list of people who want to buy a CD set.
triblet posted 11-07-2002 12:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
It's possible to build a CD that will
automatically open on Mac, Linux, Windows,
and maybe some more. Basically you
organize the data so there's a first level
HTML page from which you can navigate to
other HTML pages and PDF files. Then the
trick becomes: how to get that first HTML
page opened when the CD is inserted.

The problem should NOT be viewed as how to
get the CD installed on the user's disk.
Most folk will use this occasionally, and
will want to run straight off the CD. But
if folks want to run it from hard disk, it
just has to be copied lock, stock, and
directory structure to the hard drive, and
then open that first level HTML page.


Chuck

Tom W Clark posted 11-07-2002 01:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Tom Birdsey,

Thank you for the offer but I think I have a source of this price list here in WA. This source also has the 1967 catalog as well. The 1972 price list I'm going to borrow is dated March 1, 1972. What is the date on your price list?

alkar,

I might be interested in the commercial catalogs you have. We have some already but not those years I do not think. Let me check and I will contact you via email.

Brian & Chuck,

I have no idea if this thing is going to work for you Linux users. That is Dan's department. I can ask him but the fact is, this CD is what it is. I am not sure it represents any kind of cutting edge computer cleverness, just a whole lot of old Whaler catalogs.

Tom W Clark posted 11-07-2002 01:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I've misstated myself above. We have the 1966 catalog but not a 1967 catalog.

Does anybody have a 1967 catalog?

squallman posted 12-03-2002 11:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for squallman  Send Email to squallman     
Please include me to purchase a cd.Thanks
Yogi Bear posted 12-03-2002 12:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yogi Bear  Send Email to Yogi Bear     
I'd like to purchase a CD also,Thanks
quickfarms posted 12-03-2002 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for quickfarms  Send Email to quickfarms     
I will also take a copy of the cd.

I think that you should also include copies of the imbeded wood diagrams and exterior wood as well as the owners manuals.

I have a photocopy of the owners manual for my 1979.

11 footer posted 12-03-2002 02:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for 11 footer  Send Email to 11 footer     
When it is done I would also like to buy a copy.

I got a 1974 catalog, that should be comeing in the mail any day know I got it from ebay, need a copy of it?

11

JaySul posted 12-03-2002 03:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for JaySul  Send Email to JaySul     
I would like to purchase a cd when they are made available.
Jay
Tom W Clark posted 12-03-2002 08:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Owner's Manuals, embedded wood diagrams and plans for wood parts will have to wait for Volume 2 along with copies of Classic Whaler News and other miscellaneous literature. I'll be happy if Dan can just get all that we have so far onto a disc. The stuff just keeps coming out of the woodwork!

In spite of the generous contributions from numerous FORUM participants of an incredible amount of material, we still do not have anything from 1967. Surely somebody out there has a 1967 catalog. It most likely would have a print date on the back cover of something in the range of 10/66 - 2/67.

Unfortunately, we will not have the CD ready by Christmas but I hope to have it ready for sale in January, or February at the latest.

Tom W Clark posted 01-03-2003 02:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Here's the latest update and a bit of a conundrum:

We have exceeded the capacity of a 700 MB CD. Theoretically it would be possible to exclude the year 2002 catalog and then it fits, but I still have some extra CPD catalogs and price lists to add and I know there will be additional material that shows up in the future. It would be nice if there was some extra room for growth.

So the question is: what do we do? Should we:

Start scrapping some material of less interest? (like the CPD stuff?)

Draw the line at an earlier year, say 1999? (I'm not sure that would even suffice)

Issue a two CD set at twice the price? (this would allow for lots of additional material in the future)

What are your thoughts?

whalersman posted 01-03-2003 02:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Tom,

I am all for the 2 CD set... As you mention, then there is room for growth..

A person could by both CD's now, then purchase an upgrade to # 2 CD when you add more items. And then possibly just purchase a #3 CD, #4 CD and so forth as the information becomes available.

Joe

Chap posted 01-03-2003 02:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
Hello,
I am not sure what is currently on the CD but it may make sense to stay with the boat, so to speak.
Originally, you set out to create the CD to include catalogs.
Are only catalogs on the CD now?
If not, maybe you could remove the non-catalog items and put them on a separate CD entitled "Bonus Materials" or somthing. This CD would have all the other wonderful tidbits of info we all so enjoy, like spec sheets, wood diagrams, options etc. This may also be a better place for the CPD catalogs which are kind of like the ultimate option nowadays.
I'm not sure how to address the issue if only the catalogs themselves filled the first CD.

Looks like a two CD box set to me at this point and most I think would be willing to go for the two pack with upgrade capabilities.

Thanks for all the hard work and I look forward to the finished product.
Chap

DaveH posted 01-03-2003 02:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveH  Send Email to DaveH     
Tom:
My suggestion is for a complete 1st CD volume, year by year, leaving off the 2002 catalog. This CD will not change as the volumes increase. Similar to when you buy the Beatles Abbey Road, you know exactly which songs are on it.

The 2nd CD volume should be for later catalogs (2002, 2003, etc), CPD items, wood diagrams and other items. This 2nd volume may have continually added items until it is completed also. That way the future purchasers will know that a completed CD means it will not change and all information can be indexed properly.

Jerry Townsend posted 01-03-2003 02:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
Tom - I suggest retaining the CPD material as some forum members have those boats.

I also suggest going with the two disks - if that is what is required. I would think the price is relatively immaterial to virtually everyone.

I again, thank you and everyone else participating in this project. ---- Jerry/Idaho

Dick posted 01-03-2003 03:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Tom

I vote for a two CD pack. The more info the better. How you lay it out is your call.

Dick

Monnas Rock posted 01-03-2003 03:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Monnas Rock  Send Email to Monnas Rock     
Increase it to two CD's. Lets have ALL the currently available information. A second CD also leaves lots of room for any culls you may have made in the interest of space.
alkar posted 01-03-2003 04:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
I'm in favor of a two CD set as well. I'd vote for dividing the material according to year, as opposed to the Recreational/CPD division - even if the first CD only takes us through 1998. Having said that, I'm going to be tickled with the CDs no matter how you choose to organize the material. Thanks for your hard work Tom.
george nagy posted 01-03-2003 04:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
Tom Are you going to make re-recordable cd's? I'm thinking probably not, so adding to the second cd will not be an option anyway.

What if you cut off the first cd to around the time brunswick took over, sort of a post clasic vs. classic set. That would give buyers the option of getting either cd or both.

In my opinion the newer later 90's and early 2000 catalogs are very similar and very easily obtainable from whaler dealers. The cd really serves best to supply those earlier years that many of us have not been around to collect or just have never thought to do so until now.

I personaly don't need any reebok or brunswick information but would really like to have brochures from the 1980's back. I'm guessing a large number of potential customers here have the same situation.

It is still up to you but I feel a 1950's- 1990 or so cd would be great! and then a future second (optional) cd would be fine as well.

JustinAndersen posted 01-03-2003 05:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for JustinAndersen  Send Email to JustinAndersen     
Tom -
I have yet to say "count me in" on a copy of your CD(s) so please take this as my formal request.

I must echo the sentiments of "Jerry Townsend" who states that not only do CPD boats warrant interest (I think my next one's gonna be from the other side), it's better to go with 2CDs (or whatever it takes). Most buyers are going to be pretty inelastic to the final price. It's better to be too detailed than start truncating and thus add subjectivity to your amazing project.

JustinAndersen posted 01-03-2003 05:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for JustinAndersen  Send Email to JustinAndersen     
Tom -
I also forgot to mention for some time my appreciation for your input on Taylor Clark's project. If that ever happens to me (yikes) I know where to go. Just kidding. I'm a long drive away.
tabasco posted 01-03-2003 05:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Just put it on one DVD and you will have loads of free space to add whatever you want.
A DVD will hold the equivalent of 10 CD's

Just my opinion

Ray

boxers posted 01-03-2003 06:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for boxers  Send Email to boxers     
CDs are a cheap medium .05 cents each. Recording time will add to the cost but the CD cost itself is minimal. Maybe you should divide the material up around 1998-99. So the pre-Brunswick stuff is all together. Then take orders. If there arn't that many CDs being ordered for post-Brunswick days then you just won't produce them until there is sufficient demand. That way people could order what CD they want and the second CD will grow in time. Just my 02 cents.
Sammy posted 01-03-2003 06:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sammy  Send Email to Sammy     
Tom,

I think Dick's suggestion is on the money - go with 2 CDs and since you're the one who is directly working with all this material you're the one in the best position to determine how it should be organized.

If someone doesn't like how it's been done, tell them to go find the info somewhere else :).

Really looking forward to this. Thank You! sammy

triblet posted 01-03-2003 06:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
In spite of what DaveH said, there will be
more old material come out of the woodwork
by and by. And of course the "new" CD will
grow even faster as years pass. Do two CDs.
Draw the line so that 2/3 of the megabytes
goes on the "old" CD. I suspect that's going
to draw the line at about 1985-90. Pick a
logical division (Brunswick take over would
be one).


Chuck

DJS posted 01-04-2003 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for DJS  Send Email to DJS     
Tom,

I think you should include all the material that is available. If it takes two CDs so be it. Some people at this time will think that they don't need some of this material, but later they will wish they had it as their interests change. The only thing I don't quite understand is how the second CD would be updated.

I have great confidence in your abilities and know that whatever you do it will be well done. It' your project, so do it the way you feel most comfortable with.

I'm going to buy a copy of whatever you do.

David

elaelap posted 01-04-2003 12:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Whichever way you decide to go, I want one/two, please.

Thanks very much for all your work on this project, and thanks also to everyone who contributed.

Tony

DaveH posted 01-04-2003 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveH  Send Email to DaveH     
Chuck (triblet):
That's OK, I'm easy. I'm just happy to have anything and it seems most everyone else is too.
Tom W Clark posted 01-04-2003 01:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
OK, it seems the consensus is to put out two CD's. Given that this is the case it would seem logical to go back to my original stopping point and put everything up to 1990 on the first disc and everything from 1991 to present on the second.

The basic organization of the material is chronological. Thus a 1981 full line catalog will be with a 1981 Harpoon catalog, 1981 supplemental flyers, 1981 price list, options brochure, ect.

There will some alternative indices that organize the material by particular model, like the Montauk, or all the Harpoon sail boats, ect. The only problem with this is that these supplemental indices will not span across the two CD's. So there will be some CPD material on the first CD and there will be yet more on the second CD.

I also want to note that contrary to what I have been saying all along, there IS going to be the inclusion of the Harpoon and Inflatable materials. They do not amount to much in terms of total pages and they were with materials that were loaned to me so I just thought: Why not?

I had not originally planned on including CPD stuff when I conceived this project, until I actually got my hands on a CPD catalog many months ago, but they are very interesting and of obvious value. I was not really serious about not including them.

Now if we have the second disc including all the material from 1991 to present, That will leave room for lots of material into the future, and may free up space on the first disc for additional material from before 1991. Yes, I am sure there will be more early literature cropping up as soon as we start selling these things.

I can think of no way to guarantee that any one disc is all inclusive of material within it’s time range. I strongly suspect that newer editions will be put out. I'm not talking about updating actual discs, but rather the updating the material that is currently being sold. It's like a book that is published. Frequently, newer, updated editions are put out. If you want an updated edition you go to the book store and buy one. I can talk with Dan about the figuring a way to sell updated editions at a discounted price as software is often sold. Some people will always want the latest and greatest but will not want to keep ponying up the full boat price each time.

But before we get into updates and all that, we need to sell some of what we have. The expense of this project had grown quite a bit and the cost of two discs is going to push it up even more. While I am sure the price elasticity of demand is rather inflexible among the regular members of the Forum, I need to do more than just sell a few dozen copies to you guys. With that in mind, I am trying to keep the price as low as possible.

lae posted 01-04-2003 02:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for lae  Send Email to lae     
Tom,
I think that there are many on the forum, like me, who have not weighed in on this simply because we assumed that you knew that we were onboard and appreciated your efforts, and would purchase. If you need commitments and it is time to put some real numbers or some money to this put your hand out or send me an e-mail and I will send a check by return mail.
Thanks,
Larry
Tom W Clark posted 01-06-2003 12:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Larry,

I'll not be taking any money until I have something to give in return, but thank you for the offer.

It is also not necessary to post to this thread just to say you want a set of CD's. When the time comes I will let you all know how to order the set.

I do very much appreciate all your comments about what you would like to have on the CD and how it should be arranged.

And, of course, I appreciate all the contributions of loaned material for this project. We are getting very near the "last call" for material. If anybody has anything I've been looking for like material from 1967 or price lists from the 1990's, ect. please let me know as soon as possible. Any material I get after this week will not make it on the first edition.

Bigshot posted 01-06-2003 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I like the pre-91 and post-91 CD idea. To cram does not make sense because if you filled one cd from 1958-2001...how long until you fill the 2nd? When you have the CD avail...let me know.
peteinsf posted 01-09-2003 05:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
Tom,

I just wanted to cast my CPD vote... (even if it's an extra cost disk)

...a bit off topic, do you know what CPD catalog the first Challenger appeared?

Pete

Capt_Tidy posted 01-09-2003 08:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Capt_Tidy  Send Email to Capt_Tidy     
I have an 1981 outrage 25 manual. How do you want these... jpg or other scan? Please advise.
Tom W Clark posted 01-09-2003 10:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Pete,

Don't worry, we are including the CPD stuff.

I'm not sure when the Challenger first appeared but I do know that the Challenger is not in the 1985 CPD catalog but is in the 1987 CPD catalog. I have not seen a 1986 CPD catalog. If anybody has one I'd love to see it.

Ian,

Thank you for the offer but I am not including Owner's Manuals at this time. The focus of this is just the sales brochures, catalogs and retail price lists. I'm not saying I will not include this material in the future maybe along with other material like all the Classic Whaler News news letters and perhaps drawings, ect., but for now I'm drawing the line at catalogs. Otherwise I fear we will never get this thing published.

hauptjm posted 01-15-2003 02:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Tom, I hate to see this thread drop from view, so I'm bringing it back up (as if that makes it come to market any faster). Actually, you first proposed this concept on my birthday (3/28) last year. March 28th is coming up quick. I hope we(you) can get it out by then. It will make the best present I plan on giving to myself. It's amazing that it is almost one year since you proposed this project. I can't wait.
Tom W Clark posted 01-16-2003 12:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Jim,

I started this thread on March 28, 2002 but the idea goes back quite a bit further than that. Before I posting anything here in the Forum about it I had to see if Dan Miller would be interested to doing the work, negotiate a contract with him and contact Boston Whaler and receive their conditional approval. Once all those things were in place I started this thread and asked for contributions of loaned material.

I must say that the cooperation of many here on the FORUM has been outstanding and I really do appreciate it. Yes, it has been almost a year and it HAS been a lot more work than I had ever imagined. I do hope you all think the finished product is a good one, I sure do.

We are very close to being done. The last minute contributions are being scanning this week and a Beta version will go to Boston Whaler for their review next week. I am unclear as to how long they will take to review the material and give us the go-ahead on it, but once that is done we start burning CD's. I certainly hope that by your birthday you will have one in hand.

firebrand posted 01-20-2003 06:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for firebrand  Send Email to firebrand     
Tom--

Even with the temperature here in New Hampshire at -5F I take my hat off to you!

You have done (or will very soon) what many of us Whaler Geeks (term of endearment) have wanted for soooo long! And we are grateful!

I know many of us have spent big dollars for specific pieces of BW literature, myself included, and we are anxiously waiting to send in our money for your project CDs.

Count me in as a satisfied customer and set one aside for me!

Best,

Brant S. Fagan

SSCH posted 01-20-2003 07:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for SSCH  Send Email to SSCH     
Tom

I'm in as a buyer. I thought I had a few interesting catalogs until I read down through the posts. I do have a couple of late 70's and 80's catalogs I'd be glad to lend. I can't think how to identify the ones that aren't dated.

How are you going to get started? You'll be buried in copy if we all just start sending stuff to you.

Steve

Tom W Clark posted 01-20-2003 11:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Brant,

Thanks for the kind words. I'll save one for you.

You know, one of the nice things about these CD's is that it will actually be useful to those of you who collect the Whaler catalogs. Some had been concerned that the CD's will make their collections less valuable, but I don't think so. As good as the CD's are, they are not as good as the real thing. By having the CD's you can now identify what year your catalogs are if they don't have a date on them, as many Whaler catalogs didn't.

Steve,

Thanks for the offer, but we’re done with collecting material (unless you have something rare that we don't have like a catalog from 1967 or a missing price list). I'd list what all is on the CD's but it would take me several hours and would fill several screens!

Sam C posted 01-21-2003 09:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sam C  Send Email to Sam C     
Please add me to the contact list when they are for sale.

Great job.

Sam

tflyer posted 01-21-2003 12:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for tflyer  Send Email to tflyer     
TWC: I'm in complete agreement with Peteinsf re. the commercial catalogs. There seems to be gaining intrest in the commercial line of Whalers. I've had 2 or 3 e-mails in the last 24 hrs re. the Frontier 25 line-up. That said I do have two original sales brochure's for the Frontier, one for the early model, 1980-81, in ok shape. I also have a good condition Frontier XC brochure, I'm guessing 1984-85? Holler if ya need them....Tom
tflyer posted 01-21-2003 12:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for tflyer  Send Email to tflyer     
TWC: I'm in complete agreement with Peteinsf re. the commercial catalogs. There seems to be gaining intrest in the commercial line of Whalers. I've had 2 or 3 e-mails in the last 24 hrs re. the Frontier 25 line-up. That said I do have two original sales brochure's for the Frontier, one for the early model, 1980-81, in ok shape. I also have a good condition Frontier XC brochure, I'm guessing 1984-85? Holler if ya need them....Tom
Tom W Clark posted 01-21-2003 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Tom,

We are done collecting material for this edition. We are focusing on polishing the final product and getting it past Boston Whaler.

As I said above, we ARE including the CPD/CGP material. We also have three Frontier flyers from 1981, 1983 and 1984 respectively. I would presume this includes what you have.

Tom W Clark posted 02-08-2003 03:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Here's a little update:

We are getting dangerously close to offering the CDs for sale. The material is all scanned and I will be receiving what could be the final test copies today or Monday.

I heard back from Boston Whaler and they are quite pleased with the CDs. I got an email from Chuck Bennett who has an old version I sent two weeks ago and he was very enthusiastic about the content and the navigability of the browser interface.

Interestingly, he told me that Whaler does not have an extensive archive of all the old catalogs, just miscellaneous and well warn copies from here and there. He went on to say: The CD's have more brochures than I have ever seen!

Chuck may end up benefiting from the CDs more than anybody else as it may help him field what I imagine to be endless phone and email questions about old Whalers.

JBCornwell posted 02-08-2003 03:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Hi, Tom.

If I am not on your list, please add me.

Red sky at night. . .
JB

JoeH posted 02-08-2003 05:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeH  Send Email to JoeH     
Tom, how will these be made available? If there is still time please put me down for a copy, thank you, Joe
waterwal posted 02-08-2003 05:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for waterwal  Send Email to waterwal     
Tom- Please add me to this list of buyers as well. Thanks,
wally
whaler131 posted 02-08-2003 05:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for whaler131  Send Email to whaler131     
Please put me on your list. thanks Joe
11 footer posted 02-08-2003 05:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for 11 footer  Send Email to 11 footer     
Tom,
If I'm not on the list I would like to buy a one also.

11

Tom W Clark posted 02-08-2003 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Whoa! I am not maintaining any list other than this thread.

When the time comes I will post ordering information here and (more significantly) in a new thread that will give my mailing address. I will be accepting check or money order as well as payments through PayPal and perhaps C2IT (as long there is no conflict between those two institutions)

I am also working on a simple web page that will have all this information as well as description of what is on the two CDs. Watch this space for further details.

JBCornwell posted 02-08-2003 06:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Sounds sensible to me, Tom. I will watch for the release.

Red sky at night. . .
JB

Louie Kokinis posted 02-08-2003 07:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
Tom, count me in please.

OUTRAGEOUS22 posted 02-08-2003 07:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for OUTRAGEOUS22    
Tom- Please add me to this list of buyers as well. Thanks,
John OS
onlyawhaler posted 02-09-2003 10:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
Please count me in on this
Onlyawhaler
quickfarms posted 02-10-2003 10:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for quickfarms  Send Email to quickfarms     
Is there an estimated time for completion of this project so I can get my copy.
Tom W Clark posted 02-12-2003 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
quickfarms,

We are very near the end of the editing phase. Today I'm staying home trying to proof all the indices and finalize my CD-ROM web page. We will begin to ship CDs by the end of the month.

I am going to start taking pre-paid orders for the CDs in a day or two. The CDs will be shipped out in the order the money arrives. They will go via US Postal Service First Class Mail which takes no more than four days from Seattle to most cities in the continental US.

It has been almost one year since I started this project. My first correspondence with Dan Miller at Dragonfly Canoe Works http://dragonflycanoe.com/ was on February 15 of last year. This project has been a LOT of work.

There are 2918 full size images (5836 images if you include the thumbnail views) and 176 HTML files. All told, there is 846 MB of data on two CDs. This will only grow in the future if any additional material turns up.

I really can’t say enough good things about working with Dan Miller. This will be the fifth Catalog Collection on CD-ROM he has produced. He personally scanned virtually every catalog and price list page that appears on these CDs. He conceived the browser interface and made it work. He has responded to every single question, comment and nit pick with a prompt and thoughtful reply. The guy is just unflappable. The success of this catalog collection is mostly the result of Dan’s very hard work.

elaelap posted 02-12-2003 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Super, Tom...many thanks. Post the price and I'll immediately send along a check.

Tony

whaler22 posted 02-12-2003 09:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for whaler22  Send Email to whaler22     
Hey Tom,
After seaching previous posts, I can't find where I requested a copy of this cd. Please add me to your "I wanna cd" list.
Thanks
David
dscew posted 02-12-2003 10:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
me too, me too
quattro20vt posted 02-13-2003 03:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for quattro20vt  Send Email to quattro20vt     
i'm in for a set!
Samars posted 02-13-2003 07:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Samars  Send Email to Samars     

Sounds like something I would like for my ever-growing file of Boston Whaler material..

I'll take a set

Tom W Clark posted 02-13-2003 01:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I am now taking prepaid orders. I encourage you all to order now so I can pay Dan to burn the first batch of CDs. These CDs will ship by the end of the month.

The details:

I have set the price of the Boston Whaler Catalog Collection of CD-ROM at $59. The shipping is included in this price for residents of the US and Canada. If you would like to order a set, send a check or money order for $59.00 to:

Tom W. Clark
7015 Alonzo Avenue NW
Seattle, WA 98117-5323

If you would like to use a credit card you may do so by using PayPal http://www.paypal.com (you can also use PayPal to send funds from a bank account.)

I have set up a simple web page that describes the contents of the Boston Whaler Catalog Collection: http://www.tomwclark.com/whalercdrom.htm
There is a PayPal "Buy Now" button there to simplify the ordering process for those who wish to use PayPal.

Bigshot posted 02-13-2003 01:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I'm in and paid.....thanks Tom.

Will you be notifying when shipped or an estimated date of shipment?

Good Job my friend!

whalersman posted 02-13-2003 01:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
I'm in there Tom....

Thanks,
Joe

OutrageMan posted 02-13-2003 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
Just sent my PayPal!

Thanks Tom

Tom W Clark posted 02-13-2003 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Thanks Nick, Joe and Brian.

Nick,

You're number one on the list. If only a dozen or so of you guys order the CDs in the next couple weeks I will email each of you and let you know when they go in the mail. Otherwise, I will probably just post an announcement here that says they have been mailed.

Actaully, I will start a new thread with the information from my post above as this thread is getting a bit long.

timbaho posted 02-13-2003 04:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for timbaho  Send Email to timbaho     
Tom,Just paid you for mine.Thanks for your and Dan's perseverence and finally delivering such a comprehensive and useful library of info.I wish y'all a well deserved and great success!

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