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gilligan posted 04-14-2002 03:14 PM ET (US)
I just purchsed this boat. I'm not crazy, [I bought it] for next to nothing. It may be a Island copy molded from a whaler hull as the transom is 16 inches (yes, 16) so the cavitation plate is 1 inch above the lowest part of the hull (my measurement in water). There is no deck, there [is] flotation fore and aft. Well, let me know, am I right [that it is an Island copy molded from a whaler hull]?
hardensheetmetal posted 04-14-2002 08:59 PM ET (US)
I'm game, I say Caribe Dory...
Dan
newportguy posted 04-14-2002 09:19 PM ET (US)
Actually guys if you look close at the forward detail on the hull you will see that this actually, good be a mold taken form a classic 13 footer. The interior is not for sure... but dollars to donuts that sure looks like a 13 foot classic hull....IMHO
Hendrickson posted 04-14-2002 11:07 PM ET (US)
I couldn't find your pictures, but have seen two copies of the 13 BW. One in Dalton, GA and the other in Blackduck, MN. They called it a Roy Rogers and looked like same mold, but had a different style gunnel and slightly different interior if I recall correctly. Good old Roy was into boating, so somehow a BW looking Roy Rogers was sold somewhere.
Bigshot posted 04-15-2002 10:20 AM ET (US)
Looks like a 13' to me. Got anymore pics?
hardensheetmetal posted 04-15-2002 10:25 AM ET (US)
I looked again, and I still think, from the angle the picture was taken at, that the bow is too rounded for a 13. The trnsom is also notched, which I would think would mean, if it was taken from a mold of a Whaler, it would have to have been a 1973...yes? no?...

Dan
george nagy posted 04-15-2002 10:46 AM ET (US)
can it ba an 11'?
Bigshot posted 04-15-2002 01:53 PM ET (US)
Looks like older 13' mold----pre 73.
Salmon Tub posted 04-15-2002 04:57 PM ET (US)
Back about 5 or so years ago, a boat dealer out of San Rafael, Ca., had a knock off whaler. It was called a Pelican. Fiberglass, looked just like the 11'. I think they are a Canadian company and don't know what the rules are or where about patents. It was an older hull, but never used. The guy just had it on the floor for years, but no takers. Then, it was gone, must have sold it.
Draftmanswife posted 04-17-2002 02:46 PM ET (US)
Looks like my hull, a '73-13'. You say you have numbers on it? Just call Whaler and they will tell you if it's one of theirs or not. Regards,
Janis
Tom W Clark posted 04-17-2002 08:36 PM ET (US)
Here's an easier way to view the photo in question: http://www.geocities.com/d_rano/image01.jpg
I can tell you that the boat is not a Whaler. It may be a splashed hull but I don't event think it is that good.
Note the chine line and the sponson line do not begin to converge at the bow, thus it cannot be the hull design of the original (1958-1971 13' Whaler).
Perhaps it is a post 1971 "smirked" hull, but then it would not have a notched transom unless it was a 1972 but the notch is not even the same. The interior is clearly not a Whaler mold but perhaps it is a very modified 1972 13' Whaler. But this seems very unlikely.
There are lots of imitators out there and none of them are as good as a Whaler. It's just another wannabe...
Tom W Clark posted 04-17-2002 08:39 PM ET (US)
Let's try that link again: http://www.geocities.com/d_rano/image01.jpg
jimh posted 04-17-2002 09:05 PM ET (US)
[Changed TOPIC. Was: "Can someone identify this vessel?" Also added hyperlink to initial post. Removed additional posts trying to form hyperlinks. --jimh]
jimh posted 04-17-2002 09:09 PM ET (US)
And people wonder why I am not fond of links to other sites.
Here is a great example. This entire thread relies on the existance of an outside link, which is now dead.
The link doesn't work after a day or two.
What is the value of this thread now?
Zero.
Tom W Clark posted 04-17-2002 09:14 PM ET (US)
Well I'm glad to see jimh couldn't get a link to work any better than I could. Interestingly enough, if you pull up �page info� on the Yahoo page that appears instead of the boat, you'll see a thumbnail of the boat (at least with Netscape)!
jimh, if you can get the link of work, you can kill my extra posts well.
gilligan,
your transom seems to measure 16" because you are measuring it incorrectly. I suspect you've measured it along the transom but transom height is measured vertically, or more precisely, perpendicular to the keel. With a 13' Whaler (or this imitator), the transom leans back quite a bit thus the distance along the transom is significantly greater.
Tom W Clark posted 04-17-2002 09:23 PM ET (US)
No the link is NOT dead. It is still there. I just cleared my cache and I can still see the photo but I have to load the Yahoo page that says it is not available and then reenter the very same url and it works!
Long story short: click link, get Yahoo page that says photo is not available. Hit return key or enter key and boat will appear. Go figure.
jimh posted 04-17-2002 09:32 PM ET (US)
Click your heels three times and say "I want to go to Kansas", too...
bc posted 04-17-2002 10:10 PM ET (US)
3 years ago I looked at a 13' whaler clone manufactured by Tide Runner in east Tennessee. The boat was completly foam filled and made of polypropline or Rovail, anyway something like that. I passed on the boat because I heard they were extremely hard to rapair the hull. (nothing would adhere to the stuff) Boat and trailer $300. Well, jump foward 3 yrs (day before yesterday) I was shopping in the tackle shop. I got to talking with the owner who used to work for tide-runner. He said that they went out and purchased two 13' whalers to make a mold out of. At the boating show, he said Boston Whaler wasn't happy with the new line of tide-runners. Next day they changed the hull just a little bit to keep from getting sued.
KeysNole posted 04-18-2002 01:34 AM ET (US)
jimh, for future reference--geocites does not allow a direct link to open up their pages (for whatever reason). Copying the link and repasting it always does the job.
jimh posted 04-18-2002 12:07 PM ET (US)
If you read the HELP file (intended for the owner of the account) it describes how to eliminate the problem.
Tom W Clark posted 04-18-2002 01:38 PM ET (US)
Yahoo.com is aptly named.
Salmon Tub posted 04-18-2002 03:18 PM ET (US)
BC, that plastic stuff, is ussually repaired by 'welding', actually filling a crack or gouge with the same material that is in the form of powder, then heating it, and it melts and bonds with original. I don't know how it would affect foam inside though. Look up Triumph boats for more details.
bc posted 04-18-2002 10:39 PM ET (US)
Salmon Tube,
This former tide-runner employee said the same thing on hull repair. He also thought the ultra violet sun rays would hurt the boat more than anything.
bc posted 04-18-2002 10:40 PM ET (US)
Sorry.....tub

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Author	Topic: Island copy of Whaler?
gilligan	posted 04-14-2002 03:14 PM ET (US) I just purchsed this boat. I'm not crazy, [I bought it] for next to nothing. It may be a Island copy molded from a whaler hull as the transom is 16 inches (yes, 16) so the cavitation plate is 1 inch above the lowest part of the hull (my measurement in water). There is no deck, there [is] flotation fore and aft. Well, let me know, am I right [that it is an Island copy molded from a whaler hull]?
hardensheetmetal	posted 04-14-2002 08:59 PM ET (US) I'm game, I say Caribe Dory... Dan
newportguy	posted 04-14-2002 09:19 PM ET (US) Actually guys if you look close at the forward detail on the hull you will see that this actually, good be a mold taken form a classic 13 footer. The interior is not for sure... but dollars to donuts that sure looks like a 13 foot classic hull....IMHO
Hendrickson	posted 04-14-2002 11:07 PM ET (US) I couldn't find your pictures, but have seen two copies of the 13 BW. One in Dalton, GA and the other in Blackduck, MN. They called it a Roy Rogers and looked like same mold, but had a different style gunnel and slightly different interior if I recall correctly. Good old Roy was into boating, so somehow a BW looking Roy Rogers was sold somewhere.
Bigshot	posted 04-15-2002 10:20 AM ET (US) Looks like a 13' to me. Got anymore pics?
hardensheetmetal	posted 04-15-2002 10:25 AM ET (US) I looked again, and I still think, from the angle the picture was taken at, that the bow is too rounded for a 13. The trnsom is also notched, which I would think would mean, if it was taken from a mold of a Whaler, it would have to have been a 1973...yes? no?... Dan
george nagy	posted 04-15-2002 10:46 AM ET (US) can it ba an 11'?
Bigshot	posted 04-15-2002 01:53 PM ET (US) Looks like older 13' mold----pre 73.
Salmon Tub	posted 04-15-2002 04:57 PM ET (US) Back about 5 or so years ago, a boat dealer out of San Rafael, Ca., had a knock off whaler. It was called a Pelican. Fiberglass, looked just like the 11'. I think they are a Canadian company and don't know what the rules are or where about patents. It was an older hull, but never used. The guy just had it on the floor for years, but no takers. Then, it was gone, must have sold it.
Draftmanswife	posted 04-17-2002 02:46 PM ET (US) Looks like my hull, a '73-13'. You say you have numbers on it? Just call Whaler and they will tell you if it's one of theirs or not. Regards, Janis
Tom W Clark	posted 04-17-2002 08:36 PM ET (US) Here's an easier way to view the photo in question: http://www.geocities.com/d_rano/image01.jpg I can tell you that the boat is not a Whaler. It may be a splashed hull but I don't event think it is that good. Note the chine line and the sponson line do not begin to converge at the bow, thus it cannot be the hull design of the original (1958-1971 13' Whaler). Perhaps it is a post 1971 "smirked" hull, but then it would not have a notched transom unless it was a 1972 but the notch is not even the same. The interior is clearly not a Whaler mold but perhaps it is a very modified 1972 13' Whaler. But this seems very unlikely. There are lots of imitators out there and none of them are as good as a Whaler. It's just another wannabe...
Tom W Clark	posted 04-17-2002 08:39 PM ET (US) Let's try that link again: http://www.geocities.com/d_rano/image01.jpg
jimh	posted 04-17-2002 09:05 PM ET (US) [Changed TOPIC. Was: "Can someone identify this vessel?" Also added hyperlink to initial post. Removed additional posts trying to form hyperlinks. --jimh]
jimh	posted 04-17-2002 09:09 PM ET (US) And people wonder why I am not fond of links to other sites. Here is a great example. This entire thread relies on the existance of an outside link, which is now dead. The link doesn't work after a day or two. What is the value of this thread now? Zero.
Tom W Clark	posted 04-17-2002 09:14 PM ET (US) Well I'm glad to see jimh couldn't get a link to work any better than I could. Interestingly enough, if you pull up �page info� on the Yahoo page that appears instead of the boat, you'll see a thumbnail of the boat (at least with Netscape)! jimh, if you can get the link of work, you can kill my extra posts well. gilligan, your transom seems to measure 16" because you are measuring it incorrectly. I suspect you've measured it along the transom but transom height is measured vertically, or more precisely, perpendicular to the keel. With a 13' Whaler (or this imitator), the transom leans back quite a bit thus the distance along the transom is significantly greater.
Tom W Clark	posted 04-17-2002 09:23 PM ET (US) No the link is NOT dead. It is still there. I just cleared my cache and I can still see the photo but I have to load the Yahoo page that says it is not available and then reenter the very same url and it works! Long story short: click link, get Yahoo page that says photo is not available. Hit return key or enter key and boat will appear. Go figure.
jimh	posted 04-17-2002 09:32 PM ET (US) Click your heels three times and say "I want to go to Kansas", too...
bc	posted 04-17-2002 10:10 PM ET (US) 3 years ago I looked at a 13' whaler clone manufactured by Tide Runner in east Tennessee. The boat was completly foam filled and made of polypropline or Rovail, anyway something like that. I passed on the boat because I heard they were extremely hard to rapair the hull. (nothing would adhere to the stuff) Boat and trailer $300. Well, jump foward 3 yrs (day before yesterday) I was shopping in the tackle shop. I got to talking with the owner who used to work for tide-runner. He said that they went out and purchased two 13' whalers to make a mold out of. At the boating show, he said Boston Whaler wasn't happy with the new line of tide-runners. Next day they changed the hull just a little bit to keep from getting sued.
KeysNole	posted 04-18-2002 01:34 AM ET (US) jimh, for future reference--geocites does not allow a direct link to open up their pages (for whatever reason). Copying the link and repasting it always does the job.
jimh	posted 04-18-2002 12:07 PM ET (US) If you read the HELP file (intended for the owner of the account) it describes how to eliminate the problem.
Tom W Clark	posted 04-18-2002 01:38 PM ET (US) Yahoo.com is aptly named.
Salmon Tub	posted 04-18-2002 03:18 PM ET (US) BC, that plastic stuff, is ussually repaired by 'welding', actually filling a crack or gouge with the same material that is in the form of powder, then heating it, and it melts and bonds with original. I don't know how it would affect foam inside though. Look up Triumph boats for more details.
bc	posted 04-18-2002 10:39 PM ET (US) Salmon Tube, This former tide-runner employee said the same thing on hull repair. He also thought the ultra violet sun rays would hurt the boat more than anything.
bc	posted 04-18-2002 10:40 PM ET (US) Sorry.....tub