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Peter Zwiefelhofer posted 04-06-2002 09:38 AM ET (US)   Profile for Peter Zwiefelhofer   Send Email to Peter Zwiefelhofer  
I'm looking for suggestions on how to rail mount downriggers on a 17 montauk. Thanks
Dick posted 04-06-2002 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Peter

I am e-mailing you pictures of my installation.

Dick

Guts posted 04-06-2002 10:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for Guts  Send Email to Guts     
Dick,
I would like to see pictures also,if not to much truble.I have down rigers for my montauk but have never mounted them.they are scotty downriggers, may I ask what kind are yours.thanks
Guts
Dick posted 04-06-2002 10:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Guts

I am using Scotty as well.
Pictures are on the way.

Dick

MilwaukeeWhaler posted 04-06-2002 12:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for MilwaukeeWhaler  Send Email to MilwaukeeWhaler     
me too, please
Jerry Townsend posted 04-06-2002 03:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
Peter - In my case with my 17' OR, I was reluctant to drill a bunch of holes in the gunwales. Consequently, I built contoured downrigger mount brackets out of 1/4" thick stainless steel about 5 3/4 inches wide. These are contoured, resting on top of the gunwale and are clamped to the vertical part of the gunwale with only two bolt-heads protruding into the boat interior. As such, there is very little stress on the gunwale. All areas of the clamp adjacent to the glass are lined with about 1/8" rubber (cut from an inner tube) to protect the gelcoat. The result - a solid downrigger mount that is easily adjustable or removed and without hole one in the boat. Let me know if you want more information. ----- Jerry/Idaho
hughmcmillan posted 04-06-2002 06:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for hughmcmillan  Send Email to hughmcmillan     
Me too please!
Thanks, in advance...

Hugh

Peter Zwiefelhofer posted 04-06-2002 07:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter Zwiefelhofer  Send Email to Peter Zwiefelhofer     
I like Dick's set-up. I was thinking of mounting some Scotty rail mounts a bit farther aft to avoid problems when changing course, but of course its more stable at the vertical post where Dick mounted his. Is it worth the extra $ to go for the Scotty Strong Arms versus the less expensive depthmasters? Anyone know of a mail order or inernet site that discounts this stuff. Milwaukee stores seem to sell at full list price! Thanks.
boatsru posted 04-06-2002 07:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatsru  Send Email to boatsru     
You may want to give Al Howarth a call at Twin Cities Marine in two Rivers, Wisconsin. He has a 25'Outrage where he customized downriggers on the boat. He went from gun'l to gun'l with a large piece of teak. You probably could do the same thing; either from gun'l to gun'l , or from side rail to side rail. It's worth a call.
Dick posted 04-06-2002 07:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Peter

Cabelas carries Scotty and their prices are usually pretty good.
www.cabelas.com

There is nothing wrong with the Depthmaster. Probably would strain with a 10# ball though.

Dick

MilwaukeeWhaler posted 04-06-2002 08:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for MilwaukeeWhaler  Send Email to MilwaukeeWhaler     
Al has got my boat as we speak. When I pick it up I can take some pictures of his set up on the Outrage. Peter, where do you do most of your boating?
alvispollard posted 04-06-2002 08:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for alvispollard  Send Email to alvispollard     
Scotty downrigers with rail mounting work well on my montauk. A 12" board (1"X6") puts the strain and weight on the gunwale cutout. I have mine beside the pilot seat so the person driving can wind up the downrigger upon release. Frees up other fisherman to fight fish. No problem with motor since the arm will extend to 4'. This a great setup for deep water trolling. Get the Scotty. 2' retrieve per turn. You will love it.
Peter Zwiefelhofer posted 04-07-2002 01:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter Zwiefelhofer  Send Email to Peter Zwiefelhofer     
I boat out of Bailey's Harbor on the lake side of Door county.
lhg posted 04-17-2002 03:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
"THE" ultimate method for mounting downriggers on a smaller Whaler with side rails, including the Dauntless series, is a little known product made in Chicago by Helm Products. Their stuff is carried by West Marine, and I'm sure these can be ordered, if they are not stocked. It is a 4" x 4" horizontal plate, with a vertical plate also, which has two thumb clamps which clamp over the 7/8" diameter side rails, straddling a vertical stantion. This stantion is what supports the plate and keeps it from rotating, and also carries the weight of the downrigger and the weight itself. Any brand of downrigger ( I prefer the lightweight Big John's, the inventor of the downrigger) bolts directly to this plate, in pre-drilled holes. The whole assembly, including the downrigger mounted rod holders, can be taken off the boat in seconds by the two thumb screws, and it also rotates to a "boom up" position when running. It's great. One moment you're rigged for serious fishing, the next, the boat is totally clean for pleasure boating with the family.

I used these for years on my Nauset, and they work great, with absolutley no screws into the Whaler hull. I would never use one of those "Great Lakes invented" cross transom board contraptions. They are terrible on a Whaler, and totally not necessary. The Big John downriggers, with dual rod holders for running two lines on one weight, can be seen in Cetacea Page 11, on my 25 Outrage.

lhg posted 04-17-2002 04:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I should add that the side rail stantions need to have 2 point supports to the hull, like the 16's and 17's do. A side rail sitting on top of the gunwale, like the new Montauk, would not be sufficiently strong to resist the overturning moment from the weight of the downrigger dragging a weight though the water.

When it came to mounting side rails, the original designers knew what they were doing, structurally. The new guys are TOO intent on saving a few bucks, at the expense of strength and safety.

scotts152001 posted 04-19-2002 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for scotts152001  Send Email to scotts152001     
I talked to Craig of Helm Products (630-543-1651) and he said that the demand dropped off for the downrigger mount so they no longer make them. He said that if the demand picked up, they would gladly start making them again. Apparently West Marine and Outer Banks quit carrying the product and that's when demand dropped off. Hopefully a dealer or distributer will see the demand and place an order so these become available again. I'll buy two!
whalernut posted 04-19-2002 07:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Larry, if those New Guys at the Boston Whaler designing board had a brain they would be dangerous!! I agree they really have cheapened the New Whalers, especially the hardwear. Jack.
Dick posted 04-19-2002 09:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
If you want the best downrigger rail mounts buy the Scotties. You do have to make your own wooden vertical supports, but this makes sense since the distance from the rail to the gunwale is not the same on all boats.
I have been running them on my 99 Montauk for over 2 years and there is no damaging strain on the rail. Four thumbscrews and they are off or on.
Tsuriki BW posted 04-19-2002 09:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Jack,

What year is the Model "A" you drive? Bet your are ticked you can't get that good 'ol lead based paint and asbestice(sp) insulation for your house.

Jack, you are a nice guy but you have to start getting over things.......

Now, I have used my electric Scotties, mounted on the rails of my Dauntless 14 for 2 1/2 years. Use 10lb weights and have no problem trolling, draging flashers and catching fish with them on the rail.

As Dick said, 4 thumb screws and they are off when not going trolling. Even with the extra weight of the electric motors, there is no problem.

Tsuriki

whalernut posted 04-20-2002 09:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
People take me all wrong sometimes, I don`t care what Boston Whaler comes out with, but all I am saying in a nutshell, is please don`t call the New Montauk a Montauk, call it something Newly Named. I hope all New Montauk owners love their new Whalers and I am very happy for them-really. If I could go back and buy from the past I would buy a 1968 B/W Eastport and a 1968 Plymouth GTX with a 426 Hemi, so not the model A you suggest. I would pay $17,000 for a New Eastport before paying for a new Montauk, but that is just me. Jack.
John from Madison CT posted 04-21-2002 06:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for John from Madison CT  Send Email to John from Madison CT     
Well guys, just ordered the Rail mount kit, Scotty Brand, from Cabelas. ($32)

I'm hoping I can mount my Cannon downrigger to it somehow otherwise I'll have to buy another downrigger.

I'll let you all know how it goes.

John

Dick posted 04-21-2002 07:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
John

If there is a will there is a way. I haven't seen much that can't be adapted to something else.

Dick

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