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AkWhaler posted 04-08-2002 01:44 PM ET (US)
Some questions to the board, please. This is what I've been told is a 1979 outrage. Can anyone tell me the hull weight? The local paper has an ad for a '95 Evinrude Ocean-pro 150 for $1200. Would this be a good match up? I'll be using the boat for halibut fishing and gunkholing in salt water on the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska. Thank you for any responses. AkWhaler
Bigshot posted 04-08-2002 01:53 PM ET (US)
Great match and great engine....why so cheap? That engine should be $4k+.
AkWhaler posted 04-08-2002 05:04 PM ET (US)
I don't know why so cheap. The seller has repowered with twin 4-strokes. He sold the twin 150 evinrudes and has his "spare" left to sell. It's history is 500 hours use on a seine skiff and claims to have invested $900 in rebuilding the lower unit. Comes with controls and he'll mount the engine if I bring the boat.
Now for a new question.
I see on the reference page I'm looking for a 20" engine. This 150 Evinrude is 25". I'm being told I can mount this engine high to compensate for the difference. I'm going over to the performance forum with this question.
A correction...
I believe this is a 1970 Whaler. 1979 that I wrote in my initial post was a typo.
Thank you for your reply.
dfmcintyre posted 04-08-2002 08:25 PM ET (US)
If it's a 1970 21' it should weigh around 1950lbs with minimal equipment and a 150.
I'm basing that weight on what my 1973 'Rage weighed coming out of the shop, after renovation. Mine is the newer model, with internal fuel, fiberglass console, and flat (not extruded or dump truck) sides.
Three items:
1 - It's a rougher riding hull then the later Outrages in that same approximate length. Upside is it runs in _very_ shallow waters.
2 - With that age hull, inspect the transom for dry rot. If any is found, either walk away from it, or be prepared to spend time/materials or about $3000 to have the transom professionally repaired.
3 - It a motor shaft that long, you'll have to install a motor bracket. You need the cavitation plate level with, if not up to 2" above the bottom of the transom. I used one by Cook, and have been happy with it. It's the manual lift one.
Good luck,
Don McIntyre
AkWhaler posted 04-08-2002 11:08 PM ET (US)
Wow! Things happen fast here at continuouswave.com!
Thank you for the thoughtful advice. I'll let you know what happens.
AkWhaler a.k.a. Curt on the Kenai
Clark Roberts posted 04-09-2002 08:03 AM ET (US)
Ak, the 21 hull will operate, lightly loaded with as little as 65-70hp and I have put many hrs on a 21 Revenge (same hull) with a 90hp Merc. With the 90 it would hit 35mph with most any load! Although rated for 200hp it will be a very fast rig with the 150hp. Happy Whalin'... Clark... SCN
AkWhaler posted 04-09-2002 01:18 PM ET (US)
The boat I have came with a 115 Merc that I could probably get going again as I know the compression is good. The previous owner had 2 115's so I'd made an assumption one would not be enough. This boat came with a home-built plywood and fiberglassed cabin that was not too bad looking except for the fact it was damaged in a river rollover. I've taken the cabin off and bought a console and seat that fits the boat. Maybe it was the cabin and the 2 50 gallon fuel tanks that made the 2 115's neccessary at times.
Thanks, Clark for giving me another factor in my future boating equation. I'm going to make the trip today to look at the 150, find someone to give me an estimate on the 115 and somehow make a decision.
Ak

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Author	Topic: 21' whaler hull # 00405
AkWhaler	posted 04-08-2002 01:44 PM ET (US) Some questions to the board, please. This is what I've been told is a 1979 outrage. Can anyone tell me the hull weight? The local paper has an ad for a '95 Evinrude Ocean-pro 150 for $1200. Would this be a good match up? I'll be using the boat for halibut fishing and gunkholing in salt water on the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska. Thank you for any responses. AkWhaler
Bigshot	posted 04-08-2002 01:53 PM ET (US) Great match and great engine....why so cheap? That engine should be $4k+.
AkWhaler	posted 04-08-2002 05:04 PM ET (US) I don't know why so cheap. The seller has repowered with twin 4-strokes. He sold the twin 150 evinrudes and has his "spare" left to sell. It's history is 500 hours use on a seine skiff and claims to have invested $900 in rebuilding the lower unit. Comes with controls and he'll mount the engine if I bring the boat. Now for a new question. I see on the reference page I'm looking for a 20" engine. This 150 Evinrude is 25". I'm being told I can mount this engine high to compensate for the difference. I'm going over to the performance forum with this question. A correction... I believe this is a 1970 Whaler. 1979 that I wrote in my initial post was a typo. Thank you for your reply.
dfmcintyre	posted 04-08-2002 08:25 PM ET (US) If it's a 1970 21' it should weigh around 1950lbs with minimal equipment and a 150. I'm basing that weight on what my 1973 'Rage weighed coming out of the shop, after renovation. Mine is the newer model, with internal fuel, fiberglass console, and flat (not extruded or dump truck) sides. Three items: 1 - It's a rougher riding hull then the later Outrages in that same approximate length. Upside is it runs in _very_ shallow waters. 2 - With that age hull, inspect the transom for dry rot. If any is found, either walk away from it, or be prepared to spend time/materials or about $3000 to have the transom professionally repaired. 3 - It a motor shaft that long, you'll have to install a motor bracket. You need the cavitation plate level with, if not up to 2" above the bottom of the transom. I used one by Cook, and have been happy with it. It's the manual lift one. Good luck, Don McIntyre
AkWhaler	posted 04-08-2002 11:08 PM ET (US) Wow! Things happen fast here at continuouswave.com! Thank you for the thoughtful advice. I'll let you know what happens. AkWhaler a.k.a. Curt on the Kenai
Clark Roberts	posted 04-09-2002 08:03 AM ET (US) Ak, the 21 hull will operate, lightly loaded with as little as 65-70hp and I have put many hrs on a 21 Revenge (same hull) with a 90hp Merc. With the 90 it would hit 35mph with most any load! Although rated for 200hp it will be a very fast rig with the 150hp. Happy Whalin'... Clark... SCN
AkWhaler	posted 04-09-2002 01:18 PM ET (US) The boat I have came with a 115 Merc that I could probably get going again as I know the compression is good. The previous owner had 2 115's so I'd made an assumption one would not be enough. This boat came with a home-built plywood and fiberglassed cabin that was not too bad looking except for the fact it was damaged in a river rollover. I've taken the cabin off and bought a console and seat that fits the boat. Maybe it was the cabin and the 2 50 gallon fuel tanks that made the 2 115's neccessary at times. Thanks, Clark for giving me another factor in my future boating equation. I'm going to make the trip today to look at the 150, find someone to give me an estimate on the 115 and somehow make a decision. Ak