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tabasco posted 04-15-2002 09:09 AM ET (US)   Profile for tabasco   Send Email to tabasco  
Well for some people the 13th is unlucky.........But for me it was the day I test drove and picked up my new Montauk.
OK .......here are my initial findings.

There is NO comparison in the ride of the new vs the classic. The new Montauk ride and handling is awesome. It's very stable and smoooooooooooooooth. Didn't get beaten up at all. I thought I was in a much larger boat. The finish is as good as the classic.

Cons: Only have three complaints (maybe four). I ordered the boat with the fishing package and the optional front bow cushion, swim platform & sun top. The fishing package comes with a compass, which in my opinion is cheap looking. (No problem I went down to West marine and purchased a new Ritchie model 1000 in white fits in the same hole and has a much larger dial..... would have cost Whaler another $75 to upgrade). Total cost of new compass was $130.

The boat came with a 90 HP four stroke. Whaler gives you two plastic 6-gallon tanks. I guess this was a place they felt they could cut corners. I had ordered a Pate 27 gallon tank in advance (and yes it does fit under the new seat). Whaler should work out a deal with Pate to offer this as an option.

My suspicions were right ...........to make this the ideal boat Whaler should have offered the 115 HP EFI. But my understanding is that there is a shortage on the 115's now and that may be the reason they will hold off offering it til next year.

My test run was made in the rain, fog and awful conditions. I took my computer aboard and WOT for only a few seconds read 38MPH. I am sure that the boat in normal conditions will do 40MPH ......WOT
Again my gripe with whaler was not the top speed it was the smoothness of the EFI and the torque of the 115HP. Oh on my test run there were 4 people on board of which three were men and i would guess the total weight of all was around 700 -725 lbs also two full 6 gallon gas tanks.

An annoying thing for me was that there is a bow cleat but nowhere to tie the boat up in the stern except for the stern tow eyes.

Another annoyance is the sun top. It only folds down to the stern right in front of the two little stern step-seats. I spoke to Mills and they are redesigning the sun top to fold down to the bow under the front rail. (The sun top from Whaler is NOT made by Mills) If I were ordering it again, I would NOT order the one from the factory I would order it directly from Mills Canvass (also Mills charges less than the factory about $200 less).

PROS:
THE RIDE ........THE RIDE.........THE RIDE
Itís awesome.

The fishing tackle box installed in the console is a nice addition (even though I am not a fisherman yet, it looks very nice) it alone makes you want to order the fishing package.

The additional room because of the wider beam is really nice ........you have the feel of space. Not cramped at all.

The trailer is very nice and trails very easy. I ordered (not from the factory) a swing tongue from EZ Loader trailers so that I could fit the boat in my girlfriendís garage. Except for the hole I made in the rear sheetrock wall the boat just fit in. Remember if anyone orders a swing tongue YOU MUST BLOCK UNDER THE BOW FOR SUPPORT before swinging that tongue away.

A pleasant surprise was the the 4 stroke motor come with a SS Vengeance prop at no additional cost.

The boat sits nicely in the water .......it seems that the additional weight of the 4 stroke does not effect it. The four strokes on the classic made the stern sit very deep in the water.

All in all I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS BOAT. I hope that Brunswick makes more of the 115 HP so that they can start offering it on next years model. With the 115 it would blow all the competition off the map.

THANKS WHALER FOR MAKING SUCH A NICE BOAT.

Jimh - I will send some photos to you.

daverdla posted 04-15-2002 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for daverdla  Send Email to daverdla     
Tabasco,
Glad to hear you're happy with the boat. Although I own an 89 Montauk, I think the new one looks great.

Good Luck

Dave

aubv posted 04-15-2002 01:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Tabasco,

Congratulations and best of luck with the new boat.

By the way how was the ride ??? :-)

Brian

Bigshot posted 04-15-2002 01:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
What you gonna do with that motor now? She is now used and from what you say.....break-in guidelines might have been violated:)
scottfarm posted 04-15-2002 04:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for scottfarm  Send Email to scottfarm     
Congradulations Tabasco, your gonna love that boat. You are blessed. Wear that motor out and then buy the 115.
tabasco posted 04-15-2002 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Scottfarm-
Thanks to you .......you sent the first pictures of the new Montauk to be posted on the forum. One look and I cancelled my deal on the 2001 leftover and ordered the new Montauk.
Because of your photos I was able to get my order in early before most dealers even knew there was a new Montauk. I understand that they are back ordered til July.
It's a home run for whaler.
TightPenny posted 04-15-2002 05:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for TightPenny  Send Email to TightPenny     
Good luck with the new vessel.

I will stick with my 2000 Montauk for a while.

Wreckdiver posted 04-15-2002 07:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Wreckdiver  Send Email to Wreckdiver     
I donít think my 2000 Montauk with 2 stroke 90 will go much faster with that much weight on board. I bet you wonít break the rail off this summer either.
RGU
Alan Hiccock posted 04-15-2002 08:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
Congrats on the new Montuak!
Onr thing I gont get is I thought the boat was rated for a 90 HP max ?
Sounds like it's a sweet boat, alan
whalerfran posted 04-15-2002 08:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerfran    
Congratulations on your purchase. From your comment on the boat's performance, it seems the 90 hp engine is more than adequate, which is nice to hear. Thanks for the report, and best of luck with your new toy.
tabasco posted 04-15-2002 08:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
I have sent three pictures to Jimh. One launched in the water, two pictures on the trailer.
jimh posted 04-15-2002 10:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I have the pics--I'll rush them to the head of the line for the next CETACEA, or maybe add them to the 17-Montauk article.

You may be on to something with the theory about the 115-HP 4-stroke Mercury being in short supply. I tried to get a quote on that engine from the local BASS PRO SHOP. The salesman said, "no way" he could get one, there were none to be had. He said they got a few over the winter, but now all 115-HPs are going to the West Coast shops--not to the midwest shores.

I think that is a very hot engine for Mercury at the moment.

Alan Hiccock posted 04-15-2002 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
I'll try again.
I see you were considering a 115 for your new, new model Montuak.
There was much discussion of the max HP rating being too low @ 90 .
Can you please inform me if BW was able to raise max hp rating on this vessel as I'm considering the purchase of one myself ?
thank you,
Alan Hiccock
tabasco posted 04-16-2002 08:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Alan-
At this point it still rated at 90 HP. As far as I can figure it would be dumb of them to raise it to 115 HP until they could supply them. Im sure that's one of the main reason they put it at 90HP. The boat could use the extra torque........we will all have to wait and see. If I can't get one I will just use the 90 and deal with it over the winter months.

Ray

Taylor posted 04-16-2002 12:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Isn't the max horsepower rating was taken from a formula with length and beam as input. What the supply of a paricular engine from another division have to do with the rating. This is a packaging, not a safety issue. Am I being niave?

Tabasco, I'm truely pleased to hear that you like your new Montauk.

Gigabite posted 04-16-2002 01:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gigabite  Send Email to Gigabite     
According to the whaler web site, the max HP is 100.
http://www.whaler.com/REC/spec_170_montauk.shtm
JFM posted 04-16-2002 01:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Gig, that's for the old model.
tabasco, congrats.! It sounds like a lot better performance than we all initially thought. Regards, Jay
Alan Hiccock posted 04-16-2002 06:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
Tobasco { love your sauce by the way!}
Thanks for the reply.
I thought maybe I missed something & they uped the rating, nevertheless you got a sweet boat there that I'm sure is worthy of the Boston Whaler name.
Thanks for sharing this, Alan
lhg posted 04-16-2002 06:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
The 115 Mercury/Yamaha EFI 4-stroke is a hot engine for BOTH brands, that's why they're in short supply. The production has to be shared by both brands, and I'll bet Yamaha is getting more than Mercury. It's the EFI performance characteristics that has made them so popular.

There is no way that the new Montauk won't calculate out to at least 115 HP, just like we knew the new Sport 13 would calculate out to 40HP instead of the initial 30 they used.

As mentioned, it's all in the price points of the introductory sale. I think this is very bad marketing strategy, as it eventually hurts the customer, an unwise thing to do. But it does help Mercury with moving the 90 4-strokes, which are are not as much in demand as the 115's. And, also as previously mentioned, they have nicely locked out the "same engine" Yamaha 100 4-stroke as a competitor for dealer installation.

If more HP is desired, I would buy (order) the new boat with a Mercury 90 2-stroke, which will be much easier to re-sell. It's a highly popular engine. Will BW sell the boat unrigged, as has been so widely advertized here with the Dauntless/Conquest/Outrage models? I just saw a new 28 Conquest leave a Dealership with a pair of Yamaha 225's. Why couldn't this be done with the new Montauk?

Since the Mercury/Yamaha joint venture is supposedly over, I believe Mercury will be bringing out their own 75-115HP range 4-strokes, all with EFI, soon. This is what they have done with their "all-Mercury" EFI 4-strokes in the 30-60HP range.

tabasco posted 04-16-2002 10:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
To answer your question...... Whaler will NOT sell the new Montauk as a blank boat........believe me I tried.
James posted 04-16-2002 10:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for James  Send Email to James     
Tabasco,

Congratulations on your new boat. I had a pretty interesting day on Saturday the 13th too (see my Forum thread).

Every Whaler representative that I have spoken to feels that the 90 HP maximum rating in this boat/trailer/engine package is not going to change. They feel that the 90/4-stroke draws out all the performance that the boat design will reasonably handle. I do not know why that BW opinion has anything to do with rating the boat properly (i.e. a maximum rating of 115 -150HP). Within reason, determining the ideal engine for any boat should be the buyers decision.

Reportedly, starting next year, if you want a Whaler, you will get it with a Mercury or not get it at all.

James.

lhg posted 04-16-2002 11:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I think the Dealership network HAS to be convinced the 90 HP rating will stick, or it would defeat the entire purpose of the lowball rating in the first place, making the boats hard to sell. Everybody would simply wait. But hull dimensions and the USCG formula don't lie, so I'm betting it WILL change after the introductory discounts are over, and the price is kicked up. The additional HP will be one of the reasons to justify a big price boost.

But I still think they think we are all a bunch of stupid consumers. The much smaller original 16 is only a 500lb bare hull, and IT was rated for 100HP. There is no way this boat, which weighs more than the 150HP rated 18 Outrage, could be rated at 90HP!!!! Isn't this boat about the same dimensions and weight of the 2nd generation Accutrack 17 Outrage, which was rated for 135HP?

They are taking advantage of the fact, however, that both Mercury 90's, 2 & 4 strokes, are putting out closer to 100HP than 90 HP. So that helps a little.

tabasco posted 04-17-2002 06:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
lhg-
Your completely correct in your assumtions.............I would love to see my Montauk with the 140 HP Suzuki .....wow.....could pull three skiiers :-)
masbama posted 04-17-2002 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for masbama  Send Email to masbama     
Tabasco: Time waits for no one; get on down to the local Suzi dealer and strap a 140 4S on. Insurance will be null and void but what the hey! We will be waiting on a full report....
Barnett Childress posted 04-17-2002 06:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Tabasco congrats!! Glad you got your new boat early in the season.
Enjoy.
Barnett
tabasco posted 04-18-2002 08:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Thanks everyone ..........I will send some additional photos to Jimh this weekend. If there is anything that someone wants to see........ post it and I will try to accomidate you (close up shots of certain areas)
triblet posted 04-18-2002 10:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
- Close up of the top portion of the console.
- Bowlocker open
- Transom area from inside and out.

Thanks
Chuck

Salmon Tub posted 04-18-2002 12:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Salmon Tub  Send Email to Salmon Tub     
Dear Tabasco,

Could you please cut out a 6 inch wide cross section from the midpoint of the hull to the center. It would be good to compare it to a section of the chainsaw whaler. Also, could give us a difinative answer to the color of foam. You could then throw a glueing party, where we all come and glue the piece back into place.

Thank You.

P.S. - Just kidding, please dont go cutting your boat up. On a serious note, how does the new hull drift in the wind, does it set up with the transom up wind, or does it drift sideways to the wind. does it get rock and rolly from other wakes and chop, or is as stable as the original twin sponson design? By your previous posts, it does sound like they came up with a winner.

tabasco posted 04-19-2002 07:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Chuck-
I'll try to take those photos this weekenf=d
Vic Holmstrom posted 04-21-2002 03:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Vic Holmstrom  Send Email to Vic Holmstrom     
Tabasco,

Congratulations on your new boat. We are looking to buy next year and the new Montauk is at the top of our list. Please post performance and fuel economy specs once you get her broken in. I have aready reviewed the info from BW, but your real world experience will provide some great data.

Did you purchase the optional trailer brakes? Posts on this and some sites give me the feeling that maintenance on brakes can be a hassel, especially if you don't need them. Also, the vehicle I would use for towing is a 2001 Ford Escape with the towing package (class 2 hitch) and a 3500 lb tow rating. Your actual experience towing this package would give me some insight regarding whether to order trailer brakes and the Escapes ability to easily tow her. Any advice from members of this forum will be appreciated. Thanks.

phatwhaler posted 04-21-2002 03:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
Vic, I'll probably never hear the end of this but, I don't think you really want to mess with trailer brakes. Especially if you are a saltwater boater. Nothing that will piss you off more than pulling your boat out of the driveway only to find one of the wheels locked up. Most trailers, with brakes, I have used never really worked that well anyway. Your are talking about a relatively small tow package and I think you'll be fine without them. The problem is that most trailers have drum brakes with a bunch of small parts inside that need to work in harmony to make any friction. They usually become taken over by corrosion and in no time either aren't providing any additional stoppage, or they produce a nice black mark down your driveway. :-) I don't have any experience with disk trailer brakes, but I can't belive they are much better.

As for towing ability of a Ford Escape, I can only assume that it will have no problem with a Montauk. I tow my 20 OR with a V6 Toyota P/U and 31" tires. I am sure your vehicle will have no problem. Assuming you have a six cylinder.

Phatwhaler out.

lhg posted 04-21-2002 05:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Seriously, the new SS disc brakes ARE much better. I agree, drum brakes are a disaster in salt, and the flushing attachments don't help much. In 12 years of saltwater boating, have never had a disc brake caliper freeze up on me. But I don't think brakes are needed for any size Montauk.
djahncke posted 04-21-2002 05:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for djahncke  Send Email to djahncke     
Phatwhaler,

31" tires! Do you tow it in monster truck rallies?:-)

tabasco posted 04-21-2002 08:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
I did not order the brakes and I checked EZ Loader brochure and they do offer disc brakes but it say NOT RECOMMENDED FOR SALT WATER USE.

IT'S NOT NECESSARY the boat tows fine without brakes. We towed it through the mountains of Vermont down to the Connecticut shore with NO PROBLEM.

tabasco posted 04-21-2002 09:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Chuck-
I sent the photos you requested to Jimh this afternoon hopefully he will have time to include them.
tabasco posted 04-22-2002 10:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Update-

I sent Jimh a total of 10 photos so hopefully it will answer everyones request for photos.

If there is anything anyone wants a photo of, don't hesitate to request it and I will try my best .

Ray

hughmcmillan posted 04-24-2002 07:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for hughmcmillan  Send Email to hughmcmillan     
Hey Jimh, where are Tabasco's pictures?
On the 15th you said you were going to rush them but I can't find them.

Many thanks. I am getting my 2002 Montauk 170 delivered on Friday so I am anxious to see the photos.

-Hugh

James posted 04-24-2002 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for James  Send Email to James     
I would greatly appreciate it if someone would send me copies of the pictures, if they are not going to get posted.

James.

Alan Hiccock posted 04-25-2002 02:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
I too would love to see these pictures !
thanks, Alan
David Ratusnik posted 04-25-2002 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Tabasco- Well, with all this thread and others regarding the new Montauk I had to take a look. We're in finals week and needed a break from grading exams etc.,sooo went over to Parkers Boats in Orlando. They can't keep the new Montauk on the floor-selling like hotcakes, all they can get from the plant. The one spoken for on the floor was impressive--nice beam, beefy rub rail and built tough. Deal of the century when you can buy the latest for less than last years' model. Good luck. David
tabasco posted 04-26-2002 01:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Hey guys, in Jimh defense, I think he has had some troubles with his computer and he will post the photos as soon as he is up and running again.

Ray

tabasco posted 04-29-2002 07:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Jimh-
Is there anything else you need from me to post the pictures?
whaleryo posted 04-29-2002 08:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for whaleryo  Send Email to whaleryo     
FYI... I went to an In-water boat show on Long Island on Saturday to check out the new Montauk. Surfside-3 who claims to be the largest Boston Whaler dealer in the Northeast didn't bring one because he says he can't get any more of the new boats. He sold 22 of them for $18,999 and has instructed his salesmen to stop selling them because Whaler can't supply them. He's offering the Classic Montauk at the same price.
tabasco posted 04-30-2002 06:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
As Jimh is having troubles with the computer, you guys will just have to wait a little longer for the Photos
triblet posted 04-30-2002 08:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
I thought Macs were perfect. ;-)

Sorry, couldn't resist.


Chuck

PMUCCIOLO posted 04-30-2002 08:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
triblet,

It's not "Mac's" but "Merc's" that are "perfect!" [That was a joke for lhg!]

Paul

jimh posted 04-30-2002 10:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
No computer problems here, just too much other stuff to get done.

Also, I'm a big hockey fan and with the playoff tournament underway, there is a game every night!

Throw in tax season, my mother's house flooding, my daughter moving, had to work last Saturday, the dryer broke and had to go buy and install a new one...well, you get the picture. Sometimes the website has to take a back seat, at least for a day or two!

masbama posted 05-01-2002 12:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for masbama  Send Email to masbama     
I saw the "new" Montauk in person today at Killinger's Marine in Pensacola. What's not to like? It fits the Montauk persona with a face lift. I love how that hull looks-can't wait to ride in one.
stompy27 posted 05-01-2002 01:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for stompy27  Send Email to stompy27     
Test drove the new Montauk on Thursday and purchased it on Friday. Was the only one on the lot and has the 90ELPT with the fishing package. I suggest if you see one and you are in the market, snatch it up because they are moving fast. Both motors are great so don't let that stop you. Purchase the 3yr extended warranty for peace of mind. The dealer was not willing to dicker on the price of the boat but cut half the cost of the warranty($350).
tabasco posted 05-01-2002 06:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Congrads on the purchase ........you will love this boat.
hughmcmillan posted 05-02-2002 12:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for hughmcmillan  Send Email to hughmcmillan     
And Tabasco's pictures are where???

I see the CETACEA 57 but no Tabasco shots.

Is there that much resentment for the new Whaler product and its owners?

I am sure glad I have my 2002 Montauk 170 in the water as a consolation for the lack of photography of Tabasco's twin.

-Hugh

Wild Turkey posted 05-02-2002 01:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for Wild Turkey  Send Email to Wild Turkey     
Hugh:

You or tabasco can go to villagephotos.com and upload (then link from this site) all the pictures you want for $4.00 per month:

villagephotos.com

Also, lots of other sites that host pictures... this one I am familiar with.

Tabasco, email me the pictures and I will be glad to post them for you.

chrisdearmon@comcast.net
cdearmon@cdcengineers.com

jimh seems like a busy man..... quit complaining and do it yourself.

Just my opinion
Chris


lhg posted 05-02-2002 06:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I just saw a new Montauk on the water, with Merc 2-stroke 90, which I could clearly recognize because of the lower bow rail profile. Looked REAL nice, and quite "Whalerish". Only the pilot seat does not do the boat justice. They should at least offer the original RPS as an upgrade option.
James posted 05-03-2002 04:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for James  Send Email to James     
lhg,

I asked the same question regarding the RPS before I ordered my new Montauk and the answer had to do with the continued cost of keeping the old RPS in production versus the new one which is shared with other models. Apparently Whaler wanted to keep this boat in a certain price bracket and did not want the price creeping upwards. It would have been an option that I would have gladly paid extra for.

The new reversible seat is better built than similar types that I have seen on most other boat brands, but maybe BW could have also been a little more original, such as by adding even a shallow storage area under the seat cushion.

James.

tabasco posted 05-06-2002 12:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Thanks Chris .......but I already sent Jimh all the photos ( ten in number ) and as far as I know he plans to post them unless I hear otherwise from him.
hughmcmillan posted 05-06-2002 08:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for hughmcmillan  Send Email to hughmcmillan     
Please don't post Tabasco's pictures as there are obviously an infinite number of other distribution methods available.

Furthermore, since Boston Whaler has announced the new 170 Montau...
(I can't bear to use such a Classic name on such a Nouveau hull)
on their web site without benefit of photographs then there must be a reason, which we should respect, and honor by not posting any further pictures of this model in public until __________. (Please fill in the blank)

If you can't go forward then try going backward.

jimh posted 05-11-2002 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Hey Hughie,

You need to go out in that new Montauk you just bought and have a few beers.

And while you're at it, take a few pictures and post them yourself, too, OK?

hughmcmillan posted 05-13-2002 07:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for hughmcmillan  Send Email to hughmcmillan     
Drinking and driving...
This forum just gets more and more incredible.
tabasco posted 05-13-2002 12:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Jimh-
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?
On April 15th you posted the following:

I have the pics--I'll rush them to the head of the line for the next CETACEA, or maybe add them to the 17-Montauk article.

It's fine if you don't want to post the photos but then please say so......... and why your not posting them.

I think we all need an explantion.

Thank you,
Ray

Gep posted 05-13-2002 02:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Hey Tabasco and Hugh,
I find it really incredible also, but not for the same reason as you guys. I find it incredible in that you guys have been around since the beginning of the year and you still donít understand. That being, that Jim started and runs this website by himself, with his own money, on his own time. If for some reason he doesnít get to posting it on HIS website for a while, then I would think that all the explanation (which he tried to explain above) you need is heís busy and will get to it when he can. Also, (Iím going out on a limb here) but I donít think this has anything to do with the Classic vrs. New Whaler stuff that youíre talking about. That horse has been flogged to death here, I hope it doesnít start up again. Not trying to be malicious, take it how you want.
Mike (waitíin to see the pics also)
whalersman posted 05-13-2002 03:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
OK everyone.... I was passing Portland, Oregon last week on my way to Coeur d'Alene, Idaho to pick up a Whaler and do some fishing. While passing Portland, I stopped into the Boston Whaler dealer there and they had 1 new Montauk sitting in their parking lot. Here are some photos to tide you over until Jim has time to post the other photos.
http://www.sisqtel.net/~jkirz/New-Montauk/new-montauk.html
I think it is a very nice looking boat. If I did not already own a 1978 Classic Montauk, I would definitely consider buying one of these.
I hope you enjoy the photos.....
Joe
whalersman posted 05-13-2002 03:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
OK, so I can't even spell my name right.. Here is the correct URL..
http://www.sisqtel.net/~jkriz/New-Montauk/new-montauk.html
Taylor posted 05-13-2002 06:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Cetecea is more than just a list of pictures, and Jim is the guy that adds that value. Good things take time.

Like Gep said, I don't think this has anything to do with new vs classic. I think the new Montauk has been treated very well here by both the moderator and the forum participants. Heck its even being recommended to people.

Now lets get back to talking about boats.

Hey Tabasco... did you get that new Pate tank installed yet? If so, does Jim have a picture of that?

whalernut posted 05-13-2002 07:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
I just looked at the New Montauk again to give it a second chance, and I must say I would like it much better, if they would have called it a Dauntless or something and they kept making the Classic Montauk, I believe they could have done this to keep both parties happy. But I do like the width of the New one. Jack.
Gep posted 05-14-2002 08:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Hugh and Tabasco,
Sorry if I came off sounding like a jerk, was not my intention.
Mike
jimh posted 05-14-2002 11:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Hello Ray (tabasco)

I have been sending you eMail about your photographs for almost a week. It would help get things rolling here if you would answer your eMail.

I am only posting this notice here because there may be some problem with eMail that has prevented you from receiving all of my previous messages. They've all been delivered to the eMail address you have registered with.

--jimh

Wild Turkey posted 05-15-2002 01:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Wild Turkey  Send Email to Wild Turkey     
So Ray....

"I think we all need an explantion" :)

Just kidding,
Chris

tabasco posted 05-15-2002 08:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Here is my e-mail address:

Beaugrand7@aol.com

Please use the word MONTAUK as the subject matter and it will surely be opened. I along with most people get lots of Junk mail which i discard without reading.

Sorry Jimh......I will be attentive from now on ;-)

GRMontauk posted 05-15-2002 02:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for GRMontauk  Send Email to GRMontauk     
There are pictures on the Boston Whaler website of the new 170 Montauk.
tabasco posted 05-16-2002 09:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Jimh-
Got your e-mails and will try to answer them all today.
tabasco posted 05-16-2002 03:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Jimh-
I just sent out all of the emails to you.

Thanks again
Ray

tabasco posted 05-17-2002 11:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Thanks Jim-

You did a wonderful job of putting it all together.

Ray

Chris J posted 05-17-2002 11:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chris J  Send Email to Chris J     
Impressive boat. Thanks for the pictures, too.

Tabasco, of all your "cons" the lack of cleats in the stern would upset me the most, possibly to the point of not buying the boat. It's a shame to spend that kind of money and not have a decent way to secure it properly at the dock. Tieing to the towing eyes isn't really a practical proposition, in my opinion, and no substitute for decent cleats.

I was going to suggest you add pins at the stern (ala the early Whalers) but there doesn't seem to be any bulkhead to mount them to. The bow cleat looks a little small too, but maybe that's just the photo perspective.

I guess if you trailer all the time it is no big deal, but I'm still surprised at this oversight.

The compass thing wouldn't bother me, except I might ask that they deliver the boat without a compass so I could install my own. It's better to just buy the one you like anyway.

Other than that, it looks like an awesome boat. Have fun!

Kelly posted 05-18-2002 11:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
tabasco,
Just saw the pictures of your boat. I think it looks great! I really like the looks of the transom area. The addition of he two seats and the elimination of the snake pit is nice.
Kelly
zpeed7 posted 05-19-2002 05:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for zpeed7  Send Email to zpeed7     
Congratulations Ray. The boat looks great. What I can't believe is that you actually owned a Magnum 35 Sportfisherman!!! That's one of my dream boats. Would like to hear more about it some other time.
But back to the Whaler. Like the others, I noticed the small front cleat. Would it have'd cost B/W that much more to put a classic norman pin over there. An there's no excuse for the lack of rear cleats. Apart from that it looks great. If B/W could strech and widen it a bit, make a deeper v hull, they would a have a much better looking boat than any of the new Outrages.

Later,
Zpeed7

Matthew posted 05-19-2002 05:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Matthew  Send Email to Matthew     
Ray,
Your boat looks great and I appreciated the article as well
Do you have any pictures of your Pate tank installation? My new Montauk is being fitted this week.
Thanks for the factory canvas tip and the need for stern cleats. I had the dealer add smaller cleats under the rear of the side rails.
Matt
tabasco posted 05-21-2002 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Matthew-
I am installing my Pate 27 gallon tank this weekend. I will send pictures of the installation to Jimh and he said he would add the photos to the Cetacea page 58. I also recieved my console cover & RPS cover from mills yesterday .I will include photos of them as well.

I would be helpful if we had some nice warm weather in the Northeast ;-)

jimh posted 05-21-2002 09:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Please use the thread linked to the CETACEA page for follow up comments. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000107.html

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