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jimithing posted 04-04-2002 09:25 AM ET (US)   Profile for jimithing   Send Email to jimithing  
We have whaler owners here many of whom own one or more of these great boats. I currently own 2 a 1980 15 super sport and a brand-new-to-me 1980 13 sport.I have more fun smile-for-smile in these boats than I do in my 1975 22 mako, but then again they're completely different boats.

I am just wondering how many of you have more money sunk into their whaler(s) than they wished they did or is money not an issue. I know I have some cake in mine but everytime I worry about whether or not I have spent too much on them...I take one for a ride and I quickly lose those thoughts.....I think the enjoyment factor is clearly why anyone owns a classic whaler, not the cost, although it does help to budget to pay for gas.....

Antlers10Point posted 04-04-2002 10:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for Antlers10Point  Send Email to Antlers10Point     
Ahoy, jimithing
I have about $6000. invested in my '63 Chesapeake Bay Whaler 13'Sport. Boat and trailer cost $2200., motor $3000., accesories and fees add up to total.
I just finished wood restoration and interior clean-up. Looks great and is offered for sale on the proper forum or you may inquire via my e-mail adress.
Safe boating...Ed.
Chap posted 04-04-2002 10:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
Next to buying that bridge in Brooklyn, a boat is probably one of the worst financial investments one could make. Except maybe for BS.
They don't call them holes in the water for nothing.
However, one of the best boats to invest in, is a Whaler.
I agree, boats have a high smile to dollar ratio, Whalers even higher. When we bought the Whaler, after looking at many to replace a Shamrock, I didn't tell my 9 year old son about it. We put it in the water and hid it behind a boathouse we use. I said lets go get on the boat. We walked around the corner and he asked "Whose Whaler is this?" I said, "Yours" and he almost broke his cheekbones with his smile. Then he said "Can I drive?"
He undid the Highway Man's Hitch and we were off. That's when I almost broke my cheekbones.
JBCornwell posted 04-04-2002 10:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Howdy, Jimithing.

I learned early in my addiction to Whalers not to keep track of what I spend. It is bad for my morale.

It is more pleasant to keep track of what the fleet is worth. Currently my 2 Whaler fleet ('80 Montauk, '82 OR-18) is probably worth around $20K to $25K.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

stinkyB posted 04-04-2002 10:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for stinkyB  Send Email to stinkyB     
Can you put a $ on time?
hauptjm posted 04-04-2002 10:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
To steal from a current commercial:

Buying your 18ft. Whaler - $12,000

Maintaining your Whaler - $3,000/year

Watching your two-year olds eyes light up when you let him sit in your lap and drive - Priceless

Chris J posted 04-04-2002 10:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chris J  Send Email to Chris J     
My Squall (1969?) has had maybe $200 put in it in its lifetime.

I have about $1000 in my (1967?) 13'.

I have about $3K in my 1981 Revenge.

These figures do not include the cost of the boats themselves, of course. My father bought the Squall and the 13' new, for about $500 and $1200, respectively. The Revenge cost me $10K in 1999. (I probably overpaid a bit for the Revenge.)

For what it's worth, I strongly believe you get more bang for the buck in smaller boats. Of these three Whalers the 13' has by far the most hours on it and has provided the most enjoyment.

jimithing posted 04-04-2002 10:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
I think you can put a money worth on time. Professionally I bill my time, so why not do it for the time you spend working on your BW.

jimithing posted 04-04-2002 10:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
Chris #

I agree with that last statement...the smaller boats do really keep their value...and are used more than larger ones. Probably cause you can beach them and they dont need as much effort to gas up and go.

And Hauptjm

I have a 3 year old who loves to do the same....nothing compares to it.

Chris posted 04-04-2002 11:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chris  Send Email to Chris do you compare the 15 with the 13...which is your favorite? I presently have a 13 thinking of moving up to a 15.... Your thoughts are appreciated
where2 posted 04-04-2002 12:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
In '96 when I bought my garage kept 1985 15' Sport for $6300 (trailer included), it was my first big purchase after graduating from college. Since then, I've put maybe another $2000 into it between the depth finder, OMC PTT kit, new trailer wheels, bimini, two covers, and other misc stuff. Relatively speaking, even if I included the $2000 I have invested in the floating lift, and the $3000 I expect to spend installing a 6'x25' floating dock behind the house, it's cheap for the ability to slip it into the water and go boating any time I choose. That's the Priceless part!
RWM posted 04-04-2002 12:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for RWM  Send Email to RWM     
I bought a '79 Montauk with a 90 Merc 6 years ago for $5000. It was kind of a rat but I had fun with it for 5 years with only a water pump for cost of upkeep. Corrosion got to the engine last year. With the knowlege gained from this forum I restored the boat with all new wiring, controls, a new Evinrude 70 4-stroke etc. I bought a new trailer too. All told I laid out nearly $8000 for the rebuild plus many hours which I consider a hobby. Part of the $8000 was a few tools I needed. Was it a good investment, heck no but then boats never are. An old salt told me before I bought my first boat I should put on a raincoat, get into the shower and turn it on full blast cold and start stuffing hundred dollar bills down the drain. If I was having a good time then go by a boat:)
phatwhaler posted 04-04-2002 02:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     


There are worse habits!!

phatwhaler out.

Alan Hiccock posted 04-04-2002 04:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
A whole bunch BUT they hold thier value better then most boats & are easier to sell.
JFM posted 04-04-2002 07:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
After 3 Whalers, I have -$5250.00 in my 1972 13' Sport with a new Yammy 40HP 4 stroke and a new EZ Loader trailer. If Bigshot buys my 1990 Evenrude for $1000.00, I'll have -$6250.00 in it.
Please don't ask me about the other brands of boats I have owned.
Regards, Jay
MikeG posted 04-04-2002 08:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for MikeG  Send Email to MikeG     
Here is my damage:

I bought the 88 Montauk with an 88hp SPL in summer of 1999 for $10.5. Near "mint" condition.

I have done normal maitenance, impellor, bottom paint, tune-ups, spark plugs, battery, tongue jack, bow stop rollers, trailer lights (many times), winch, bearing buddies, Atwood bilge pump, replaced console floor, etc...

Purchased a rear bench seat from Whaler ($$), Humminbird 3D FF, Ritchie compass, Garmin GPS 12, replace all cushions from Dave's, SS prop, Solar batter charger, Mills console cover, sunbrella boat cover, rewired console, replaced stern light post, boarding ladder, 1998 Ford Explorer, etc...

Currently have the boat in the shop for:

TF NFB Steering $200 parts $350+ labor
Starter $190 parts $68 labor
Install TnT $450 parts $350+/- labor
Battery $75
Thermostats $75 parts $150 labor
Tune-up $40 parts $238 labor
New LoadRite trailer w/ brakes $1500 (including swap of old trailer)

Still considering:
Garmin GPS 162 chartplotter $360
New VHF $150
Replace fuses w/ breakers $30 + time

I am afraid to add it all up. I should have a bulletproof machine at the end (I hope). I'm probably paying too much and I would do more work myself but I keep having bad experiences with frozen bolts, wrong tools, no time. Any weekend that it is nice enough to work on the boat, I want to be using the boat!

Aside from the 13 year old cushions and the console floor, the part of the boat/motor/trailer package that is BW has needed very little. It is everything attached to the Whaler that is always needing work. If I just had a BW hull floating on a mooring there would be no maitenance costs!

As with everyone else, after a good day on the water it all seems worth it somehow. The Montauk follows me everywhere in the summer (NJ shore, Delaware River, Chesapeake Bay, local lakes, Maine, etc...).


bc posted 04-04-2002 08:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for bc    
1981 15' striper w/ 1984 70hp johnson - d/o trailer.



I can't comment on the 15' vs 13', but I'm sure impressed with the ride and handling of the 15.

jimithing posted 04-04-2002 08:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     

The 15 and 13 I think are two cmpletely different designs. The 15 is comparable to a much larger v hull and handles heavy water with ease....the 13 is a little smaller without the handling characteristics of the 15 and needs less horsepoer since it is not a vhull.Also the 13 will beat you to death in the slightest chop where the 15 just glides thru it. 2 great boats and although nearly the same dimensions are completely different rides. That's my take on the difference....others will chime in I am sure.

mbking1 posted 04-04-2002 08:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for mbking1  Send Email to mbking1     
Ditto Alan.. I have owned several Whalers over the years and have yet to have any trouble selling when it is time to go on to the next one. For me, the only way to find the truly best whaler for me is to try them all first. I think it is a terminal case of Whaleritis. Mark
InHerNet posted 04-04-2002 09:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for InHerNet  Send Email to InHerNet     
2000 23'-Outrage with electronics, custom cover, trailer, plus all of the extras. 78,000.00 (new)
rsgwynn1 posted 04-04-2002 11:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for rsgwynn1  Send Email to rsgwynn1     
Trust me--it's cheaper in the long run than golf.
mudpuppy posted 04-05-2002 01:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for mudpuppy  Send Email to mudpuppy     
Let's face it--boating is not always a matter of life, death, or money.

It's much more important than that.

Ron Brassord posted 04-05-2002 07:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ron Brassord  Send Email to Ron Brassord     
We recently replaced our old 13 with a i5, and can validate there is a world of difference. The 13 was a firecracker with a 40 on it and the kids loved it. But for us older folks it was a butt buster. The 15 has much better room to move around in, and the ride is quite soft in comparison. Each has it's place I guess, and both are winners.
Ron B
jimithing posted 04-05-2002 08:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     

Amen to that. My father in law is an avid golfer and can't understand my fascination with boats and for me its just the opposites.

We both are coming around though...when I play golf with him he pays and when we are out on the water I pick up the gas. Seems fair....and i will still probably come out ahead

Bosmass posted 04-05-2002 10:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bosmass  Send Email to Bosmass     
Last season I purchased a Classic 13.6 footer and spent two months refurbishing the wood, the hull, the trailer and the motor. My 5 year-old daughter named it the "blue boat" and she and I spent most of the summer on the Charles River, here in Boston and on Newfound Lake in New Hampshire. This was our first boat and in the beginning I tracked my expenses but it became enjoyably evident that the smile on her face was worth every penny. Paraphrasing "hauptjm" priceless.
TightPenny posted 04-05-2002 12:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for TightPenny  Send Email to TightPenny     
Ron, if you feel that way, you just have to move up to a Montauk. My Sport 15' was a butt buster in comparison.
caddis posted 04-05-2002 12:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for caddis  Send Email to caddis     
Holy cow, don't get me started. I have been thinking about this since this thread was started. Bought my project Revenge two years ago. Since then:

Re-glassed transom
Hydraulic steering
All dings, worn spots, etc. in gel coat repaired- big job
New full set of Mills canvas
New helm seats
Re-sealed cabin
All wood stripped and seven coats of varnish being applied now
New power- if Yamaha can get off the shnide!
New trailer

Can't wait to get her in the water. Still have to get all this damn snow off the ground first. We need some of that February weather around here!

Money is not the issue (Repeat mantra). And since I gave up golf, I have so much more money to spend! Now if I can only give up flying...

David Ratusnik posted 04-05-2002 01:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Here goes 22' OR with Trailer $14,000
Electrical on 225 700
Trim tabs plus install 700
TOTAL 15,400

Water sport stuff, gas + oil who knows??

We've had a ball- great hobby David

Alan Hiccock posted 04-05-2002 01:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
Aint it the truth though.
The thing with many other boats, even some that are pretty good theyre HARD to sell when you want to step up, or get out of boating for a while.
If you have a nice Whaler it's almost like money in the bank, more so then most other boats anyway.
Im looking to break even on my 15 Sport/Yammie 70 rig if I go for a Montuak later this year, bought the boat on a winter deal & bet I can sell it for what Ive got into it after using it for couple hundred hours, hope so anyways. I know that other outboards are good too but Yamaha's a strong selling point, people really go for these motors. Alan
mbking1 posted 04-05-2002 05:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for mbking1  Send Email to mbking1     

You will do fine. You are just coming into the high selling season up there. I am in Florida and today took out the Montauk. Am home now and very relaxed. You will love a Montauk. Go for it!! Mark

Alan Hiccock posted 04-05-2002 06:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
I have to find the right 1 though.
I was originally shopping around for a Montuak but my criteria was no engine { I'd rig it myself} or late model, low hour Yamaha or Suzuki 2 stroke.
I stumbled across a sweet, mint, used only few seasons '88 15 sport owned by a well healed gent in his 60's, just rigged with a new 70 yamaha being brokered close to my home.
I figured if he takes my offer , I'll go for it, { winter deal} & he did. If I found her too small or too uncomfy, then Id sell her. Before taking the boat out, I posted about seating improvement ideas for this 15 sport, but so far Ive put 25 hrs. on it and have no complaints .
I will miss the improved range that a Montauk will offer but I want the right boat, super mint with a Yamaha/Suzuki 2 stroke.
Although when the stripers are biting 8 out, or maybe some inshore tuna action that I cant get to then I'll dump the ole girl, & get a bigger Whaler, Outrages arent out of the question either.
See your making me think about stepping up allready.
mbking1 posted 04-05-2002 06:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for mbking1  Send Email to mbking1     

I have been through the entire Whaler line, one hull at a time up to 25 foot. I came back to the Montauk. It is just the right size, weight, performance, and holder of value for me. I recently repowered it from 100hp Merc 2 stroke to 60 hp Merc bigfoot 4 stroke. Sounds underpowered right? Wrong, I was so surprised. Full credit for this engine choice goes to Clark Roberts of the Spruce Creek Navy. It is dead quiet, sips gas, etc. I love it! And again, I have been thru a lot of engines and hulls. I have a 27 gal underseat tank which gives me huge range etc. Went out today for 4 hours, doubt I burnt more than 5 gallons all day. What can I say?`When you find the right combination for you, you will know it and treasure it. Mark

Alan Hiccock posted 04-05-2002 07:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
Mark, Ive had 2 guys @ my yard say to me " hey your going the wrong way" in reference to this boat being smaller then my previous 2 { but heck it's my first Whaler }. I know the feeling about finding the right boat, an affordable, quality boat that isnt going to suck all your $ out your wallet & @ the same time gets you on the fish safely & back..
I think the Montuak is that boat for me as well . Quite a testimonial though having owned most Whalers then going with the Montauk. I think what your trying to tell me is if I really like the 15 sport, then I'll LOVE the Montuak. & I bet your right.
Amazing on the 60 HP 4 stroke doin the job as well. With all that gas , gear maybe a fishing buddy she still gets you safely on a plane , pretty torquey little Merc.

mbking1 posted 04-05-2002 10:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for mbking1  Send Email to mbking1     

You have broken my code. This is Whaler #9 for me and it's a keeper. The boys at my Marina roll their eyes and say "suuuure it is", but I will prove them wrong. HAH. Mark

mbking1 posted 04-05-2002 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for mbking1  Send Email to mbking1     

I am NOT referring to the new "Montauk". I have seen them at the factory and they seem alright, but I have strong feelings that they should not call them Montauk.

Alan Hiccock posted 04-06-2002 08:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
I agree.
Its a completly different boat, bigger , wider, DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION.
You know that solid thud you hear when you bang the gunnel of a classic whaler, be willing to bet the new Montauk doesnt have that.
Should have a different name.
jimithing posted 04-07-2002 08:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
Thought we could add more to this one.....back on top.
Dick posted 04-07-2002 08:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
I know I have more money invested in my Montauk than any sane man would spend on a 17' boat. I had wanted a Montauk since the first one I saw in the early 80s and it took me untill 1999 to be in a position to justify the purchase. It was a long wait but well worth it.
As I was working for the dealer I was able to take the wife out on several different boats. Ran a 14 Dauntless then a 17' Sea Ray and took her out on the Montauk last. As soon as she boarded the Montauk she said "This is our boat, it's the only one I feel safe on".
Who was I to argue with that logic. Of course I hadn't told her that the Montauk was my choice from the start, just took her out on a couple less stable boats first.

Tsuriki BW posted 04-07-2002 10:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Dick.......What do you mean by the Dauntless 14 being "less stable"???????? I resent that! LOL

I have added a lot to my Dauntless 14;

2 (one stern, one foot control bow mount) 44lb thrust Minn Kota electric motors.

Extra battery, battery switch, hour meter, on board battery charger.

Richie compass, electric horn, removable T top, 2 dual rod Scotty electric downriggers, various rod holders, bumpers, anchor and line.

Lots of safety equipment.

Believe it or not, even a 4kw radar.....

The only thing I have more money in is my fishing equipment. One of our bedrooms is my "fishing room", and it's already too small.


Tsuriki BW posted 04-07-2002 11:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Dick.......What do you mean by the Dauntless 14 being "less stable"???????? I resent that! LOL

I have added a lot to my Dauntless 14;

2 (one stern, one foot control bow mount) 44lb thrust Minn Kota electric motors.

Extra battery, battery switch, hour meter, on board battery charger.

Richie compass, electric horn, removable T top, 2 dual rod Scotty electric downriggers, various rod holders, bumpers, anchor and line.

Lots of safety equipment.

Believe it or not, even a 4kw radar.....

The only thing I have more money in is my fishing equipment. One of our bedrooms is my "fishing room", and it's already too small.


SuburbanBoy posted 04-07-2002 11:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for SuburbanBoy  Send Email to SuburbanBoy     
What do you have [invested] in your Whaler(s)?

If I told you, my wife would have to kill me. This is top secret, classified stuff. Are you guys nuts?


Tsuriki BW posted 04-08-2002 03:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Sub....that's what passwords are for...LOL

But.....I bet she has a pretty good idea. They are a lot smater than we give them credit for, and also understanding of our "habits".


Dick posted 04-08-2002 09:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Welcome back.
Nothing against the Dauntless, great ride and handling but I think when at rest the Montauk is more stable when walking around. It my be my imagination because I wanted one so bad.

Stop by Yarrow Bay and say hello one of these days.


Whaler Proud posted 04-08-2002 06:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler Proud  Send Email to Whaler Proud     
What do I have invested in my Whaler?

Many hours enjoying it with my Dad when it was his.

A new motor ($6800.00, new seats (built myself, $250.00), re-wire the trailer, ($50.00).

Knowing I'll be able to pass it on to my son makes anything I spend worth it.

Bob K posted 04-09-2002 05:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bob K  Send Email to Bob K     
Hole-in-the-water owners can never think in terms of money. Several buds and me started talking in terms of "boat units", ($100). It's surprising how nothing seems to cost less than a boat unit!
My 13' with 85 28hp Merc investment, a bad purchase but a good boat, is around $4,000.
The 82 Montauk with 82 90hp Evinrude is around $6,000, just acquired last month.
Both run great but the 13' has to go, too much chop in the lower Chesapeake.
Salty posted 04-09-2002 08:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Salty  Send Email to Salty     
I am on my third Whaler. The previous two were a 15' Sport and a 16 SL. I now have a 17' SS Ltd. and love it. On the first two, I kept a running tab in my mind as to what I had in each of them and when I started getting to a point where I figured I was going beyond what they were worth I rationalized that it's just sort of a "usage fee" that you don't mind paying to have a Whaler. But, I was pleasantly surprised when I sold each of them. In both instances they sold for a little more than what I had in them and both to the first person that came along. Having a Yamaha on the back helps too. They're easier to sell and they hold their value more than any other. There is no other boat like them anywhere.
PMUCCIOLO posted 04-10-2002 05:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
I have no idea how much I've spent on my Whaler(s). I don't care. It's like the credit card commercial. Skipping all the pretense, it would read like this: "...time (and money) spent on your Boston Whaler? PRICELESS!"


Bigshot posted 04-10-2002 10:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Owning 12 Whalers I have no idea how much money invested or profit vs loss, etc. I do know I have my entire life invested in Whalers....or at least on them.

Back in August 9th, 1969 I was born....Labor day weekend was spent in my Dad's 61 Nauset with a 40 Johnson and a crib with Umbrella. No sunscreen back then and doctors never had that 6 month rule, etc. Weather was nice....we boated.

alvispollard posted 04-12-2002 04:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for alvispollard  Send Email to alvispollard     
'90 Montauk (2 yrs. old) $10000
'97 Mariner 100 7000
Mills top/full enclosure 1500
'02 Yamaha 8hp 1400
Scotty downrigger,28 gal.tank,
radio/antenna, gps, fishfinder,
1100 gph bilge pump, 14 gal.
kodiak baitwell/pump, etc. 1200
'00 galvanized trailer 900
Total $22000

Considering I could get 50% back from sale, $11000 for 10 years of shear enjoyment and priceless time with my boy and 3 girls who are now in college and grown, best $ my wife and I have spent!

What other boat can you trailer with a car, go out safely 15-20 miles in 4' waves, get 6 mpg, with a range of over 200 miles with 8 hp kicker/3 gal. tank and 28 gal. tank, carry 4 fishermen and gear (1200 #) and cost less than $40/day trolling for walleye or king mackeral?



Wille posted 04-13-2002 06:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Wille  Send Email to Wille     
1966 13' Classic $250.00 for hull and trailer.
Purchased used 1988 Johnson 25 (i know)$300.00
Reglassing, painting and varnishing myself.
More fun than I can put a $ value on!

Also have a 23' Wellcraft Fisherman with 200hp Blackmax Merc. Awesome boat but, always ching-ching. Great for the chop and rough stuff.

I smile everytime I see the Whaler. Simple, easy, uncomplicated, fun little boat. Little hassle and loads of fun.

In addition, this site has been PRICELESS for information, advice, parts and tall-tales. Thanks gang!

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